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The purpose of this board is to promote Marxist ideas, educate, share resources, and engage in productive discussion. New flag and thread requests can be made here.

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What is socialism?


State Capitalism: A guide to the Soviet economy



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yeah? and where in the book Solzhenitsyn said that "Hitler did nothing wrong" or something in this manner? Looks like you haven't read it.

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UK to launch European security mission over Iran row


Iran claims it dismantled CIA spy ring, sentencing some to death


Puerto Rico: Thousands urge governor's resignation in massive protests


Israel begins demolition of Palestinian homes in east Jerusalem


Attackers beat Hong Kong autonomy protesters in subway


Powerful Explosion Hits Somalian Capital, Gunfire Reported


Kenyan Finance Minister Henry Rotich Arrested on Graft Charges

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>Kenyan Finance Minister Henry Rotich Arrested on Graft Charges

Reminds me of:

>African leaders use Chinese aid to benefit their home regions


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Boris Johnson to become UK prime minister after decisive Tory vote


Boris Johnson is on track to become British Prime Minister after winning the Conservative Party leadership vote. He will immediately have to deal with a burgeoning crisis with Iran and long-stalled Brexit negotiations.

Eritrean survives suspected racist shooting in Germany


A 26-year-old Eritrean was apparently shot from a car by a man who later died, German authorities have said. Police believe the shooting was motivated by far-right extremism.

'IMF Should Apologize for Its Failed Policies, AMLO says


Mexico’s President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador (AMLO) Tuesday strongly criticized the International Monetary Fund (IMF) because its policy "recipes" have contributed to increased insecurity and poverty in his country

UK Wants European Force to Police Persian Gulf


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Explainer: What can Mueller tell U.S. lawmakers that we do not already know?


FBI Director Wray: Russia intent on interfering with U.S. elections


Russia is determined to interfere in U.S. elections despite sanctions and other efforts to deter such actions before the next presidential election in 2020, FBI Director Christopher Wray said on Tuesday.

Auschwitz: Last survivor of the first convoy dies


Kazimierz Albin has passed away at the age of 96 in Warsaw, Poland. He entered the Auschwitz in 1940 and escaped from the death camp in 1943.

North Korea: Kim Jong Un inspects new submarine


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>Indian officials have told angry opposition lawmakers that the government had not invited Donald Trump to mediate the conflict. A day before, the US president had made the offer, saying: "I would love to be a mediator."


Trump becomes more senile by the day.


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Jason Unruhe is ANTI DEGENERACY GANG now



He's a disgrace.


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Socialism is anti indigenous. Marxists are #CANCELLED now.



do they actually want to reverse centuries of history, or is this just a bargaining position ?



Tbh, sometimes I don't even know if these people are serious.

But I think they do actually want to reverse history. It's ethnonationalism but woke.

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>muh gorillions

That thread degenerated pretty fast.


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This is interesting stuff. I think this address was written, or at least co-written, by Marx. It describes the political situation following the revolutions of 1848. The early communist movement fought alongside bourgeois elements but ultimately was defeated and repressed. The address contains lessons learned from the experiences from that period. Marx went to London nine months before he gave this address and remained there, in exile, the rest of his life.

Address of the Central Committee to the Communist League

London, March 1850

While the democratic petty bourgeois want to bring the revolution to an end as quickly as possible, achieving at most the aims already mentioned, it is our interest and our task to make the revolution permanent until all the more or less propertied classes have been driven from their ruling positions, until the proletariat has conquered state power and until the association of the proletarians has progressed sufficiently far – not only in one country but in all the leading countries of the world – that competition between the proletarians of these countries ceases and at least the decisive forces of production are concentrated in the hands of the workers. Our concern cannot simply be to modify private property, but to abolish it, not to hush up class antagonisms but to abolish classes, not to improve the existing society but to found a new one.



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How is /marxism/ a safe for work board If marxist ideologies destroy peoples jobs?



Is joke btw.

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UK pro-EU campaigners hold 'No to Boris' march in London


Anti-Brexit campaigners have marched through central London in a show of opposition to Britain's exit from the EU. Among the attractions was a giant balloon effigy of Britain's likely next prime minister, Boris Johnson.

