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I am thinking perhaps we could discuss and share some articles and information on imperialism and exploitation of the third world today. Any articles, news, books or other sources of information are welcome!

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After reading some of the answer, I came to conclusion that truth is in the middle. Obviously France and other countries still exploit Africa, however it is not as obvious as easily googlable tax, but more covert like debt trap and resource theft.. France killed Thomas Sankara, after all.



>A 2008 paper published by Global Financial Integrity estimated capital flight, also called illicit financial flows to be "out of developing countries are some $850 billion to $1 trillion a year.


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whats the difference between the other leftist boards?

leftpol marx getchan bunkerchan

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Good and correct posts. No reason at all they should be controversial, just spergs recoiling at the word feminism.


Surprised no one here has mentioned that /leftypol/ is basically old half-/lit/'s colony. Stirner being in public view again at all started on /lit/.




like this board but slower, with a higher infestation of anarkiddies and other liberals, however the moderation is also less shitty because it's not run by a lunatic


slow board that is actually great for discussion and asking questions, probably my favorite leftist board






sneaky bump

hate me, ban me, I don't care



Maybe for you, but Stirner was always a pretty influential figure within individualist anarchism.

Murray Bookchin was writing polemics about how Stirnerism was anathema to social change way back in the 90s, for instance.

You're giving butterfly a little too much credit.

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Wanna know how I know Marxism is dead?

I was born in a Marxist family. My grandfather was a Marxist. He was arrested and tortured by police for trying to found an union in Mexico. In jail, he studied to become a lawyer, and once he was freed he kept fighting. He was involved in several shootouts and was arrested several times during his life. The last time was in 1976, he was 58 years old and spent 4 months in prison. At the end, he had helped to create 5 unions, 2 of which still operate in Mexico. The tombstone on his grave is, literally, a fist made of granite. He was tough as nails, and he had friends even tougher than him. Guerrilla fighters and that type of people.

Fastforward 30 years and you got pic related introducing himself "I'm dave or lisa…" while wearing a tie and a skirt, then he introduces Richard Wolff to the stage.

This is a lost cause

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>These practices were based more on one's actions

Just like gender according to Judith Butler.



They're a very loud, histrionic, and frankly disgusting 1% of the population

Literally porn-addicted men in the misogynist equivalent of blackface, and they've screamed and cried and threatened suicide until they've become the face of many socialist orgs, because god forbid they don't get attention

The fact that "gender is an abstract construct" and that womanhood is just some thing floating in the air you can Choose to be is anti-materialist idealistic nonsense, yet people still trust these peoples' opinions on Marx, is depressing.



>"Transgender" as an identity category in Western culture is specific to late capitalism.

That's probably partially true, but they use to have people that wouldn't call themselves trans, but use some other label instead. That predates capitalism.

Honestly, I just want them to stop getting mad when guys don't want to fuck them because they don't find transwomen attractive.

Some of them can be just as bitchy as incels, except they won't shoot up a school.



>it's another eedpol whine thread/thinly veiled sentimentalist rambling of a reactionary

this board is a lost cause


Y'all do know the recent deluge of trans shit is 100% Porky trying to make trans a talking point, rather than anything that would actually be relevant to helping anyone? It's not even worthwhile to talk about these strawmen.

The queer theory shit should have been thrown out a long time ago (and that too has its origin in CIA like the whole pomo program).

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Do you think White Supremacy (Defined as legal and economic discrimination against non-whites, specifically blacks, ultimately in favor of whites) exists in the present-day US? Or can black and Latino disproportionate poverty and incarceration, for instance, be explained with other causes? Did White Supremacy originate in order to prevent white proles from uniting with black proles/slaves by bribing whites and has continued into the present day?

Something interesting I've observed is how often people, particularly on the left, talk about how trigger happy cops are with black and brown people, but looking at the statistics, the ethnic distribution of those killed by cops are relatively equal with the ethnic distribution of perpetrators of violent crime. So it seems to me like individual cops are not looking at things through a racial lens when they're deciding to shoot someone.

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Well if >>2788777 is any indication, probably


The prevalence of white supremacy as an ideology doesn't really matter, as society under capitalism currently operates as if it were.

This could easily change, of course, but being a minority and all the cultural trappings that go with it, is generally a signifier of underclass status, hence they're often treated as such by police, employers, etc.



Also, couple this with the prison industrial complex, and you have recipe for disaster.

There will always be a group of people that will need to be more disposable than others as long as it exists.



