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File: 5a982063a87fe53⋯.jpg (17.69 KB, 250x400, 5:8, lenin right of nations.jpg)

 No.2715007[Reply]

I just finished Lenin's "The Right of Nations to Self-Determination" and his shorter text "Critical Remarks on the National Question". However I still have some questions.

1) General question: I'm not sure I really understood the central point (if there is one) of these texts. Would therefore like to recapitulate the main points I understood from the text:

*the right to self-determination should always be thought in political and not in cultural terms (i.e. the right to political secession);

*this right should generally be granted to all nations, because this is essential in a state that calls itself democratic and lessens the possibility of conflicts between different nationalities;

*the fact that nations under capitalism are never "really independent" economically is irrelevant to the political question about their self-determination;

*national independence movements should be supported as long as they don't simply benefit the national bourgeoisie of that nation;

*support for national movements should always go together with support for proletarian organisations to prevent the prevailing of national particularism. These two facets are not at all opposed, but complement each other;

*it is idiotic to categorically oppose all national movements based on either a vague appeal to "internationalism" (= a Marxist mistake) or "the falling apart of the nation" (= a liberal/rightist mistake).

Are these the most important points or did I miss something vital? Did I misrepresent any of Lenin's positions?

2) In what cases would Lenin think a national movement should be supported and in what cases wouldn't he? For example, let's take the concrete case of R.ojava. If it would turn out through a democratic referendum that the majority of Kurds want R.ojava to exist as an independent state, should this (according to the "Leninist" view) be supported despite the role it can play as an outpost for American imperialism? Should "a" Kurdish state be supported, just not R.ojava in the form we currently see? Or should this be disregarded alltogether because some other principle, such as the "integrity" of Syria as an anti-imperialistPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

 No.2715087

bump?


 No.2715120

>>2715007

In what cases would Lenin think a national movement should be supported and in what cases wouldn't he?

Honestly, idk. It's something that we can only speculate on. But in the case of your Rojáva example, I think what he would've liked would be an alliance between them and the syrian government to more effectively combat imperialism. And no, I don't he think he would've thought receiving weapons and supplies from the US make Rójava an "imperialist puppet" like so many retards here do. After all, the germans aided the bolsheviks during the revolution. It's almost as if Marx said "the capitalists will sell us the rope we'll hang them with". But for some basic shit, he probably would've not supported any national liberation movements which are clearly ethnonationalist in nature and whatnot.

>Do you think the USSR failed or succeeded in actually implementing Lenin's recommendation to grant nations the right to self-determination?

I couldn't tell you, but while imo all socialists should support national self-determination, it's not something you can force upon people. Like Rosa Luxemburg said, "we don't want to liberate the people, we want the people to liberate themselves".




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 No.2715088[Reply]

What are *you* doing to advance towards the revolution?

It seems the general consensus here is that reform can only step toward the revolution; at some point a revolution will have to happen, and I can't imagine that posting anime girls as bait online is helping.

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 No.2715109

we are gonna grow up and wagekek our lives away. Some of us might even end up owning busnesses


 No.2715110

Smoking cannabis sativa 18 hours a day, 6 days a week.


 No.2715111

Sage kike shill threads like this one.

Promoting unoragnized micro scale violence on validates their claims.

Do not fall for it


 No.2715114

>>2715111

Then how do you plan to advance the revolution? Organize large scale violence? How? It seems as though some here even oppose weapons which I thought was not a position many truly on the left hold.


 No.2717269

>>2715088

find people who share your ideals. spread them online. i feel the revolution is a natural outcome of a society in which enough people believe in it. shit like >>2715111 mentions does the opposite and turns people away. the revolution should only start when victory is guaranteed. otherwise, you're just being retarded and wasting your time.




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 No.2713483[Reply]

(Vietnam thread

How do you think Vietnam is holding up these days compared to overseas Vietnamese?

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 No.2714897

>>2714878

I’m not dying a substantive amount of people (750,000 to a million) died but it is sad to see people throw out all reason and swallow the imperialist lies on DK just to separate themselves from the regime. It was obviously un-Marxist and ultra-leftist in practice but that does not mean we throw all facts and objectivity out the window


 No.2714931

>>2714844

Lenin was a Right-Wing German/Austrian Puppet and CounterRevolutionary Hidrance.


