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 No.67719[Reply]

Welcome to /liberty/, your board for the discussion of politics, society, news, and the human condition without authoritarianism (fascism, full-on communism, etc). The board's philosophy is simple - welcome all discussion from non-authoritarian viewpoints, light moderation, and most importantly of all fun.

We've seen SJWs, we've seen the far right, and we've seen the far left and we've said no, stop this madness - the moralizing authoritarians who seek to control society and shape it to their whims and test out their vague theories would enslave us just to feel that society was better. At /liberty/ we believe we would be best served by sticking to the path we've been on for so long, that of personal liberty.

WELCOME

See the image - if you make the cut, you'll be right at home on /liberty/. Even if you are an authoritarian (far left or far right), you're welcome to join us - just don't expect to be taken seriously.

Rules

1. Global Rules uber alles.

2. Spamming can result in a short ban. In the event of raids, discussion threads will be stickied to weather the storm.

3. Rules are lame, don't make me make more and don't whine for more moderation unless it is absolutely necessary.

4. This board has an actual topic and it's not fetish porn. Content that is clearly beyond the pale of the board's topic (fetish porn, clop, gore, etc) will be removed. If you need these things, they are a mere three clicks away; you can even get there one-handed.

Board Policy Vis-a-vis…

1. "Shitposting"

There is no such thing as shitposting. It's a vague and subjective concept that boils down to "irreverent posts or things I don't like," and therefore makes a bad yardstick for moderation. If you want discussion without fun, may I suggest another board?

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 No.2[Reply]

Help to compile a list of resources (preferably free) about non-authoritarian political thought. If you want to see something added, make a thread to discuss adding things to this list and I'll edit it in here if it's good.

Our list so far:
Please note that inclusion on this list is not an endorsement of a work. What you do with this information is your choice.

The Online Library of Liberty
http://oll.libertyfund.org/
Find hundreds of writings, books, essays, etc. on classical liberal thought.

Mises Institute
http://mises.org/
Find dozens of free books, audiobooks, and lectures on libertarian thought from an Austrian school perspective.

The Anarchist Library
http://theanarchistlibrary.org
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Organizations of Interest
Inclusion on the list is not endorsement. Organizations are listed in no particular order.

The Fire - Foundation for Individual Rights in Education
These people are your friends - they fight for freedom! FIRE is a non-partisan individual rights advocacy group that seeks to defend freedom of speech, legal equality, due process, religious liberty, and sanctity of conscience on American college and university campuses.
Website: http://www.thefire.org/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/TheFIREorg

American Enterprise Institute
The AEI is a nonpartisan public policy research institute. Everything from American politics to international events and beyond.
Website: https://www.aei.org/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/AEIVideos

Learn Liberty
A project of the Institute for Humane Studies, a libertarian non-profit. Learn about economics, public policy, and more.
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 No.91867[Reply]

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 No.92007

>>92005

You cannot remove it without killing it. You HAVE a right to remove it, therefore if it requires to kill it to remove it, you can do it.


 No.92030

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>>92006

>when you get your knowledge of the NAP and libertarianism from memes

Society is held together by contracts, not by magic. If anyone is able to wiggle their way out of a contract by coming up with an infinite amount of reasons for why that contract is null, then contracts in your society don't mean shit, and your society will crumble and turn into something else.


 No.92040

>>92030

Sure, what does this have to do with the topic?


 No.92043

>>92030

>Society is held together by contracts, not by magic.

>Treats contracts like magic

Go strawman somewhere else.


 No.92067

Stomp around about abortion all you want, the simple fact is that people who do not abort their children have a natural evolutionary advantage against those that don't. If isn't met with moral disgust by this generation, it will be by a future one.




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 No.92048[Reply]

r8 and guess race and how conservative she is

 No.92059

Would. (Self conscious about her eyebrows, or just fashion victim?)

Don't care. (Fake tits are more of a turn off than race. Fake people too)

Probably too much to even consider going down on me.

How old?


 No.92060

>>92059

Judging by post and tripcode: 15


 No.92062

>>92060

She doesn't look 15, anon.

Seriously, how many 15 year olds would find this milf (mom?) attractive?


 No.92065

>>92062

He wasn't referring to her.


 No.92066

>>92065

I pretended that too, but he specifically says tripcode, and OPs wife ain't wearing one.




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 No.91828[Reply]

Ancaps are literally the goblins

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 No.91938

>>91894

Skyrim is for fags, this is Warhammer anime.


