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Choke to death on trump's stale cum you stupid fuck

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It's that time again - bring your criticism and suggestions for /leftypol/ to the table and talk to the mods.

I'll probably keep it pinned for about a week.

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While I agree with anchoring rather than deleting threads for the most part, can we just start straight up nuking shit like "commiecat" threads, zero-effort inflammatory shit like >>2847767 and so on? Letting them stick around and shit up the board gives them more attention than they're worth even if OP does get banned

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Any good publications on organizing at work, at home, etc? Did anyone ever document the activities actually done by people in the 1910s, or is it all just "lol they overthrew the guv dude?"

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>How can you call yourselves leftist politically incorrect?

/leftypol/ posters are allowed to voice opinions that offend liberals, SJWs, and so on. All sects on the left are allowed to post on /leftypol/, leading to plenty of fighting and shitflinging between leftists, which other forums might ban. However, this was only a minor consideration in the naming of /leftypol/. Since the concept is simply a leftist version of /pol/, the entire name of /pol/ was retained.

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>What is the ideal /pol/ structure?

Generally, Not Socialist style fascism.

>Are you saying that Bill thought communism was inevitable, or that he thought the powers that be would institute communism?

That the powers that be would institute communism, he explains this better in the link.

>Was Cooper in favor of communism?

He claims to have a neutral Libertarian conspiratorial stance. Hes against both Zionist globalization and Christian theocracy (since hes also Christian). As well as being against any government/group of people that take away individual freedom.

>I thought he was Libertarian?

He is.

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So, is idpol good or bad? The left is pretty divided on this issue so I thought I'd ask you lot.

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> left wing settler colonists are threatened by revolutionary postcolonial liberation narratives because they directly threaten their interests

Imagine my shock


IdPol is basically a buzzword at this point, you need to be more specific to get any kind of decent response. /leftypol/ has a ridiculously inconsistent definition of IdPol once you get past the "idpol bad" line, no one agrees on what it means and it's used more often than not just to signal general annoyance with western left-liberal speech policing and insufferableness which is fine and good but then depending on who you ask that can mean anything from "i shouldnt be gate-kept from socialism because im white wtf" (obviously true and an example of a disgusting excess of liberal infected western leftism) to "black people are culturally reactionary and their music should be banned, gay people are mentally ill and too weak to fight in the revolution" (literally just reactionary IdPol but somehow more acceptable than liberal IdPol around here)


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Identity gives you personhood and is actually pretty important for people, largely. We should by all means use people's identity to help them come together to recognize what we have in common while also allaying the ever present worry about "the other group". The bigger the identity group that we can get people to identify with, the better.

However, the politics of oppression that surround it are a serious mistake that confuses the vector of oppression with the source of the oppression. This is "identity politics" which is literally designed to make people stop thinking about how oppression actually works and instead just focus how make person feel bad.


Even liberals are starting to realize idpol is a bad idea: https://twitter.com/jessesingal/status/1083956746220195840

Read Exiting the Vampire Castle by Mark Fisher: https://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom/mark-fisher/exiting-vampire-castle/



>Maoist spewing postcolonial voo doo horseshit

Imagine MY shock

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I recently watched Zero Books' little video entitled "How the Global Left Can Counter Bannon and Peterson", one of the things that stood out to me was its offhand statement that while the right has used gaming to its advantage to attract some young people, there's no reason the left can't do the same–indeed they even claimed that such an undertaking would be superior than trying to mimic the collectivization of the 1920s.

Fast forward a bit. Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines 2 was just announced. As a fan of the original game I was honestly excited for it, around that time several people who I assume are /pol/lacks began fretting about a statement made by the devs that the game would be "political" that it'd be taking a "political" stance. Soon enough people began sharing repeatedly some examples of White Wolf's newest writing, most infamous being the character of "Rudi" who was a trans black muslim swedish vampire fighting for the rights of humans and vampires everywhere.

Soon enough an upswell began to emerge on /v/ that amounted to a single statement "We don't want politics injected into our games." It appeared to be an echo of GamerGate resurfacing, though this time with notably more opposition from /v/, as many people began sharing dialogue from the original Bloodlines that relentlessly mocked Bush and The Republican Party, as well as pointing out the contradiction of posters who said "You can have a game about civil wars and the environment degrading or overthrowing the government without it being political." Others quickly asked how a game about a civil war or governments being overthrown WASN'T political.

There are two things I want to hone in on, firstly if we were to give these people who claim to be bloodlines fans the benefit of the doubt and assume they played the first one and object to politics in the second, why would they be okay with a few potential jokes about Bush but not Trump? Secondly, what does it mean to these people to "not inject politics in games" when they seem perfectly fine with the politics of civil wars and government coups?

