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 No.13968[Reply]

Post the last book(s) you have read. It would be nice if you add a synopsis or review as well, but it's not a requirement. Just seeing a snapshot of what other image-board anons are reading is itself awesome.

New feature for 2018! This thread is set to Cycle mode. Here's to a forever book reading thread.

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 No.15988

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Savage Children is a political allegory transposing two rival gangs of children as Reds/Republicans and Blues/Democrats.

Protagonist, Bee, is caught between the two and tries to use each side to further her own goal of bringing down a predator, one who embodies the exploitation of child labor and lives in a glistening steel and glass corporate office (might be a metaphor for Apple or Amazon)

As a non-American this was a more entertaining introduction to the American political system and a pure capitalist economy.




 No.15832[Reply]

Book clubs never work!

Why this is going to work

I'm seen book clubs started on different boards and they always fail, which is why I created a reading club instead. No one wants to read a whole book of questionable interest every week, and no one can blame anons for not wanting to. My solution for this is to focus on short stories and novellas, so that plenty of anons have the time and will to finish.

You need more material to talk about than that

Thats a valid point and will be taken into consideration. If it proves to be true my plan is to include multiple shorts by the same author, so that we can discus him as well. This will allow anons who don't want to read a whole novel to participate, while still allowing a depth of conversation.

==The White People== =

by Arthur Mache

E. F. Bleiler wrote that the narrative in the Green Book "is probably the finest single supernatural story of the century, perhaps in the literature", and Michael Dirda has stated: "If I were to list the greatest supernatural short stories of all time, I would start with Arthur Machen’s 'The White People,' about a young girl’s unknowing initiation into an ancient, otherworldly cult." S. T. Joshi has called the diary "a masterpiece of indirection, a Lovecraft plot told by James Joyce", and H. P. Lovecraft himself wrote that "Machen's narrative, a triumph of skilful selectiveness and restraint, accumulates enormous power as it flows on in a stream of innocent childish prattle". I copied this off of Wikipedia, since I don't want to give away to much. I'm going to read it again before I write what I think.

RULES

Use spoilers if what you say requires them.

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 No.15924

>>15832

thanks anon! ill probably finish by tomorrow or so. my problem with book clubs is that i never have the money to buy each and every book and theres no library nearby




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 No.908[Reply]

Greetings fellow /lit/erati!

Here are the rules:

1. Follow the Global Rules.

2. Try to keep things literature related.

3. No spamming.

4. No illegal content.

Guidelines and FAQ: https://8ch.net/lit/oddsandends.html

That is all.

Let your minds and fingers roam free!

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 No.14946[Reply]

How do we make this board more active? I want a place to talk about literature without having to go to the pretensions website that is reddit, or go on half/lit/ where it's full of Jordan Peterson threads.

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 No.15819

>>15818

>I wrote one awhile ago, so I can say this without being hypocritical. In a month, after I read more, I plan on actually working on my writing skills, so that I'm not just a consumer.

Are you the faggot with the 30K+ word fanfiction of some 90s hentai?


 No.15820

>>15819

It was about a guy who woke up with a head injury, so no thats not me.


 No.15904

Is anyone else sick of looking at threads opened with a wojak edit picture?


 No.15909

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>>15904

They weren't all that interesting to begin with but what can one do? Them's western imgageboard culture, such as it is. Personally, I'd rather see more work-safe sexy, or anime, or work-safe sexy anime images. Even where they have nothing to do with the topic in question.

Maybe we need a Belle elf cosplay thread?


 No.16012

>>15909

>They weren't all that interesting to begin with but what can one do? Them's western imgageboard culture, such as it is.

No, it's halfchan garbage.




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 No.12243[Reply]

I've been reading a lot of Chretien de Troyes lately, and decided to check out what literature was like on the other side of medieval Christendom, namely the Byzantine Empire. What do you guys recommend? Something from around the same time as de Troyes would be nice, but honestly I'll read anything.

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 No.12419

>>12418

A lot of Byzantine literature falls into a few categories, one that I remember is histories. Those fuckers loved to write histories. From wikipedia, the categories:

1. Histori(es/ans) and annal(ist)s

2. Encyclopedias and essays

3.Secular Poetry

3.1. Epigram

3.2. Panegyrics

3.3. Satires

3.4. Didactics

3.5. Begging Poem

3.6. Romance Novel

4. Ecclesiastical and theological literature

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_literature

Sage for double post.


 No.12422

>>12243

sorry to show my ignorance but this is the only byzantine"literature" i know of

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpus_Juris_Civilis

does this count?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Consolation_of_Philosophy


 No.12495

>>12418

Yeah, I knew about those. I was just wondering if there was some other more obscure stuff that Google and Wikipedia didn't mention.