 No.92050

>it has rape

Literally Ancap: The Anime


 No.92055

Being a goblin violates the NAP


 No.92056

>>92055

pmt Goblins don't recognize property rights,


 No.92064

>>92056

Goblins represent the non-whites.




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 No.91911[Reply]

Freedom is the ability to do what one wills; one cannot do what one wills without power; the idea of freedom is inseparable from that of power. Freedom can only arise from the slavery of others.

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 No.91994

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>>91991

The problem with this line of reasoning, is that it implies private property ownership (I'm assuming he's a leftist piece of shit.) Say, for the sake of argument, that I own a deserted island. Any activity I conduct on that island (e.g. eating, reading, playing, sleeping) is purely based on my own free will; nobody is being harmed. If he wants to argue that I used my money or capital to "steal" that land away from the poor, that implies a right to property. How can you "seize the means of production", thereby owning it, if property rights are a spook? I know Marx and ebin spook man were at odds with one-another, but both schools of though are reductio ad absurdum.

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 No.92034

>>91994

It implies that other people's private property ownership reduces my freedom, which is just correct.


 No.92038

>>92034

Land and goods are always scarce resources, regardless of the economic system you are under. Even in a “Marxist Paradise”, some goods would still be scarce, meaning someone’s freedom would be “oppressed.” Your argument is shit.


 No.92041

>>92038

He means that ancaps do not offer him absolute and universal freedom. This leftist still ignores that any other system offers even less of it and none would make him an omnipotent god. If anything, ancoms would rob him and the only system that would offer something close is a variety of fascism, though only if he's the dictator which is not going to happen and he'd lose in the long run even if he managed to get there.

Basically, his argument is not about any organization but "you don't allow me stuff so you don't care about freedom" to which the only thing that can be said is that we care about freedom of multiple people in the most effective and convenient way and everything he posted is not a statement but a simple bait.


 No.92061

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>>91911

Or the abolition of the great unequalizers of state and capital. All laws.




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 No.74029[Reply]

Let's have a "Questions that don't deserve their own thread" thread. Basic questions about /liberty/, socialist "gotchas" masquerading as basic questions, etc.

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 No.91788

>>91749

I heard he was a cuck so no, and I couldn't care enough about him or his views to check if that's true.


 No.91952

Going to ask a Q for a change, why were housing prices constantly increasing throughout the Dot Com bubble and the 2000s? Was it the artificially high demand caused by Community Reinvestment Act, combined with near-zero interest rates?


 No.91986

Why are competent auto mechanics so rare? Is there state intrusion in this market that is causing this shortage?


 No.91987

>>91986

Partially. More people are pursuing some degree or another instead of getting cheap, practical education, and a lot of that switch can be attributed to state institutions encouraging more higher education. The other factor is a lot of new cars are so digitized, and have such a high degree of proprietary parts and/or software installed that only authorized dealerships are able to work on them, which decreases the demand for independent body shops.


 No.92058

>>91987

Forgot to say, the reason mechanics can't work on these digitized cars is that a combination of copyright and proprietary software means that it's not just impractical for them, in some cases it's illegal.




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 No.92014[Reply]

LIBERTARDS BTFO BY WORLD RENOWNED ECONOMIST NOURIEL ROUBINI

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 No.92042

>>92016

>>92021

>>92028

>The child of Iranian Jews, he was born in Turkey and grew up in Italy. After receiving a BA in political economics at Bocconi University, Milan and a doctorate in international economics at Harvard University, he became an academic at Yale and a visiting researcher/advisor at the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the Federal Reserve, World Bank, and Bank of Israel. Much of his early research focused on emerging markets. During the administration of President Bill Clinton, he was a senior economist for the Council of Economic Advisers, later moving to the United States Treasury Department as a senior adviser to Timothy Geithner, who in 2009 became Treasury Secretary.


 No.92044

>>92031

<economic consultancy firm

You'll have to redpill me on this, what's so bad about consultancy firms? Wouldn't private sector economic analysis be a little more grounded than academia or the Fed?


 No.92047

>>92044

It's like "leadership development" or "personality growth training" since he's keynsian - lots of pathos, big and shapeless statements like 'believe in yourself" or "be positive" and everything tweaked to make the client feel important and improving while offering mostly ego stroking and bluepills, all for a price. Keynsianism works well for a socialist worldview and so serves well as a cronyst bluepilling fraud scheme. In theory such firms could work but some institute or research center would be more effective as it would not require all the interpersonal interactions for the same conclusions - analysis of the market. Consultancy firms are a bit better because thуir job is more specific so they've got less space to play their games and have to do what client asks instead but this activity is of a different kind.