 No.2714955

>>2714897

>backpaddling

So we went from "no genocide ever happened and Pol Pot was the best ever" to "okay a million people got whacked an Pol Pot was wrong".

How many posts before we've hit "Communism is literally the worst thing ever"?


 No.2714967

>>2714955

Deaths happen during revolutions and Cambodia was a mess at that time, so it would be wrong to attribute every single death to Pol Pot being evil. It is not backpeddling. I like Stalin and don’t cry about every death he caused but nor do I try to defend every action he did. There is a fine line between admitting things happened and swallowing imperialist propaganda like

>MUH THREE MILLION

when it was in fact much, much less. I never took the childish position of “Pol Pot did nothing wrong”, but instead questioned the alleged death count


 No.2715001

>>2714778

Yeah CPUSA is shit but the articles can be quite good :) btw the other articles are not from them

btw I also found this: https://return2source.wordpress.com/2013/01/08/actually-existing-socialism-in-vietnam/




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 No.2714658[Reply]

How accurate would you say this list is? I thought only Cuba and NK were real socialism? And why are the supposedly "exploited under capitalism" India, Bangladesh, China, Tanzania and Guyana here?

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 No.2714786

quick, someone call the marcyites, there's new countries whose socialist development they can support


 No.2714788

>>2714784

Its hardly surprising, the Carnation revolution was led by communists, it was just coopted by liberals and the communists failed to retake control.


 No.2714945

>Bangla

Left-SocDems

>Guyana

Left-SocDems but with a strong Marxist Influence

>India

Officially has a SocDem constitution but is led by right-Wingers now Marxists remain a strong political current

>DPRK

Basically M-L in terms of economy minus the weird Juche Autism

>Nepal

Led by a Marxist party but retains a SocDem level economy and state structure

>Portugal

The only reason that's in the constitution is because of the Communist Military but it was created by Liberals after

>Sri Lanka

Left-SocDem now led by right-Wingers

>Tanzania

I've got no idea but the ruling party "Claims" to be Left-SocDem but it's Africa so who the fuck knows if that's true


 No.2714952

>>2714722

Those countries got to their more developed state in a sloppy way which disempowered the party, whatever Xi or his supporters say. Even though I think Vietnam is comparatively weaker than China in this respect. Unfortunately, it is the likeliest reason there won’t be any positive changes. I’d also say that the DPRK may not be doing so hot in this regard either. Their business class is more or less the plaything or party cadres, but according to 38North and NK News they’ve still established strategic relationships which get kickbacks to their sponsors in the party. This occurs in all currently existing socialist states, but unless they have some hard limits to the rights of the owner class, I’d say DPRK is on a path to becoming another state riddled with political patronage for an exploding bourgie class. Cuba does have some hard rules set on their growth, and Raúl did some reforms which weren’t favorable to them before retiring, so I’m a little more hopeful that Cuba has a stronger grip on their private sector. Their primary concern is to manage the desires and expectations of their population, though. They need to regain the trust of many dissilusioned people there.


 No.2714984

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>>2714952

>This occurs in all currently existing socialist states, but unless they have some hard limits to the rights of the owner class, I’d say DPRK is on a path to becoming another state riddled with political patronage for an exploding bourgie class.

Not if Bolton can stop it.

Neocon gang might unironically save the DPRK from capitalist reform because they can't think ahead like the more shrewd neolibs who realized you could simply take over a so-called socialist country via foreign investment and corporate ownership by waiting for them to eventually reform towards a "socialist market economy" (one-party state capitalism) as they've successfully done with China and Vietnam. If the Trump admin walks back on pausing the joint military drills, reels in South Korea from their attempts at diplomacy with the North, and slaps more sanctions on the DPRK, the DPRK will proceed with their nuclear bomb and ICBM tests which will then force an emergency UNSC meeting where all countries including China and Russia will agree to sanction the DPRK, and the DPRK will be forced back to Songun policy and economy autarky and their "business class" will be useless for the time being since they can't do international trade.