The black community also faced sterilization. The eugenics program in the US didn't just target poor white people.



In what world are poor whites fucked WORSE than poor blacks? I dont think we need some fucking heirarchy of suffering or anything like that but it is retarded to claim that the group that was enslaved and then subject to apartheid and lynching terror has been less fucked than the group that has, as a whole, been complicit in defending slavery and enforcing racist practices. Im not saying white people should be guilty or self deprecating because of this but it really is extreme historical revisionism to claim poor whites had it harder than blacks as an overall group. And wtf are you on about sterilization, that targeted blacks and natives even moreso than it did poor whites.

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Any Gen Z (zoomer) spouting out Pepe memes on 4chan or YouTube is an auxiliary member. The alt-right is a Millennial/Generation X phenomenon. Study the dialogue on /pol or other reactionary forums.

- They spout memes of 80s/90s culture.

- They ruminate an awful lot on the women in their lives: neigbors, coworkers, mothers, sisters, exes, etc. They always bitch about the spats said women start. They also  gossip about said womens' sex lives, especially if the men said women date are darker than sand.

- They always talk about out-of-print games or novels that have radical-right themes

- They always reminisce about their hometowns when they were mostly-white.

- They use the term "millennial" for any under-30 person, especially if said person has no political convictions.

In fact, for the past decade, the arch-nemesaries of the Millennials and Gen Z are not the Boomers but Gen X and early Millennials (simply, anyone born 1960 - 1990). Most of the hate is pop-cultural, rather than economic. Most of the "politically incorrect" Xennials love snark and darkness, hence the love for grunge, heavy metal, goth, and punk and all their fashion trends and mantras. Anything bright and/or melodic is "wrong." They have a sick obsession with masculinity to the point where they use it as a moral compass, peddling folk tales about  correlations between fashion/music tastes and testosterone and advocating Templar Christendom.

They are the original "angry white males", the armchair historians who root for the tyrants, the neocon Republicans, and the right-wing podcasters rocking the airwaves. Most of our popular right-wing pundits online are Gen X or early-Millennial:

- Alex Jones (b. 1974)

- Mark Dice (b. 1977)

- Jordan Peterson (b. 1962)

- Steven Crowder (b. 1987)

- Gavin Mc Innes (b. 1970)

- Glenn Beck (b. 1964)

- Ben Shapiro (b.Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Why did this thread get anchored? It seems like an interesting topic.



Mods are shit cointelprocunts and anchor everything




What does he/she mean by this?



its xir you fucking bigot

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French riot police are now deployed with semi-automatic weapons and live ammunition against Yellow Vest protestors as Macron's law and order crisis spirals

>Officers were filmed brandishing weapons by Arc de Triomphe in Paris today

>Riot police were on crowd control duty today facing off a mob of Gilet Jaunes

>Rifles at demonstration by unarmed citizens show how Macron crisis intensifies

>Last week former conservative minster said live fire should be used on 'thugs'


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>Im entirely pro-gun but the truth is Macron would have a much easier time suppressing this if there was a threat of civilians with guns.

No he wouldn’t, their would be a civil war already if in France their was a gun behind every blade of grass.


> Also your association of the 2nd Amendment with existing to ensure freedom is idealistic, it was pure pragmatism in a slave country on the frontier to make sure there was always a militia ready to stop slave rebellions/Indian raids.

Kinda but not really. The main reason for the 2A was that when the US was founded it was boarded on all sides by European Powers and wanted to be able to defend it’s self in it was invaded by said powers. It was also used in the frontier and still used in rural areas to keep order and protect common law because the state than was unable to use the police to enforce the law, and now they don’t want to pay to enforce the law their. Now while this has pretty nationalist and reactionary origins, replace the police with groups of armed workers is prety revolutionary and the left shouldn’t hesitate to use concepts that have reactionary origins if doing so advances our goals.



Look at what happened in Waco or Rajneeshpuram to see what happens when 'the wrong sort of people' get guns. Sure, it could have been good in theory, but in practice the entire force of the state comes crashing down, and no militia can survive an assault by mass media, let alone the US army/police.



>chuck e cheese's not allowing guns on the premises is anti-2A

Shit like this is how anti-gun politics spread in spite of gun control not alleviating crime. Americans are ruining the principles of civil rights with their inane lumpen culture that makes people think the right to bear arms is for dangerous inbreds.



>Look at what happened in Waco or Rajneeshpuram to see what happens when 'the wrong sort of people' get guns.