UK calls seizure of ship a 'hostile act'; Iran releases video of capture


Britain denounced the Iranian seizure of a British-flagged oil tanker in the Gulf as a “hostile act” on Saturday, rejecting Tehran’s explanation that it had seized the vessel because it had been involved in an accident.

Saudi-led alliance launches airstrikes on Yemen's rebel capital


Rebel military camps belonging to the Iran-backed Houthi rebels have been targeted by an aerial bombardment. The operation follows last week's attempts by the United Nations to restart stalled peace talks.

China gas factory blast kills at least 12


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>Protesters against German neo-Nazi rally gather in Kassel

So I don't follow the news in Europe that much, but apparently these protests were a result of this:

<Walter Lübcke, a supporter of Chancellor Merkel's open refugee policy, was shot in the head at his home near the city of Kassel on June 2.

Damn. It should've been obvious that these policies would cause pushback, though. The issue of mass migration is (unfortunately) one of the big reasons why Trump became popular.

also, dw.com apparently has resources for learning German. nice.



agreed. open borders is idiotic policy. But they shouldn't kill him tho.


i guess what surprises me is just how short-sighted most of the ruling class appears to have become. if you actually talk with bourgs they appear totally isolated from the reality that working people face. i was talking to a woman about the high cost of living in the U.S. and she said, "tell me about it! it's super-expensive to hire a maid there!" it reminds me of an article written by some millenial girl giving money advice. her experience in getting rich consisted of inheriting a condo from her aunt, renting it out, then using the profits to buy more condos.

these people are just begging for another French Revolution.

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Wage Labour and Capital

Author: Karl Marx



According to the introduction by Friedrich Engels, Marx's friend and collaborator, Wage Labour and Capital was based on a series of lectures given by Marx in late 1847 during Marx's exile in Brussels. These were later edited into a series of articles first published in 1849. The series was never finished, ostensibly due to the political turmoil happening during that time. Engels later re-published these articles under their present title, editing the text to accommodate the development of Marx's theories between 1849 and his death.

At the time in which Marx gave the original lectures, Marx was attempting to win over the existing Communist movement to his idea of a scientific doctrine of communism, engaging in heated arguments with communist leaders such as Wilhelm Weitling. The Communist Manifesto, written by Marx and Engels, would be published only a few months later in 1848. That spring, the revolutions of 1848 exploded across Europe and Marx was expelled from Belgium and returned to Germany. Marx published the articles in April 1849 while in Germany. He was ordered to leave Germany again, returning first to Paris, and finally settled in London.

Marx's study of political economy had not yet been completed when he first published the materials comprising Wage Labour and Capital. This would largely be completed during his next ten years while living in London. Although this work remains unfinished, it touches on a number of important themes that Marx would discuss in his later works. Wage Labour and Capital is an excellent introduction to Marx's ideas about capitalism.

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OP here.

I plan to do a reading thread once a week. I chose this text because of the thread on leftypol but next week I'd like to choose something much different. Maybe a selection of readings on Owen's idea of socialism. These reading threads are made with an aim to introduce texts, provide summary notes, and offer some commentary. People are free to disagree with my comments and/or summary. The main goal is to spur interest in the texts and hopefully stimulate some discussion.



Reading this text one can find connections with numerous other writings by Marx. First, the Communist Manifesto picks up where Marx ended when he first delivered the original lectures. In this text Marx makes a quick comment about "the material basis of struggles between classes and nations." But Marx doesn't develop these tendencies beyond capitalism, he only describes them in their immediate form. Then he touches on the tendency of capital to increase inequality, eliminate the middle classes, and bring about revolutions in production and social relations. These themes become the main topic of the Manifesto. The end result of these economic and historical processes is, of course, communism. But, the manifesto, perhaps reflecting Marx's activity at the time, focuses more on the political aspect of the revolution. It's also no surprise that, with revolutions occurring all over Europe in 1848, Marx and Engels took the time to place a political programme within the Manifesto that undoubtedly would have suited those particular times and could have been adapted by a successful revolutionary movement.