If on the other hand peace and diplomacy prevails, then the DPRK like you said will slowly reform to one-party capitalism, formally recognise private property in a new constitution, and remove housing, food and job guarantee as rights to their citizens since everything must be privatised and commodified according to a "socialist market economy."




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 No.2714928[Reply]

Hi I've been browsing pol for several years. I saw some videos the other day that got me thinking about things like unpaid preparation (time/my own money spent preparing and traveling to work) and it got me thinking enough for me to want to come here and explore. Sorry for the shitty blog post.

 No.2714934

Okay, any specific stuff you would like to ask us about?


 No.2714937

>>2714934

Not yet. Gonna lurk for a while and check out the entry level reading list. Thanks for no bully first post


 No.2714942

>>2714928

Is there anything in particular you would like to know or have explained in greater detail? You’re post doesn’t leave much to work with. Though you mentioned unpaid labour perhaps you would interest in marx’s analysis of the exploitation carried out by employer’s under the capitalist mode of production; in which case I’d reccomend reading wage labour and capital. It goes into greater detail about the mode of exploitation and why it occurs than communist manifesto, though with much more brevity than das kapital which while being a fundamental text in the understanding of dialectical materialism can be a bit of a chore to read.


 No.2714943

Locked, just for lack of material - if you've any preliminary questions, ask here >>2670891 or make another thread once you have a concrete idea of a specific topic to discuss. Enjoy your stay.




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 No.2714815[Reply]

The only "successful" communist countries that existed depend on massive trade surplus with western capitalist countries, notably the U.S

When that all dries up, everything ALWAYS goes down hill (for example: Venezuela pretty much tanked overnight when America stopped importing their oil).

Find an exception to this rule.

Protip: You can't.

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 No.2714892

>>2714891

>Says ">iz da free market fault why socialist dictatorship happened"

>Even though there was not a free market anywhere as they were fully embargoed


 No.2714894

>>2714865

Yay China,Vietnam and socialist India!!


 No.2714899

>>2714825

>unrealistically good geography

the soviets controlled the heartland for almost a century and still got their asses kicked in

>imperialism

we were still outcompeting Britain when they controlled one fourth of the world's landmass


 No.2714909

>>2714899

>Russia has good geography

They litterally have shit geography, the only reason they managed to hold on is because they could reteat to siberia and scorching down their entire core industry and farmland.

America is essentially a super fertile, virgin island country, with inhospitable desert to the south and ice to the north, with vast oceans to either side. You cannot invade it.

Keep in mind that before the russian empire formed, it was one of the most often invaded and subjegated places. There is a reason the word for "slave" in most european languages is derived from slav. Mongols, huns, germanic tribes, etc etc. The USA has been ininvaded and unconquered since its conception. Russia has been invaded many many times since 1770.

>Brittain

Which does not have good geography (although it does have better ones than the rest of europe) as it is heavily involved and targeted in both world wars, those wars lead to the decline of the european powers on the world stage, by the way.

They even made a whole video about why russian geography is shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3C_5bsdQWg


 No.2714916

>>2714909

Also because brittain got cought up in two world wars is the reason it lost its dominant position.




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 No.2710540[Reply]

So let me chime in with an idea.

Its called open source economic planning.

The main economic planners would set an agenda/blueprint.

Then people with qualifications in said field would be able to vote online and modify and either veto the agenda or pass it with a majority vote.

This way this would ensure the economic planning would be as democratic process and should anything go wrong itd fall on the people.

Good idea/bad idea?

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 No.2712016

>>2711991

>"""Specialists""" are just as capable of having class interests as everyone else.

Nobody is stopping someone from becoming certified

> Why would they know what people need, anyways? What does Paul Cockshott know about the needs of a Marine Science outpost in the Arctic?

Well marine scientists would know

>People are going to all have their ideas about how to do things, and they are all going to make new plans!

If the plan gets majority vote its approved if its vetoed it doesn't and a new plan is made.

It'd be more inefficient and cumbersome true, but it'd also be more democratic.