 No.92051

>>92047

Most of their consultancy is "spending your money on us is making you more economically literate because you'll make better decisions in the future" or investing into the sphere that has most state subsidies, either because their buisness does not require their statements to be true or because they are paid by third parties for the investors, own or are close to these companies, paid by feds for guiding money supply into the places they need or are paid for keeping the economic school alive and widespread. Or some kind of a mix of those, i dunno.


 No.92057

>libertarian decentralization

>Fascist at core!

>libertarian decentralization

>Fascist at core!

>libertarian decentralization

>Fascist at core!

ishygddt




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 No.91840[Reply]

I was a libertarian by choice once. Began in my edgy teenage years. I have now long abandoned libertarianism/ancapism in favor of traditionalism/fascism.

And I wanna tell you why, because I loved beeing a libertarian, it is fun and feels good but I had to evolve.

I realized that a libertarian society can only be established in a homogenous society. A society were everyone has the same personal agenda: Liberty . But this homogenous society can never exist in a pluralist, democratic, mutli-racial and liberal system of thought/politics as it would break away immediately because of the inner tension..

That's why the monarchies old old failed to withstand Bolshevism and that's why libertarian "states" would not withstand them either: they are much too laisez-fairez to build a completely resistant block against Bolshevism. Having a strong state with a strong army or an armed populace is not enough to withstand the red storm, you need a ready and rallied and educated people to withstand the enemy within.

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 No.91962

>>91959

>a lot of

>lolbergs

Pick one and always one.


 No.91977

>>91928

Nope, it was definitely you, and now you're back to seek attention.


 No.91980

>>91939

>the U.S was not the first serious attempt at a libertarian government

What else is there? The Icelandic Commonwealth and Gaelic Ireland weren't founded as explicitly libertarian, they just happened to end up that way. The US on the other hand was founded with liberty and self determination in mind.

>its position as the freest today is debatable to say the least.

It's not the freest economically, but it's better on speech than most of Europe and it's better on guns than just about anywhere.


 No.92025

>>91980

mmkay, I agree with the specifics there, though it's importabt to note that the two of them were far freer than 'murica once the state had established there.


 No.92054

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>>91959

A conversion story works off sympathies that exist in the speaker, but not the listener. It is the most ineffective tool you could use.

Consider a born-again-christian courting an atheist: the former sings the praises of blind faith things he's never seen, while the latter has already relieved himself of such delusions. Likewise, the fascist lauds pride in his people and worship of the state, whilst the libertarian can't help but see the stupidity of the masses and the treachery of their leaders.




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 No.91885[Reply]

>>91865

>As a result, they all like to poke fun at libertarians because, even if it's not really true, libertarians have a reputation for being "live and let live" types, and that's not nearly edgy enough so it gets shunned.

>Libertarians aren't edgy enough

Hahaha, are you fucking kidding me? Let's shitpost on the edgiest shit you have ever heard a libertarian say. Stuff like:

- Kowloon City and Somalia were ancap utopias

- A guy ignoring the lever of a trolley completely when no one is there is completely fine and dandy.

- What if the child consents?

- Autistic "not an argument" or "fallacy fallacy" community.

- Getting caught up with even the tiniest amount of bait.

And more!

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 No.91950

>>91885

>- Getting caught up with even the tiniest amount of bait.

This thread


 No.91965

>>91940

so is omnipotent state libertarian?


 No.92017

>>91895

>Teenagers are not a real age category.

>Teen

>Agers

>People whose age is in the teens

<thirTEEN

<fourTEEN

<fifTEEN

<sixTEEN

<sevenTEEN

<eighTEEN

<nineTEEN

>numbers were invented by feminists


 No.92019

>>91895

but i agree with the rest of your reply


 No.92052

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>>91895

>>92017

Females exist to be raped regardless of their age. If you don't get this, if you treat women as human, you are not a man.

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 No.92049[Reply]

> A German actress has landed herself in hot water after stripping and flashing her bum (and more) to a group of men in a carpark – unaware that the trio were actually undercover police, who then filmed her saucy little striptease.

>Antje Mönning, 40, described her roadside antics as a spur-of-the-moment decision… that landed her with a €1,200 fine ($1,390). The German sitcom star was caught on video in June by plain-clothed police conducting traffic checks. In the video, the actress – famous for her role as a nun called Jenny in German TV show ‘For Heaven’s Sake’ – can be seen shaking her hips invitingly, while tucking up her skirt.