Those weren’t mass movements through. When their is an armed mass movement revolution becomes inevidble.



Do masses of cops moving count as a mass movement?

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How exactly are we dependent on the imperialized world for our wealth in the rich countries? Only commodities I know that we gain from them are sugar from South America, clothes from Cambodia/Bangladesh, oil from Angola, Nigeria and MENA and cocoa beans from Latin-America/SS africa. But what about the minerals from Australia/Chile/Russia/Sweden, trees from Canada/Funland/USA and electronics/cars from China and India? I know some of those countries have cheap labou but they are not imperialized.

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A large chunk of GDP from western nations is dependent on Imperialism, but this is mostly concentrated in the Bourgieous, and you average western prol isn’t dependent on imperialism that much. Also socdem reforms don’t require Imperialism.


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cheap labour used to…?




the point of the thread is to find out if the reason the countries in north-western europe have so good conditions because of the third world or because they have a good economic system. Why is a large chunk of gdp dependent on imperialism then?



>the point of the thread is to find out if the reason the countries in north-western europe have so good conditions because of the third world or because they have a good economic system. Why is a large chunk of gdp dependent on imperialism then?

America and Western Europe have geography that allows for cheep transportation, easily accessible coal for cheep energy, and large amounts of capital prior to industrialization. And they industrialized before the rest of the world did so. They also tend to have high literacy rates both now and historically compared to the rest of the world.



Capital accumulates. When it does inveitably there must be losers and sometimes the losers are whole continents.


They are the reserve army of labor driving down wages on a global scale. If you dumb proles don't stop bitching I'm moving production overseas and all that will be left here is sales and HR.

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Did western countries build their wealth from colonialism and imperialism? Does anyone know any good mainstream sources that support or debunk this claim?

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thank you


one is past another one is the present.



>Afaik India and China had same economic output as Europe until Britain and France invaded them.

The revisionist estimates that hold that China and Britain were on the same level until the 18th century just aren’t plausible in my view. The claim that living standards were the same is based on the fallacious reasoning of comparing the money wage of European workers with that of the grain-wages of Indian/Chinese workers.

I suppose if you only wanted to eat grain then that is significant but when you look at difference in the money wages between both groups the difference is enormous even in the 17th century. Since both regions were peasant majority it’s worth noting that even European discoverers from that noted horrific poverty among the peasantry. The upper-classes in Asia were quite rich but the lower-classes not-so-much and the parity in output has more to do with their huge populations than has to do with equal efficiency or equal living standards.

Even Maddison, who was quite sympathetic to revisionist claims about Asia, did not set the standard of living for this period that much above bare-bones subsistence. Asian societies in his view probably had a per capita standard of living of $600-700 whereas the richest parts of Europe were around $1000. Not an enormous divergence, mind you, but a divergence nonetheless.

Read the first article I posted for more in-depth info on this admittedly complex subject.

>Everyone knows that roads were build for resources extraction only.

But development for exploitation is still a kind of development. Capitalism itself is exploitative development.

>People were enslaved and kidnapped, zero schools, hospital and factories were build.

No argument that people were abused and enslaved but at the same time schools, hospitals and factories *were* actually built. Every university in Africa up until the late 60s was literally built by European colonizers. IPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


Scandinavia is wealthy, but only two of their countries ever had anything to do with colonialism, and even then, it was short reigns of tiny patches of land with no significant wealth.

But reality doesn't have much say around here.

Scandianavia is wealthy because it secretly extracted the wakandan alien sci-fi substance and then "whitewashed" history.



Scandinavia is rich because of timber, oil,fossil fuel, iron, gold and other natural riches.



Are you a nazi? The meme clearly says otherwise - it's colonialism.

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We're currently establishing a local chapter in Göttingen/Germany and are thinking about ways to reach and ally with other preexisting leftist groups. The key question is whether there is any room for cooperation.

What are this board's thoughts on DiEM25?

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>Czech Pirate party wants to achieve something inherently at odds with capitalism

Except they think their project is totally compatible with capitalism, if not they would be against capitalism itself, not just an aspect of it.


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>yeah mate fuck even the possibility of enacting some change to help the hunderds of millions of exploited european workers, just leave the eu

you do realize that like 90% of "leave the eu" propontents are reactionaries who'll make everything worse for the average person. Voting for EU reformists is the best thing we can do, outside open rebellion and revolution. And we all know that in it's current state, the european working class is not even close to being class concious enough to start an insurrection.