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ikr, ☭TANKIE☭s and juches are obsessed with banning "reactionary" shit, and for them every single thing that came into being during capitalism is reactionary.



Gamers are kinda like the kulaks. You will fight tooth and nail to keep your vidya pleasure machines if theres a hint that they will be threatened during the revolution



What kind of shit take is that? Those pleasure machines are their only source of pleasure in their completely alienated lives. Also a game console/pc is personal property not fucking basic foodstuff so people don't starve.



We are banning all the game developers. All the servers and live services will be shut down. You wont get to play your little Ameriburger imperial simulators like Call of Duty or Counter Strike anymore or your reactionary feudal fantasy larps like Skyrim and the Witcher. It's all gonna be shut down. We will probably need to set up a committee to decide which games would be allowed but most of them would get banned



Why is this important?

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Mandatory containment for: discussing your dogshit election campaigns and candidates.

Voluntary containment: discussing burger-specific things nobody cares about.

Allowed outside this thread: real political developments pertaining to the USA (IE, laws being passed, strikes, wars, etc)

original OP:

The last thread died, long live the new thread.

Midterms rapidly approaching gomrades. With impeachment proceedings likely on the horizon, the next congress will surely be a historic one.

What do you all think will happen? Let's discuss the spectacle of bourgeois liberal democracy in the era of Gronald Grumph.



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My lib history teacher spent half the class saying “The report never said Trump DIDN’T collude with Russia, just that their isn’t evidence of it.” This shit gets fucking tiring? Why can’t we just move on to something important in politics?


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>the report hasn't even been made public so how could you possibly speak to what's in it? the barr letter is of course meaningless when compared to the actual report

It's highly unlikely Barr would falsify what's in the report, given that the many who worked on the report could easily contradict him. No doubt liberals will be grasping at whatever straws it has to support the conspiracy theory, though.

It isn't "MAGA" when this bout of liberal conspiracy revived paranoid anti-communism due to the Russia connection and boomers forgetting that the Soviet Union no longer exists.



Honestly, I think Trump is probably corrupt as hell. His kids too. Not as in being a Russian spy, but as in criminal behavior. He's definitely a porky shill. The problem is that this opinion is already well established among millions. Mueller's final report only made him look good to Republicans on the fence, and untouchable to everyone else. Pursuing Russia is only going to piss them off, and force them to back their horses. Pointing fingers at Russia was always a method to avoid taking responsibility. I think a good modus operandi for socialists is to spread class conciousness, emphasize the difference between the powerful versus powerless, educate people on why pointing fingers at Russia is counter productive and agitate against the mainstream media. Maybe Trump could be convinced of reinstating a fairness doctrine (probably not though as this is political suicide for reactionary partisans). The seed could be planted though, and for the first time I see the majority of liberals and conservatives open towards taking steps against the MSM hegemony. It's also a great time to take that "Russia! Russia! Trump!" bullhorn away from the disillusioned activists, and replace it with "Porky! Porky! Class warfare!"

Industrie and savoir faire has more value than commodities made of gold.

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What is the /leftypol/ consensus on gun control? I know that many are against it, and this pro-ownership stance is common among a variety of groups from MLs to anarchists. However, I've also talked to supposedly radical leftists whose beliefs on the subject are the same as that of the liberal establishment. What do you have to say on the subject?

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>what about laser guns huh ever think of that

this is just stupid.



Gun control is the best filter for sorting neoliberal "soc"dems from actual socialists



> it has objectively reduced the rate of certain crimes

Literally zero proof.

There's been legal gun ownership for centuries in America and none of it has been used for a political purpose unless deployed in service of petty-bourgeois white supremacy. There was a neo-Nazi group (Identity Evropa) who was found out to have a member on the board of the NRA, even. The point is that guns at this point only serve the interests of the people who want to do genocide or protect their dictator from being couped, and at the current material conditions in America are wholly unneeded. Socialist Rifle Association is just a social club around firearms, with more emphasis on social than the actual shooting. After all, it's a non-profit that just teaches people security at protests at most. This is completely unrelated to the massive issues in the American system currently, such as healthcare, voter suppression, poverty, immigration, etc where there is objectively NO armed struggle.



Britain has it right but that position is in many ways historically determined and not fit for implementation elsewhere in the modern day. Nonetheless, it should be pursued in the USA to the fullest possible degree because US gun culture is cancer even if the guns themselves are just slabs of metal that make slabs of metal go fast.

Taking the inverse track to many users here, I would take the position that gun control is more desirable before socialism/communism than after it. The time and resources set free by radical social transformation would leave much more time available for figuring out how to roll back restrictions on ownership without causing social ills.