Unlike the manifesto, this text is much more similar to Capital in its focus on economic and social structures rather than battles between classes. (If you haven't read Capital you may be disappointed to learn it's not a manual for revolution or communism.) Unlike Capital, Marx's arguments in the present text are more introductory in nature. It also does not present the final end of capitalism as it transforms into communism. But, if you've read Wage Labour and Capital it isn't hard to see what direction this change will take.

I'll quote an important passage from Marx's Capital below:

Along with the constantly diminishing number of the magnates of capital, who usurp and monopolise all advantages of this process of transformation, grows the mass of misery, oppression, slavery, degradation, exploitation; but with this too grows the revolt of the working class, a class always increasing in numbers, and disciplined, united, organised by the very mechanism of the process of capitalist production itsPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Do Lenin as Philosopher if you want to trigger /leftypol/ and show some love to the less memeable leftcom.


bump. next update in 2 days i guess.


finishing up writing a summary. will upload later.

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The Greek communist party is also anti-immigration. They were discussed on the recent Europa Report podcast.



>Why? You make excuses for lumpenproles because they're brown?

Because it's anti-worker and only reinforces divisions between working people. At best, a capitalist-dominated government is just going to use anti-immigration rhetoric to divide the working class while setting up a tiered system in which some workers have zero legal rights and get super-exploited. By extension, other working people will find themselves in a more precarious position since there is always someone in worse conditions waiting to take their job.

>My question is why many of you support importing ethnocentric rivals who would view you as 2nd-class citizens if they were in power.

Again, opinions on this issue are largely decided along class lines. Many Marxist organizations in developed countries are led by middle class people or those working in academia. It's easy for them to support open borders because they don't have to compete against foreign workers in the market. But the entire question is kind of moot for a Marxist since borders are seen as an anachronism and whatever future society we might create won't have modern borders anyway.

>I doubt it's the majority opinion though.

It's extremely prevalent.

>Hugo Chavez had support for making anti-white and anti-"yankee" comments in his speeches.

I don't remember hearing Chavez make anti-white comments. His comments about yanquis were just anti-American rhetoric and, as far as I know, isn't really a racial thing.

I've been side-stepping the race question to talk about borders and immigration. But I'll give my view on race.

1. Even if significant racial differences exist it wouldn't change my view on the class issue. The class issue is what dominates everyone's immediate material interests. History moves according to those interests. Capitalists are going to use whichever labor is cheapest, whether it means importing African slaves, Jewish factory workers, or Mexican farm laborers. They may not like these people but they'll use whatePost too long. Click here to view the full text.



>At best, a capitalist-dominated government is just going to use anti-immigration rhetoric to divide the working class while setting up a tiered system in which some workers have zero legal rights and get super-exploited.

Most of the biggest corporations like Google, Twitter, etc. support mass-immigration and oppose border controls and ICE camps. The leaders of these corporations are liberal xenophiles, and self-hating whites; in addition to having the profit motive to decrease the value of labor.

Even traditional GOP donors like the Koch Brothers oppose immigration restriction, and have voiced anti-Trump opinions. Trump is actually an anomaly in the GOP, because he saw the nationalist opposition to mass-immigration and ran in support of it. Most of his opponents opposed him, such as Jeb Bush, who is married to a goblina midget. Trump has very much neglected his nationalist policies after winning the election; but a large portion of the opposition comes from xenophilic Democrats in Congress. Many Democrat Congressmen themselves are Hispanic, and members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, so they have an ethnocentric interest in subverting the white majority.

This is why a deny the Marxist left's ability to erase ethnocentrism. Ethnocentrism is very monolithic and widespread among nonwhite communities; and a minority of a minority (white Marxists) won't be able to change their mind.



>This is why a deny the Marxist left's ability to erase ethnocentrism. Ethnocentrism is very monolithic and widespread among nonwhite communities; and a minority of a minority (white Marxists) won't be able to change their mind.

And yet, even if I accept what you say is true - that non-whites are more ethnocentric than whites - this hasn't stopped capitalism from functioning. So why couldn't a socialist society work despite having different racial / ethnic groups?

But I also disagree with the idea that whites are less ethnocentric by nature than other groups. White Americans in particular are less likely, in statistical terms, to marry outside their race than non-white Americans.