 No.2712298

>>2712016

>>2712016

>Nobody is stopping someone from becoming certified

It's totally possible that people will be deprived of degrees based on their politics since having one will involve political power. Giving someone a degree will always be a political decision so it will be impossible to make it a neutral process. This is why I think that at least major decisions should decided by the people.


 No.2713166

>>2711329

>>2711329

>>2711991

All knowledge is useful but should not be used to constraint an open source system, we should seek maximum flexibility and by that I mean that no matter the hierarchy of the principles that rule the rules below, it should be able to be subject to edition even this very same idea. The speed, the diversity of the experiments, the modes of voting, or even different and weirder methods, anything that our imagination can conceive should occur and all the ways to verify and justify knowledge. No language game is a priori true! It should be a system that in principle is as simple as it can possibly be so that it can accomodate for almost all possibilities, and actively work towards them as an actively open mind, one that keep accelerating its way to a multifaceted world of dynamic utopias, the perfect environment for creativity all because we decided to not ignore the other voices and thus to actively search to elucidate those blindspots as efficiently as it is possible, it's just the passion for alternatives that should drive us forward: say, you could even at this point in time perhaps look for people that are able to synthesize knowldge and search for conensus on whether the knowledge does represent the view of such ensemble of people. But that's just one way, you can assign some internet-based forum or something that allows people to ask questions about each part of every idea so that we can better listen and ground everyone's opinions logically and use the one that can best achieve the greatest objectives (that is, we should try not to be pedantic except for the unseen greater good), we could vote on values and propose different solutions to eachieve those values. All of you, all of your opinions are valid, and useful and true in their way but we have to discover in what way precisely, each one works and it's all part of an enormous system that doesn't necessarily need a bureaucracy because it's not a closed finished system but rather an increasingly open system that keeps expanding, that keeps flourishing the beauty of the coPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


 No.2714757

File: 1b6a10f7594d85d⋯.gif (9.43 KB, 416x215, 416:215, _44094063_tax_spending_gra….gif)

I think there should be a referendum for budget allocation.


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 No.2714597[Reply]

PayPal is canceling accounts used by the Proud Boys, Gavin McInnes, and antifa groups - PayPal said today that it will cancel accounts used by far-right group the Proud Boys as well as multiple accounts from anti-fascist groups.

Article: https://www.theverge.com/2018/11/9/18079880/paypal-proud-boys-gavin-mcinnes-antifa

>In a statement posted to Twitter, Atlanta Antifa decried being banned alongside the far-right group. “Our group completely rejects the ‘both sides’ stance taken by PayPal,” the group’s organizers wrote, adding that their actions “are community self-defense.”

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 No.2714675

>>2714651

This

I don't think what >>2714650 is saying is really wrong, but I don't want to be caught up in praising the liberal state or corporations for protecting its own interest.


 No.2714678

>>2714617

>its a private company they can do whatever they want

>why dont you start your own website

t. ancaps


 No.2714689

>>2714651

See, this is exactly what I am talking about. Why do we care, at all, about the right losing "free speech"? This shit is a MEME. A few right wing individuals are losing their right to SHITPOST on a website. That is it. The end. No more, no less. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, the end.

Not to mention that this isnt even sirectly about about free speech, which reminds me…

>crack down by the state

PayPal is a state? A few rightwing people being denyed access to PayPal is a crackdown by the state? Personally, I hate word pasta, it makes me sick.

I'll be honest, I wrote the reply to the second comment first, and I think it covers what I would say almost entirely, specifically in regard to the idea that there can be a "bourgeois crack down on free speech" or a "bourgeois permittance of free speech", when these are really both one and the same, the reproduction of Capitalism as per the conditions at a given time.

>>2714675

See, why is it either or?! Why is it "Support the state/corporations against the right for the left" or "support the state/corporations for the right for the left".