>>12419

>Romance Novel

It's strange that they wrote so few novels. I wonder if there were more and they just got destroyed when the Turks took over. I've heard that they had a habit of destroying any non-Muslim literature that wasn't purely scholarly when they conquered civilizations.

>>12422

I'll check these out, thanks.


 No.12533

Read the Alexiad.

It's fucking good.

It is an epic about the accomplishments of Alexios Komnenos.

Nice both for the historic and literally value imho.


 No.16007

g




 No.15989[Reply]

My dear anons… How about the book that you just couldn't possibly finish reading, not because it was bad per se, but due to sheer disgust. I want malevolent, disturbing, truly unruly books. If it shook you, share it

PS: on another irrelevant but still interesting genre, what was the realest book you read? Something like Bukowski or John Fante, some authors that exposed their guts without embelishing their opinions.

 No.16005

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Recently read. Did finish.

A harrowing series of notes about the downward progression of his health, along with his growing realization of his own prospects, and his attempts to face it. A story from a time before the germ theory of disease, before antibiotics, before any form of meaningful chemotherapy, or effective treatment of any kind. While not exactly rich, Daudet was wealthy enough to afford what could be had–chiefly quackery, and narcotics. Plus the occasional visit to an honest doctor who would point out, quite simply, his disease was going to kill him in due course through unbearably painful insanity.

“Pain, you must be everything for me. Let me find in you all those foreign lands you will not let me visit. Be my philosophy, be my science.”




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 No.13178[Reply]

Hello /lit/.

I am not a very well read man, i've barely read a couple of books; so you could say I'm very ignorant. I'm smart in that I can pick up on things easily but that's about it.

I'm 20something and I feel "insufficient" in the intellectual department. I know I should have read stuff like Plato, kant, Smith, heidegger and shit like that by now, but the problem is that I don't know where to begin.

How do I gain the philosophical foundation and 20th-21st century knowledge I need to be an above-average wise man who has a better understanding of the world around him? Which books and in what order should I read them? How can I stick to a reading plan that doesn't disrupt vydia+work time too much and is considered consistent and effective?

Which magazines or sites you read to stay up to date with geopolitics in a way beyond basic bitch pundit opinions? what should I read to understand Oil markets and gay jewish banker witchcraft?

Don't recomend me any fiction gay stuff, I'm not interested in reading some fantasy about the world through the eyes of some bleeding heart drunkard, I want more real stuff so that I can debate politics and philosophy like a real sexual tyrannosaurus. I'm currently reading crime and punishment but I find the descriptions of flowers on wallpaper and strange textile elements to be droll.

I've been memed into reading the following at some point in my life:

>The Ego and Its own

>Mein Kampf

>Harry potter 1,2 &3

>A bunch of Short Stories by Borges

>Promethus Rising

Other than that and a couple of mangas and Comics, that's pretty much it, as you can see i'm in a terrible position.

Thanks for your help.

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 No.13287

>>13204

What I meant was "go read them then", by which I also meant "if you know you should have read those but didn't, why dont you go read them now?"


 No.13338

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>>13178

I won't comment on what you should read, as I think many in this thread have given excellent suggestions. But I will say that one of the best ways to get yourself to read a lot is not to read for a certain amount of time, but for a certain amount of pages. When I first began reading I made it a point to read at least 50 pages a day total. I would be reading several books at once, but it didn't matter if I read 1 page out of 50 books or 50 pages out of 1 book. The dent you've made in your overall reading will be the same. Say you want to read "History of Western Philosophy" by Bertrand Russel as >>13184 suggested. "Just under a thousand pages?" you'll say. "That's an enormous amount for an aspiring reader like me." But if you break it down into 50 page blocks, you'll realize you can read that over the course of 20 days. Sure, a few snobby anons on this board will comment about how they could finish that book in 10 minutes and blah blah blah who cares. However, put it into perspective and you'll realize that covering the entire history of western philosophy in 20 days is really quite an achievement.

A final word on the subject: the most important thing is to just start reading. Unlike many anons on this board, I really think that most sorts of reading are good, including low-tier fantasy. This is because I believe training the imagination and creative powers are also important to developing intelligence. So get out there and read champ, we're all cheering for you.


 No.13353

>>13211

>Preferred translation for Homer is Pope

>Pope

Don't read Pope if you want to read Homer. Read Lattimore's translations. Pope is a farcry from the original.


 No.15992

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 No.16004

>>13184

Sorry, I would prefer to read the original sources first. No matter how much this "Bertrand Russel" tries to be, no one is truly objective. I want the smallest amount of people possible between me and the original thinker/s as possible.




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 No.16003[Reply]

Get redpilled



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 No.15999[Reply]

Looking for a 1700s classical book of a stranded englishman teaching a native black things

A classical book

Some of the natives thought he was a wizard

On some island

 No.16000

Book request




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 No.15998[Reply]

whats the best place to start with Francis Fukuyama?