>IMPOSSIBLE for Greece, Portugal, Ireland, etc. to be socialist as long as the EU exists and lives and breathes.

yeah and the EU will live and breathe no matter how many frankly, irrelevant shitholes leave it. Germany is the backbone of the EU, it's the head of the neoliberal hydra, with a yolk so powerful, simply "leaving the eu" will not let a country break free free from her imperialist leash.

it's reformism or uprising. No inbetween.



>you do realize that like 90% of "leave the eu" propontents are reactionaries who'll make everything worse for the average person

>when you leave the EU all the non-reactionaries vaporise



>It's called reading between the lines mate

Maybe you should start reading the actual lines then.

>I've seen you're lot before: we used to piss on your heads in the olds days of leftypol. Don't act like some big bollocks because you called someone you don't like a liberal you infantile wankstain.

Fucking lol, says the guy who doesn't even know what 'anti-capitalism' means. Unlike you I actually know about these know about some of these parties. Alternativet has no systemic critique and their policies have always been vague. Their notion of a greener future is more electric cars on the roads. You can't even call them socdem. They are never going to challenge liberalism or the status quo in general. If you want to see a 'green party' that isn't a bunch of waffling libs, look at the red-greens, and guess what: they're against the EU.

I don't even know why I am arguing with you, because it's plain to see that you have nothing worthwhile to say.


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>yeah mate fuck even the possibility of enacting some change to help the hunderds of millions of exploited european workers, just leave the eu

There is NO possibility of enacting change you retard. When will you get that through your dumb neolibtard EU-propaganda infested brain? It's literally INSCRIBED into the FOUNDING EU TREATIES that prohibit spending above a certain amount!

What is easier, ONE party winning ONE election to leave the EU or a billion different parties winning elections across Europe simultaneously to finally put a strong Left in position to amend the EU treaties?

>simply "leaving the eu" will not let a country break free free from her imperialist leash.

Again, WRONG. The Euro currency in addition to the European institutions and whole setup of the EU is the source of Germany's power. Breaking free from both is breaking free from German imperialism.

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>The human species will divide into elites and plebs

>Elites will come into being as the wealthy elite can afford to tinker with their DNA; they will biologically and and artificially upgrade themselves

>The plebs will be the masses too poor to afford said upgrades and "die off" i.e. exterminated

>A.I. will outpace everyone regardless, and likely exterminate them unless they're submissive to its will

>All of this assumes war and climate change don't wipe us out before said developments

>But, lol, everything on this planet is doomed anyways. Without inter-galactic space travel, not even our elites and a.i. superiors have a chance

Is he right?

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That assumes that a.i. hasn't risen to the top of the food chain and displaced human elites. It also assumes that material wealth is going to continue being the product of humans laboring and not smart machines. As for his expertise, the field of a.i. is just math, and I think he had a pretty good grasp of that. I'm sure he studied the relevant literature in journals and understood the state of the science better than most but the preeminent in the field.



Hawking wasn’t an expert in AI and it isn’t “just math”.

Computers at the moment are little more than really, really advanced calculators and function in ways intrinsically different to our organic brains. For one, they cannot conceive original thought and it’s doubtful an AI would ever become genuinely self-aware. A lot of this is highly dubious speculation based on the false premise that current trends will continue (that computing efficiency will go up and up forever and never taper off) and use this to claim that their sci-do novels will become real.

Even if you somehow could produce a fully sapient and self-aware AI, it’s highly doubtful it would become Skynet. It doesn’t really make sense why an AI would adopt our own irrational tendencies without us intentionally programming them in for some reason.



Did he read H.G. Wells The Time Machine for the first time?


Lol. Everyone is either going to be a cop or a drug dealer. Well they would if the current system could survive automation. Everybody knows it can't except for Capitalists. Your robots will make products that nobody can afford to buy because the majority are all unemployed. The MIC isn't going to back you because lets just face the facts here, ruling over an empire mindless assembly line machines isn't thrilling or fun. You are going to gets Communism or a boot on your throat.


There is one major fault here. Gene edition isn't that expensive right now, at least by first world standards. It's "just" a few tens of thousands of dollars right now and likely to become much cheaper once allowed by regulation agencies as economies of scale kick off.

Like cars, computers and phones, i see no reason to think artificial cybernetic upgrades would be exceedingly expensive either once economies of scale kick in.

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A member of parliament for Germany’s far-right AfD party was severely beaten in the street in Bremen on Monday evening in what police said was probably a politically motivated attack.