How about this "The state will NEVER be on the side of the Left and it really doesnt matter if they 'support free speech' or not!" There is NO situation where we should be praising or supportimg the State in an attempt to preserve or to develop the left. The State is antithetical to our goals, and it is IMPOSSIBLE for us to leverage, subvert, or otherwise manipulate something that only functions for Capitalism. We can not trick PayPal into a Socialist cause. We can not trick the U.S. government into supporting Socialism. It can not happen. It will not happen. This idea that there is some "perfect condition" for Socialist revolution is completely baseless. When companies act nicely, they are opposing Socialism and reproducing Cpaitalism. When they act in an evil way, they are opposing Socialism and reproducing Capitalism. Capitalist society, by its very definition, will reproduce Capitalism and oppose SociaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


 No.2714695

Only a fool will cheer or lament this. We are powerless, is the only conclusion. PayPal can do as it pleases to whom it pleases, and the only reason for cheer will be when it can't anymore, because it has come under popular control.


 No.2714710

>>2714689

>Why do we care, at all, about the right losing "free speech"?

It's used as a smokescreen to take more from us.

>A few right wing individuals are losing their right to SHITPOST on a website.

Nope.

This is going to the extent of going after just regular alternative organizational activity - by the left, but the right too. Hostile shitposting could already get you bant from a site since forever, although they'd been going pretty lax on it for a few years.

>PayPal is a state?

A lot of the stuff that's been going on lately, by Facebook and the like, actually has been in response to pressure from the government and capital. Alex Jones's broadcast was literally shutdown by the FCC (notably the same Trump FCC which killed net neutrality) after years of going easy on him. So, yes - the state is absolutely getting involved in this and has some substantial influence over what the atmosphere is like right now for communications.

>A few rightwing people being denyed access to PayPal is a crackdown by the state?

Right wingers, antifa, commies, subversive agents, guys who maybe don't like police enough or like Russia or Venezuela too much… =]]] IDK, man, Paypal just couldn't get away with this if average every day people weren't all so concerned with them platforming Proud Boys and anti-fascists.

I mean, you know - I'm not even saying it has to be the state all the time. In PayPal's case, maybe it's not - could just be power interests in capital without direct government involvement. The state is absolutely involved in the paranoid environment surrounding these things, but they don't have to have their finger deep in it all the time even when the paranoid decisions made happen to serve state interests. Capital and the state are generally on thPost too long. Click here to view the full text.




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 No.2702804[Reply]

can you point me towards some leftist authors who are openly critical of the identity politics/PC culture?

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 No.2714513

>>2712695

Go read his wiki page !


 No.2714532

Richard Wolff


 No.2714535

>>2702804

You just posted him.

Also, this guy

>>2702834


 No.2714562

File: 9ce3ed91387b46e⋯.jpg (45.05 KB, 850x400, 17:8, lenin jew.jpg)

You could very easily tear through modern idpol in the west by quoting lenin and replacing the word jew with white


 No.2714619

>>2703769

quite funny that Jason is the one looking less cringy in this pic. Rare moment




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 No.2592948[Reply]

Moderately new to leftism, can anyone give a rundown/advice on the state of the left and the left wing parties in Australia?

Currently Ive only really noticed two groups in my city - Socialist Alliances and Socialist Alternative (The Communist Party seems to be mainly a LARP/club for boomers) both mainly from their newspaper sellers though the latter also seems to have the only large scale conferences.

Outside of Refugees/immigration and Adani what are some of the key struggles/issues to focus on?

Also /aus/ general

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 No.2714511

>>2714405

>If they are at all like the modern IWW in America, then they would probably not even allow white guys to join.

Jesus christ what? Could you expand upon this? I had no idea they'd gotten *that* bad.


 No.2714515

>>2714511

A slight exaggeration on my part for comedic effect.

I'm sorry if that was not clear.

While I cannot speak for all of the IWW branches across the USA.

I can say with certainty that the vast majority of the IWW in America have taken the idpol pill hard.

So hard in fact that many branches now make use of the 'progressive stack' concept that effectively puts white men at the bottom of a sexual/racial caste hierarchy; The stated point being to limit white men from having any internal influence/voice in the name of ~equality~.

Effectively much of the American IWW has succumb to modern liberalism.

But I cannot say if the same is true of the Australian IWW - It certainly was not as of ~5 years ago.


 No.2714520

>>2713596

What about the greens ?