>Most of the biggest corporations like Google, Twitter, etc. support mass-immigration and oppose border controls and ICE camps. The leaders of these corporations are liberal xenophiles, and self-hating whites

You forget that they are majority jewish.

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Britain says Iran seizes two oil tankers in Gulf, Iran says captured one


Britain said Iran seized two oil tankers in the Gulf on Friday and told Tehran to return the vessels or face consequences in the latest confrontation to ratchet up tension along a vital international oil shipping route.

Kosovo PM Haradinaj resigns after court summons on suspicion of war crimes


Kosovo prime minister and former guerilla commander Ramush Haradinaj gave up his post after being summoned as a war crimes suspect before a special court. He has already been acquitted twice before in The Hague.

Russian suspect in tainted oil scandal seeks asylum in Lithuania


After huge amounts of Russian crude oil were found to be tainted, Russian authorities detained several suspects over the scandal. Roman Ruzhechko, the man charged with the alleged conspiracy, sought refuge in Lithuania.

Bulgaria makes biggest military acquisition since fall of communism

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>Wall Street falls as Fed signals smaller rate cut

Stocks and asset prices in the U.S. (and also many other countries) have been inflated by years of low interest rates. They've kept them at historic lows for 10 years, and we're already due for a recession. In many ways, the "normal" economy has been pretty bad in the U.S. since 2008, but stocks and asset prices have rebounded due to government policy.

I am betting we'll have another major recession by the end of the year, although it may not be obvious what's happening until 2020.


Hugbox filled with intellectual and phsyical cowards? Yeah this is /leftypol/.



What news article are you referring to my dear friend



No, this is Patrick



lol k.

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I have seen this thread /leftypol/ and I find it useful, so I am posting it here.

Post here your tricks, tips and tactis when you are discussing with normies or reactionaries.

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>people aren't going to be convinced by tossing stats at them.

Except that I have converted 3 people to date from being hardcore jew-hating nazis into Marxist-Leninist socialists through sheer statistics and arguments based solely on the USSR.

>in a situation where you have a limited amount of time and effort they are practically exclusive things to discuss with people

Depends on the context and situation. If we're talking workers rights and individual issues, sure. If we're talking over-all socio-economics then that entails a whole lot more. People aren't just going to believe tha socialism improves wages and labour hours just because of some theory, frankly most proles prefer IRL examples.

>Marx was just like a liberal because he didn't sketch out an actual complete functioning economy before analyzing

False equivalency. Marx was setting a new bar using dialectical materialism and was analyzing and predicting. This influenced ostracized petty-bourgs like Lenin to apply this practically which they did with things like the third international.

>not a blueprint for a future society.

That's exactly what it is however. Marx's predictions are amended because his very predictions changed the course of history because people began to actively struggle to prevent or cause said predictions. This resulted in things changing and required theoretical adaptation such as Lenin's works. As things changed again we've needed to adapt theory again and again (Stalin's Problems of Socialism in the USSR and later Cockshott's works on Cybernetics and socialism). These changes are based on IRL results that have been observed.

>it is far more important to get people to see themselves in a class war and taking action in it as proletarians

Maybe however

>agree(ing) with some idea of a hypothetical society

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>Capitalism is efficient

Efficient at what? The economy should be efficient at allocating resources to meet needs, but capitalism is extremely inefficient at that, and immensely wasteful. Capitalism is efficient at generating profit, which is to say, allowing owners to skim wealth off the top of the production process. It's efficient at de facto embezzlement, which in itself makes it less efficient at allocating resources, since it's diverting as much as possible to those embezzling owners. It's even worse than that, though, because those people are also in charge of directing production, and the more they produce, the more they can embezzle. So they sacrifice the quality of the goods they produce, make them disposable. That way you have to keep buying more. Instead of allocating only the resources needed to make necessary goods, we allocate orders of magnitude more, so we can constantly produce things and the capitalist class can constantly embezzle.


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Internal contradictions of capitalism. The need for perpetual growth in spite of finite resources. The instability inherent to the anarchy of production. These people are already in favor of economic planning to a degree. Show them that it's always preferable (whether it's top-down or bottom-up, planning is always better).