A lot of /leftypol/ seem to purely oppose gun control because it's a wedge issue they can jump at to distinguish themselves from liberals for little real cost, which I'd say belays a sort of insecurity in their own ideological position. I'm not sure whether this is more the case for Americans who have never fired a gun (where gun control is an active issue) or for people in countries with low gun ownership and strong restrictions who can use it to imagine themselves more revolutionary while sleeping happily at night knowing they're more likely to be hit by a falling Russian satellite than by a bullet, nor am I sure I would want to share the mindset of a philosophical coward or psychopath long enough to come to a conclusion.


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Don't forget, you're here forever.

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Thanks to comrade Gove for turning the teachers leftwing.



Instead of having a choice between a cryto fash government and a neo lib one. It will instead go back to being between a blue or red neolib party.

Expect another 1000 year Blairite reich.

Hope that gives you hope (◕‿◕✿)


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You did exactly the opposite of give me hope anon.



I know but I do genuinely find it shocking that cancelling Brexit without a referendum is now being presented as a serious option.

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<"it [is] almost impossible for any president to commit obstruction of justice since he is head of the executive branch"


>Former Secretary of State Colin Powell is alleged to have remarked in private, regarding who was responsible for the NSA wiretapping of U.S. citizens without a warrant: "It's Addington," and further, that "he doesn't care about the Constitution."[52] when speaking with friends at a Washington Redskins game. Jack Goldsmith has written that if Powell indeed made this remark, "he was wrong," as Addington and Cheney "seemed to care passionately about the Constitution as they understood it."[53] Further, it is alleged, at least during Cheney's term as Secretary of Defense from 1989–93, that Addington and Cheney were deeply and eagerly interested in the U.S. Continuity of Operations Plan[54] (CO-OP), to be used in the event of a nuclear attack on the U.S. (and first partially implemented after 9/11/01). This plan is alleged to provide "enduring Constitutional government" under a "paramount unitary executive" with "cooperation from" Congress and the several Courts. This deep and eager interest in the CO-OP was reported by the New Yorker[55] to extend to drills where Cheney spent his nights in a bunker, perhaps that "secure undisclosed location" which he was said to occupy following 9/11. Apparently Addington has taken this interest to the point where "For years, Addington has carried a copy of the U.S. Constitution in his pocket; taped onto the back are photocopies of extra statutes that detail the legal procedures for Presidential succession in times of national emergency …"[56] perhaps, even a national emergency that involves the CO-OP.

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I wish people understood just how undemocratic the US is, and even those that do seem to think there's no real alternative



Socialists have been calling electoral states "democratic" since the 19th century and back then voting rights were basically restricted to a minority of the population who could only elect a lower-house of the legislature. Socialists have always been fucking braindead. Plenty of Democrat Cops of America-types think the US political system is basically perfect and all we need is some minor economic reforms. When in fact we should be pushing for political reform more than anything else.

Abolish SCOTUS, the Presidency, the army, the Senate, and all the other bullshit standing in the way of labor ruling the world.

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Was monitoring the Alt-rightards and they seem in a tissy about this. Anyone know if this is true and if so, what should we do about this?

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From denial to acceptance and back to denial in 5 minutes. I should be surprised, but being a /pol/yp requires extraordinary self delusion to sustain.


=we did it reddit!==



<everything I don't like is /pol/




this but unironically, wiping out boomers is the best pragmatically possible praxis it is possible to undertake in the US.


Dice rollRolled 14, 18, 14, 15 - 1 = 60 (4d20)

timmy twotonez is here bitches

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Since I couldn't find the Cockshott thread I am now creating a new thread to discuss direct-democracy, cybernetic planning and various assorted socialist ideas for the 21st century.

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So is Cockshott banned in China? If so, what's the source?



Cockshott is the source



He says it somewhere in this video I'm 99% sure, don't have an exact timestamp:




Beginning of a series of articles by Jan Philipp Dapprich about building a socialism simulator similar to what is in TANS:


>I suggest using a system of mathematically derived values instead of the labour values which Cockshott and Cottrell rely on (Dapprich 2018, ADH Manifesto). I call these values Mathematically Derived Valuations (MDVs) in reference to a similar (but different) concept proposed by Kantorovich (Objectively Determined Valuations, Kantorovich 1960, Kantorovich 1965). The MDVs I use represent the opportunity cost of a single unit of a product.

I hope he fleshes out that part later with some examples. I don't quite understand what he means, despite being already familiar with marginalist concepts and opportunity costs.