 No.2714523

SALT is a CULT

to be honest anybody who doesn't vote for Clive Palmer is a loser.


 No.2714556

>>2714520

>the greens

imo they're in the same position in relation to us as the ALP but green.




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 No.2709676[Reply]

Any good movies with some lefty themes or ideas? Key word there being good, I don't feel like watching a documentary or some shit

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 No.2711847

>>2711647

How so? I thought the train crashing in its entirety, rather than a simple leadership change happening on board, was a pretty clear anti-capitalist message.


 No.2711856

>>2711847

absolutely true.

snowpiercer is probably the only post apocalyptic movie that works in a political way and stages our deadlock without resorting to easy answers nor total catastrophe


 No.2713074

The Act of Killing


 No.2714525

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>>2711743

Every time I see this I think Fahrenheit 9/11 should be there over Bowling For Columbine even though both are good.


 No.2714529

Cloud Atlas has a depiction of late stage capitalist exploitation as a side plot.




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 No.2706108[Reply]

I'm curious what are /leftypol/'s thoughts on Adam Curtis and his documentaries?

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 No.2709384

his work has a great aesthetic


 No.2709690

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 No.2713305

Very good at describing the way things are but no attempt at describing a way out, to the point it makes it look like change is impossible.

I'm Sorry to Bother You did a good job of mocking the liberal absorption of any attempt at change (coke ad about the strike). But still had the good guys win in the end.


 No.2714301

>>2706463

>with global warming alarmists

?


 No.2714478

Adam Curtis thread. Noone talking about The Century of the Self, his most important work.




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 No.2714457[Reply]

Considering the Bourgeoisie have so much political and economic power, why would they ever willingly give it up? To me, seems like reformists are simply idealists. Or am I simply missing something?

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 No.2714465

>>2714457

Both.

Reform won't get you socialism, but it can make it easier to build resource, organize, and get the message out. Or rather - the path to revolution isn't a linear "things get worse -> things get even worse -> revolution!" because "worse" isn't actually a real measure of anything. Revolutionary activity will always be harder to accomplish if "worse" means a gun to your back.


 No.2714473

>>2714457

Political power is distinguishable from economic.


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 No.2714745

>>2714509

Not everyone has read Lenin's collected works you fag. Why not let people discuss the idea like a fucking discussion board is supposed to?


 No.2715386

>>2714745

because socialism is a science and there's no point getting your answers from misinformed and/or uneducated anons on the internet when someone can point you towards the scientific discourse on the subject




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 No.2704646[Reply]

U.S. Is About To Reinstate Iran Sanctions. Here's What That Means

Roughly two days remain until the full measure of U.S. sanctions snap back into place against Iran. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo told reporters Friday that, come 12 a.m. ET Monday, the economic penalties leveled on the Iranian regime will return to levels unseen since the U.S. negotiated the 2015 multilateral nuclear deal.

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/02/663377999/u-s-is-days-away-from-reinstating-iran-sanctions-heres-what-that-means

Nigerian army posts Trump video to justify shooting protesters

Nigeria’s army has posted a video of Donald Trump saying soldiers would shoot migrants throwing stones to justify opening fire on a group of Shia protesters this week.“Please watch and make your deductions,” said the army in a post on its official Twitter account.In the video, the US president warns that soldiers deployed to the Mexican border could shoot Central American migrants who threw stones at them while attempting to cross illegally.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/02/nigerian-army-uses-trump-rock-is-a-rifle-comment-to-justify-shooting-protesters

Spain prosecutor seeks long jail terms for Catalan pro-independence leaders

Spain’s public prosecutor on Friday sought jail terms of up to 25 years on rebellion charges for nine leaders of Catalonia’s independence movement over an illegal secession bid they spearheaded last year.The recommendation drew an angry response from the region’s leader, who also dismissed moves by the State Attorney - a separate, government-appointed body prosecuting in the case - to push for the lesser charge of sedition.