Better yet, explain to them that the economy is always planned, it's just that under capitalism we're all planning it in competition with incomplete information instead of cooperating to meet needs efficiently.

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'Send her back' chant at Trump rally catches Republicans off guard


Chants of “send her back” by supporters of President Donald Trump, attacking Somali-born U.S. Representative Ilhan Omar, triggered a wave of concern among congressional Republicans on Thursday, while Omar said Trump was “spewing fascist ideology.”

Iran seizes foreign oil tanker: state TV


Iran's Revolutionary Guard told state TV the foreign tanker was smuggling fuel through the Persian Gulf. Recent incidents involving vessels in the region have led to escalating tensions between Tehran and the West.

Trump says U.S. ship destroyed Iranian drone in Strait of Hormuz


President Donald Trump said the USS Boxer destroyed an Iranian drone in the Strait of Hormuz on Thursday after the aircraft threatened the ship by flying to within 1,000 yards of it.

German-Russian relations lauded at bilateral Petersburg Dialogue

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>US, Mexico Deported 54,000 Guatemalans from January to June

Mexico always had a really tough attitude against immigrants from Central America. For that reason alone I was pretty surprised that these big migrant caravans were being allowed to pass through Mexico to the U.S. Plenty of people in Mexico made fun of the refugees, especially "Lady Frijoles".



Yeah not a single person in my family really cares about immigrants, I don't know if it's a third world thing but everyone I know is pretty indifferent about politics unless it directly affects them (and even then my family is pretty uninformed), they didn't rally to kick them out but they also didn't show sympathy for them, just didn't care.

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Ebola: WHO declares international emergency over Congo outbreak


The UN's public health agency has warned that the possibility of the outbreak spreading across the region "remains very high." Health organizations have struggled to contain the outbreak in the conflict-stricken country.

The UN's World Health Organization on Wednesday declared the Ebola outbreak in the Democratic Republic of Congo a "public health emergency of international concern."

"It is a measure that recognizes the possible increased national and regional risks and the need for intensified and coordinated action to manage them," said the WHO in a statement.

Turkish diplomat killed in restaurant shooting in Iraqi Kurdistan


At least two people, including a Turkish diplomat, were killed in a shooting Wednesday at a restaurant in the Iraqi Kurdish capital Erbil in a rare attack in the semi-autonomous region that could raise tensions and Turkish ire.

The Asayish, the Kurdish security and intelligence organisation operating in Iraqi Kurdistan, confirmed the deaths of a Turkish diplomat and a civilian Wednesday. Another civilian was injured, said the statement, which was posted on Twitter.

Kurdish security officials promised a “full investigation” into the attack.

Iran's Zarif says US diplomatic restrictions 'inhuman'

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>Created in secret by universities and tech companies, the photo data sets have been mined for the R&D of facial recognition and biometric technologies that are now used ubiquitously by police and state intelligence agencies around the world.

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Salvini says he flagged ‘Ukrainian group’s death threat,’ leading to neo-Nazi missile bust


Italy’s Deputy PM Matteo Salvini has said that an investigation into a “Ukrainian group’s” plot to kill him was what led to a major seizure of weapons, including an air-to-air missile and neo-Nazi memorabilia, by police this week.

Speaking in Genoa, Salvini told media that Italian secret services had alerted him to a Ukrainian group planning an attempt on his life and that he “flagged it up” with the police. “It was one of several death threats against me that arrive every day,” Italy’s ANSA news agency quoted him as saying. He said he was happy the threat had “served to uncover the arsenal of some madmen.”

Italian police said on Monday that a cache of weapons, including a French-made air-to-air missile, had been seized from a neo-Nazi gang operating in northern Italy. The police statement originally said the group had fought against Donbass separatists in Ukraine’s eastern breakaway region. The statement was later amended, however, to say that the extremists in question had “taken part in the armed conflict” in Ukraine, without specifying a side.

Israeli Sniper Shoots 10-Year-Old Palestinian Boy in the Head During Protest in West Bank


A 10-year-old Palestinian child is struggling to live after an Israeli sniper shot him Friday in Kafr Qaddem, a village in West Bank.