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 No.13503[Reply]

Is he a hack? I've heard people say he steals ideas and overwrites. Plus he acts like a virtue signalling faggot on twitter.

How does his literature compare to others? Do they hold up on their own or is his writing an extension of post-modernism, hence it's (((popularity)))?

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 No.14572

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Something something something, tweenage sewer orgy.


 No.14597

His ideas for stories are pretty good, but his books are trash. I think he's the only writer who consistently has screen adaptations made that are better than the book they're based on


 No.14603

He has a couple I like:

The Gunslinger (Dark Tower through book 3-4 is alright)

The Stand

Salem's Lot

Firestarter

Cycle of the Werewolf, but it's not really a standard novella

>>13555

IIRC, The Gunslinger started out as short stories that he ended up joining together into a novel. The second book came out like a decade after the first short story was published, so he probably didn't envision it as a series to begin with.

>>13999

I actually like the magic because it amplifies the Good vs. Evil aspect and isn't widespread. The Stand's main issue is that it suffers from serious bloat, mostly because there are more characters than King knows what to do with.


 No.15981

>>14603 No, the first Gunslinger was touted right from the start to be an epic continuing series. I vaguely remember from the first edition introduction that his inspiration was The Good the Bad and the Ugly, and he wanted to create his own magnum opus.


 No.15997

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>>14572

Your post is the most reddit thing I've seen in weeks.




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 No.7557[Reply]

Pinecone Issue 00000:

NotPynchon & He Rapes His Sister Phoebe compiled as interviews.

>What is this?

Pinecone Magazine is the /lit/ magazine that publishes when there is actual content worth anyone's time.

>How can I submit?

There are two ways to submit. AtticusPinecone@gmail or you can use the submissions form on the website.

>What's accepted?

Solid gold unpublished poetry, prose, erotica, letters, literary analysis, anything intelligent or funny. You won't be reading any shit, don't worry. If only 2 things worth reading is submitted, 2 things will be in the issue.

>Is this the first literary journal from /lit/?

There was The April Reader & there is Ideology. But this is already head & shoulders above them.

>These things always fail.

Have a look first. For what it's worth, this first issue is good & it's nice looking. That might be b/c there is no poetry/prose & b/c I have actual magazine experience. 00000 is just NotPynchon & The Catch Her analysis, and both are very interesting.

Here it is:

http://atticuspinecone.wix.com/pinecone

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 No.12152

What happened?

All I see now at the website is blank whiteness.


 No.12166

put my furry yiff in the next issue tbh


 No.12167

>>12166

*put my yiff in the next issue tbh

cutting out extraneous words


 No.13340

>>12152

That's just the emptiness of your own soul


 No.15996

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 No.12076[Reply]

Is there a torrent or a online repository that has all of lit's recommended books? I found their Japanese download but that's about it. Been posting this around the chans for awhile and haven't gotten a response.

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 No.12141

>>12139

Yes, but there more preserved* in reality than in data.

*Besides fires, of course


 No.12142

>>12141

*they are


 No.12144

>>12141

Yes, that, only the precise opposite, for obvious reasons regarding what information is (noting "reality" and "data" as being false distinctions) and in how it may most simply be distributed.


 No.12145

>>12141

>>12144

Alternatively: I can assure you that M-Discs are cheaper per megabyte than ink on parchment.


 No.15995

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 No.12747[Reply]

The Captain underpants movie coming out lately has got me thinking.

If someone like say, Netflix, ever did another adaptation of the classic Wayside School books, one where Louis Sachar actually had input(like he did with Holes), which art style would be most aesthetically pleasing to use?

http://www.strawpoll.me/13003227

 No.12761

>>12747

this is the first time i hear about this, sorry.


 No.12764

I never really read those books as a kid, even though I had 3 different ones. I don't know if I still have them or if I donated them to the library.


 No.12766

>>12747

i'd prefer the 1978 version, just cause its the version i read, not because it's more visually appealing or whatever


 No.15994

+




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 No.13225[Reply]

I just got an idea to overcome writing block, especially for the times when you got a vision or a detailed plan but don't know how to put it to paper because you just cannot find a good start. I've never heard this idea before but I cannot imagine I'm the first one to come up with something like that, but anyway, here I go:

>Write down scenes in your head in a somewhat chronological order

>Number them

>Throw a dice or use a random number generator to determine what scene to write

>Repeat until a good part of the novel is standing, then fill in the blanks

It's simple, it might turn out to be a shitty idea, but I'll give it a try. I'll let you know how it goes.

 No.13238

Why not forgo the numbering and just write the scenes you feel like writing? Eventually you'll have enough material to make it easy to write the scenes you don't really feel like writing. You might even find that many scenes weren't really that important at all for the overall story.

And if you don't feel like writing at all, why bother?


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