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 No.2705578

>Nigeria’s army has posted a video of Donald Trump saying soldiers would shoot migrants throwing stones to justify opening fire on a group of Shia protesters this week.“Please watch and make your deductions,” said the army in a post on its official Twitter account.In the video, the US president warns that soldiers deployed to the Mexican border could shoot Central American migrants who threw stones at them while attempting to cross illegally.

haha oh wow, Nigeria just set the bar for tragicomedy on an unreachable level

>Spain prosecutor seeks long jail terms for Catalan pro-independence leaders

Good. Lock up those liberal shitters and throw away the key.

>Bolsonaro’s Cabinet Will Include Brazil Judge Who Convicted Lula

This just might be his biggest fuck-up. Now Lula is a hair away from being considered a political prisoner everywhere outside of Brazil.


 No.2705666

>>2704733

>Under Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour Party’s goal is to create nothing less than a twenty-first century democratic socialism.. .

"Twenty-first century socialism" already failed before it started because it wasn't socialist, and so will this.

>New York Times tries to shame “disillusioned young voters” into supporting the Democrats

They did that during the campaign as well. All I could read was "why aren't you stupid shitlords voting for her?!"

>Trump calls for “massive cities of tents”

These already exist, and they're inhabited by laid-off Americans.

>>2704694

Jesus jannies, it's just a joke.


 No.2709538

Emmanuel Macron has called for the creation of a “true European army” to allow the EU defend itself from threats ranging from Donald Trump to Vladimir Putin.

“We have to protect ourselves with respect to China, Russia and even the United States of America,” Mr Macron told France’s Europe 1 radio in an interview.

“When I see President Trump announcing that he's quitting a major disarmament treaty which was formed after the 1980s euro-missile crisis that hit Europe, who is the main victim? Europe and its security.”

The French president continued: “We will not protect the Europeans unless we decide to have a true European army.

“We need a Europe which defends itself better alone, without just depending on the United States, in a more sovereign manner.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/emmanuel-macron-european-army-france-russia-us-military-defence-eu-a8619721.html

Are they gonna kickstart World War 2 again to raise the Rate of Profit? You know, USA and UK vs Europe vs Russia and China

Is this the fate that we are destined for?


 No.2709552

>>2709538

MULTIPOLARITY IT CLOSE


 No.2714451

>>2709538

It may be the case that certain European countries side with the US and not with the France-Germany axis, making thing a things a bit more interesting.




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Was it really a dystopia?

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 No.2714444

>>2714429

Yes, but they have these names because Huxley didn't like Marxism and the USSR as well as capitalism, not because the society had Marxist origins (the origins of the society are from Ford). Again, utopian anarkiddie >>2714033


 No.2714501

>>2714444

The society could have been repurposed though to be a socialist utopia if Huxley didn't see the planning of the USSR as a negative.


 No.2714510

>>2714407

Even Lenin admitted it was a mistake m8.


 No.2716330

BNW honestly depressed the fuck out of me as a teenager because to be completely honest, my interpretation of it was a story about a guy who wants friends to bullshit about Shakespeare and stuff with, but everyone he meets is a genetically modified wage slave who's happy screwing lightbulbs in all day, figuratively or literally, or the drug-addled version of social climbers trying to be the coolest dude at the party forever


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>>2716330

That's a bummer, bro. But that's the world we live in now. So get to it! Kill yourself like the savage, wage slave or become a drug addled social climber; the choice is yours.

>>2714033

>After collecting and publishing a great amount of historical documents from left communist currents, and analysing the most recently discovered writings of Marx, in the early-1970s Camatte abandoned the Marxist perspective. He decided instead that capitalism had succeeded in shaping humanity to its profit, and that every kind of "revolution" was thus impossible; that the working class was nothing more than an aspect of capital, unable to supersede its situation; that any future revolutionary movement would basically consist of a struggle between humanity and capital itself, rather than between classes; and that capital has become totalitarian in structure, leaving nowhere and no-one outside its domesticating influence.

Perfectly expresses how hopeless I feel about the situation. Reminds me of how Debord killed himself after long before proclaiming that the choice was "revolution or suicide".

There is no hope any more, no hope no hope NO HOPE.

THERE IS NO HOPE YOU'D BE A FOOL TO THINK OTHERWISE




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