Abdul Rahman Yasser Shteiwi was shot in the head during an anti-settlement protest in his village. He was shot by a live bullet according to doctors who operated on him.

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jesus, they're still fighting in Libya?



yeah since america freed it in 2012

still no peace

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Man dies as police shootout follows firebomb attack on immigration centre


A 69-year-old man armed with a rifle threw incendiary devices at an immigration jail in Washington state early on Saturday morning, then was found dead after four police officers arrived and opened fire, authorities said.

A friend of the dead man said she thought he wanted to provoke a fatal conflict, the Seattle Times reported, and described him as an anarchist and anti-fascist.

US announces stricter asylum regulations


The new regulation forbids refugees from claiming asylum in the US if they have traveled through a third country. Officials called it an 'interim rule' until Congress passes stricter laws.

The administration of President Donald Trump announced a new rule on Monday that would severely limit the ability to claim asylum in the United States. The regulation, set to go into effect on Tuesday, would bar anyone from filing an asylum application if they passed through a third country on their way to the US.

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It's not white leftists that are driving mass migration - it's porky.



Tons of nonwhite leftists do though. Also tons of anakiddie and even tankie (inb4 muh not true communism) whites support mass-immigration and get severely triggered by ICE/refugee camps, etc.

I'm not discounting corporations or CEOs either. However it's importing to not that they are not monolithicly-aligned with right-wing parties. The Koch Brothers, for example, openly oppose Trump's immigration restrictions.

I've yet to see any relevant Marxist opposition to immigration in the West that isn't couched in progressive lingo like "we should give donations to their home countries instead, etc.".



What I meant is that the support that white liberals give to mass immigration is just virtue-signalling and has no material effect.

The real material cause of mass immigration is the need for porky to continually expand the labor-force, expand consumer markets, expand debt, and swamp the market with so much labor that workers can't properly organize. The old left was pretty hardcore about opposing the use of migrant labor to do things like break strikes and drive down wages. Preventing the use of migrant labor as strike-breakers was one of the main aims of the International Workingmen's Association. In an interview with the New York World, Marx said:

>Formerly, when a strike took place in one country, it was defeated by the importation of workmen from another. The International has nearly stopped all that. It receives information of the intended strike, it spreads that information among its members, who at once see that for them the seat of the struggle must be forbidden ground.





>I've yet to see any relevant Marxist opposition to immigration in the West that isn't couched in progressive lingo like "we should give donations to their home countries instead, etc.".

Interest-free loans to developing countries would be a good policy, especially if given for energy, infrastructuPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



>What is white leftists' 5D chess plan in demographically-replacing yourselves?

white "leftists" in Murica and western yurup are mostly hipsters and pseuds. The Left is practically non existant in the West at this point. Every good leftist movement gets flooded by radlibs to neutralize them.

>Do you think you can convince a nonwhite majority to not be ethnocentric? How do you plan to enforce racial neutrality?

What do you mean by "racial neutrality"?

But yeah, many on the left don't have any plans.

But I think we can convince them with "class reductionism", I think economical interests are stringer than national ones.

(also remember that "Black panthers" were also "class reductionists")


>I've yet to see any relevant Marxist opposition to immigration in the West that isn't couched in progressive lingo like "we should give donations to their home countries instead, etc.".

What is bad on giving them donations?



Western "leftists" are disorganized and mostly unconnected to working people, who are equally disorganized and lack any real political power. It's easy if you're some random radical on Twitter or a mod on Reddit/leftypol to adopt a purist, maximalist position on immigration, borders, identity, revolution, etc. because you suffer no material consequences for arguing this way, and get to feel morally superior by attacking and censoring those who disagree.

The handful of "leftists" who do have some semblance of power are embedded in capitalist firms or supporting institutions, also won't suffer the consequences of their positions, and are also disconnected from working people. They're worthless, but not representative of the "left".

The entire question of socialist immigration policy (like a lot of other questions, tbh) is somewhat irrelevant in the absence of an organized working class that is capable of directly wielding political power. Then debating positions would be important and you'd hopefully see more nuanced, humane positions get taken by socialist thinkers and activists. But since right now no one has any power to put those ideas in practice, those sane voices are drowned out by moralizing and radical absolutist posturing.

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