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Syria General


The US is to formally recognise Israeli control over the legally-Syrian Golan Heights.


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Ah I see. That seems like a hard situation to resolve. Autonomy without access to the best wealth of the region is a shit deal, but it wouldn't be a great move on Syria's part to allow a region with a history of trying to break off full access to the resources allowing them to do so.


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People forget that the Assad family and the PKK have a long and mutually beneficial relationship. Only Turkish threats to invade Syria in 1999 forced Hafez al-Assad to stop giving sanctuary to Abdullah Ocalan and other PKK leadership



Is it just me or is that pic K U R D W A V E



Any reading materials on this? Sounds interesting



I'm afraid not, sorry.

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ITT: movies, anime, music, feels, e-celebs, internet drama, fetishes, shitposting, etc.

This is a voluntary thread that users can choose to post in, if… I forgot the rest of whatever the old OP was. Honestly, I just wanted to bring this old thread back.

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where abouts are you? Im in Melbourne and mines not blocked


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>I meant irl

See pic related


I mean, I'd rather my face be pulled inbetween her legs and squeezed by her thighs as she forces me to eat her out, but that sounds good too



sigh, another book to add to the reading list.


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After all these fucking years I've finally realized what the fuck CHIM actually is. It's really a kinda dumb concept and is really just a convoluted way of breaking the 4th wall and realizing the meta. The buildup kind of ruined it.

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What does /leftypol/ think of psychedelics?

From anecdotal experience, it seems like these compounds invariably shift the user's political orientation leftwards.

It seems reasonable to believe that these induced experiences have a tendency of "dissolving" imposed/indoctrinated value systems and ideologies.

Historically speaking, the widespread distribution of LSD in 1960's America played a major role in catalyzing the anti-capitalist hippie movement, the anti-war movement, and armed leftist groups like the Weather Underground.

Even today, the stereotypical image of a psychedelic enthusiast is someone estranged from mainstream capitalist society - a marginal uninterested in "success", "making money", a "career", or any other capitalistic pursuits.

What role, if any, should psychedelics play in the worldwide working class movement?

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The myth that LSD was invented by Hofmann can be scrutinized. CIA is younger than Hofmann's discovery, so that's not an option. Interestingly, Leo Perutz wrote in St Peter's Snow about an isolated ergot alkaloids just like LSD, 5 years before the official invention, which is used for social engineering. His family member Max Perutz was a nobel-winning molecular biologist and part of the Royal Institution. Hofmann himself corrected the narrative that LSD was not an accident but has an old history as Ignis Sacer, Anthony Fire, Magdalene Liver and Madonna Burn suggest. Dig deeper into the rabbit hole and you'll may think that there was a conspiracy by some people as stressed by the Huxley clan and others. IMAO similar derivates (today we know 1p-LSD, AL-LAD and many more) could be synthesized by witches. They rided their brooms besmeared with grease which contained psychedelics or other substances. It may be that the catholic church gathered some witchcraft knowledge. However, in 1793 Beddoes associated ergot with nervous affection. Its pharmacy research began in the first half of the 19th century. In 1907 the first effective alcaloid was isolated having an antagonistic effect to adrenaline. In 1918 Stoll who was Hofmann's lab head isolated ergotamine, LSD's precursor.


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besides the drug therapy aspect, in past threads, we argued about how psychedelic drugs had a potential to open the doors of perception, if you forgive the cliche, but that this wasn't a universal experience. It seems there are reactionaries' reports whose trips reinforced their randian Übermensch imbecility. So the theory that makes most sense, I guess, is that these drugs can re-open an imprinting window, allowing one to push their beliefs deeper down into their personalities.



You can grow weed and shrooms easily (much cheaper than making beer), you can join a club and have communal plantations like they do in Spain, comrade!


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If psychedelics make you left wing, do deliriants make you right wing?



I don't share your experience that drugs turn people leftwards, it's actually just a lie spread together with the hippie stereotype with the purpose of demeaning leftists and socialists in general (like in Okie from Muskogee).

In my experience conservatives and rightists are as much druggies as anybody, they just tend to hide and be ashamed hypocritical assholes about it, just like with everything else.

Recreative drugs won't make you smarter, it's just a fun and interesting experience, it's pleasure, liking psychedelics is in human nature, it's very hard to find a culture that didn't use at least one of them. People should be free to seek their own happiness by any means, they should be free to choose what kind of pleasure they want, be it drugs, non-conventional sex, watching anime, anything that doesn't hurt other people.

There are some very destructive recreative drugs tho, selling these things should be considered fraud, because the seller annouces to the buyer that they are recreatives when they are actually poison, but it's hard to decide which drugs would fall in this category.

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