>Speaking to German newspaper Bild, Mönning slammed the fine for her salacious little number in Jengen, Bavaria.

>“I wagged my buttocks in front of three men who seemed involved in a conversation, slightly lifting my little skirt, under which I was naked,” she told the tabloid.

>The actress, who described herself as an “exhibitionist,” said that nudity should be “considered natural.” She also slammed her public nuisance charge, launching into an emotional rhetorical diatribe.

>“Do we really want to live in a society where you can not fool around mindlessly, where everyone is secretly recorded on video, in which people sue each other instead of talking to each other and in which tolerance and acceptance soon only exist as foreign words in the dictionary?” she asked.

https://www.rt.com/news/441086-german-star-striptease-police-video/

It should be noted that this is not new behavior for G*rman women look into the sexual mores of the Weimar republic. without the firm hand of an authoritarian leader the G*ermanic quickly reverts to their barbarian roots the modern day "migrant crisis" is perfectly understandable within the context of ancient german culture: it was tradition for men at war to bring their women along to stand at the sidelines with the winner taking the losers women as his/their own G*rman women are genetically wired for Migrants Welcome

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 No.92053

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>>92049

Why does this thread exist?




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 No.91925[Reply]

This guy really was feelz>realz personified, reading his speech to congress for a declaration of war against Germany, then appealing the A&S acts, and then finally giving even more power to Britain and France after the war with the League of Nations. Has any President fucked up as hard as he has?

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 No.91993

>>91992

The dude didn't give a fuck about imperialism, he only cared about independence for European nations, and even then, only for countries that aren't France or Britain. His dealings with Latin America see Veracruz is indicative of his views on foreign policy.


 No.91999

>>91992

>downfall of Imperialism

You mean the man almost singlehandedly responsible for the rise of American interventionism?


 No.92032

>>91993

He clearly did care about other countries; he wanted the peace to be fair. That's even though it was the Germans and Austrians who started the war.


 No.92033

>>91999

And how is that imperialism?


 No.92046

>>92033

It's given Burgerland dominion over the Western world and a sphere of influence over part of the rest through the UN. We don't use old-fashioned colonies but it's still an empire in a lot of ways.




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 No.92002[Reply]

>"Well howdy, mastuh Anon! I's done cooking fo' ya, if y'all come down heah wit yo' family oveah fo' dinnuh."

>"Do ya like it, mastuh? I's done thought it up myself! Issa gooood eatin', ain't it mastuh?"

ITT: You either own a loyal Negro slave, or act/talk like one. What do?

 No.92004

Have the relationship be voluntary, as that's the only way for him to be truly loyal. Yeah, I know, it makes him a servant instead, but the result is better.


 No.92020

>>92004

>implying

Boy you guys are no fun.


 No.92029

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>>92002

What would I do with a nigger slave? Why not a woman?


 No.92035

>>92029

Cuts spending :^)


 No.92045

>>92035

>Cuts spending :^)

Actually, I'm only willing to pay for my nigger servant part-time, and I'd rather give him money to feed and clothe himself because doing it for him would involve using my more valuable man-hours shopping at the discount grocery store. Better to just give him the money and let him do the coupon-clipping himself, more efficient that way. And cheaper for me as well, as I'm only paying a part-time wage and he can go work another job for the rest.




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 No.91713[Reply]

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>>91713

Tests like these annoy me because they're too simplistic. Like the dogmeat question. I don't care if you eat dog, but the law might.

>"okay", which implies "what is socially acceptable"

>not "right" or "wrong"

Tsk.

Also also, ha datamining thread.

Kiss the butt of my Brown Bess, republican swine.


 No.92012

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Most of the scenarios can be summed up as "dickish but not immoral".

>Some men have a private, all-male club and feminists take them to court, demanding that they open it up to women.

This one is fucked. It's a conflict between two parties, and it doesn't specify which party we're supposed to be judging.


 No.92018

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>>92012

>Most of the scenarios can be summed up as "dickish but not immoral".

>implying

You must be quite moral then, I presume?


 No.92039

>>92018

Implying what? I don't understand your meaning.




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 No.91772[Reply]

nigga looks like a shrew with dem beady eyes and nose

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 No.91783

>>91772

Probably because Mises (and Rothbard, fwiw) was a Jew. Then again, only poltards care about that stuff.


 No.91789

>>91772

Is the shrew the Jew of the animal kingdom?


 No.91818

>>91783

philosemites care too


 No.92027

>>91818

So jews and neocons? Because that's also what poltards are.


 No.92063

>>91789

Only for pea-brain rightwingers




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