Frank Magnitz, who is also the AfD’s Bremen chairman, was seriously injured by three masked men who knocked him out with a piece of wood and kicked him in the head as he lay on the ground, the AfD’s branch in the city said in a statement on Facebook.

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wasnt that guy dishonorably discharged?


Wasn’t that guy married to a Turk and isn’t AFD just lukewarm centrist?



You got proof of your allegation concerning the editorial staff in “MSM” German media being required to represent American and Israeli interests?


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AfD is center right with real fascists leaving for pic related



*One bloke leaving for it, remember the centrists left the AfD left to form Die Blaue Partei.

AfD is still pretty radical right wing considering its leader says Germany should be proud of its achievement in WWII.

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How often did they fuck each other in the ass, comrades?


Why do you think Engels let Marx stay in the apartment? Boipussy was the rent


>implying they didn’t plow pussy all day



Marx was actually the seme Engels was the uke.

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no matter how much i despise those poltards. i still dont believe in the holocaust. can somebody change my mind?

>not a nazbol btw




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Marx was an extreme anti-Semite.

Hating Jews is pretty irrelevant to your politics.

The best argument for Jews controlling media is we get an oscar winning holocaust movie every election cycle and literally no one has anything to say about the Slavic extermination in WW2.

It's all irrelevant though. Remember how Marxists used to be committed to 'ruthless criticism'? Now no one wants to investigate anything that might 'lead to bad ideas'.

The only reason not to investigate this is that we gain nothing from knowing whether 6 million or 200'000 were killed in the camps. However in the case that we intend to speak on it then we ought to know and there is no reason to out right dissuade someone from investigating it and sharing their results.



If the figure weren't in the ballpark of six million then the USSR would of disputed it. They didn't dispute the number. It might be slightly lower or higher.

Also I don't understand the point of anti antisemitism. It seems like it's been a thing so long that people think "well they must be evil". And this probably goes back to them being moneylenders in preindustrial societies.

There's no real reason to be an anti semite unless you ideologically or pathologically need an "other" that is undermining society.



I honestly hate the LARPing /pol/tards in the thread defending hitler and showing their true colors /s


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Lebanese Envoy Urges UN to Act Against Israel Border Wall

Lebanese Ambassador to the United Nations Amal Mudallali filed a complaint with the UN Security Council on Sunday over Israel’s construction of a concrete wall on its border with Lebanon.Mudallali accused Israel of violating Lebanese sovereignty by continuing to build the wall and other structures inside Lebanon and at points along the blue line near Kibbutz Misgav Am.


Polish Mayor Dies In Stabbing Attack During Charity Event

The mayor of the Polish city of Gdansk, Pawel Adamowicz, has died a day after he was stabbed in the heart and abdomen at a charity event attended by thousands of people.Adamowicz, 53, was onstage after speaking at Sunday's finale of the annual Great Orchestra of Christmas Charity event, which raises money for medical equipment to treat sick children.


Take our outstretched hand, Germany's Weber urges UK lawmakers

German conservative Manfred Weber, who is running to take over the European Union’s top job this year, urged British lawmakers on Monday to approve Prime Minister Theresa May’s Brexit deal, which he said could not be renegotiated.


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>the axis were only bad for Europeans

Are you fuckinh kidding me?




Oh shit nigger what are you doing


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Politically, my dude.

China got Mao. The rest got some measure of independence.

Soviets were the majority of casualties in Europe, but it's not really what European has-been imperialists bitch about.



Russia is a reactionary shithole. Not sure why some people here have a boner for an openly anti-communist oligarchy.

The only redeeming factor is that what little they have is directed against American/NATO hegemony.


>Critically support Nazi Germany in its struggle against the hegemonic British empire


They still have their colonies by different means. "Winds of Change" was always a PR farce; as European bureaucrats pulled out they left in their wake (deliberately) ungovernable states, geared towards western commodity exports. Those that resisted (Kwame Nkrumah, Sankara, Lumumba, Gadaffi, etc.) were sabotaged or outright deposed, then replaced by corrupt puppets. Often leading to decades of stagnation and civil war.


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Evo has been pretty based as far as bourgeois politicians go, but he’s still just a socdem. There’s also still crippling poverty and widespread homelessness in Bolivia, and rural areas are extremely poor. Imo if Cuba can achieve the levels of development that it has then there’s definitely more Bolivia can be doing.

t. Just got back from Bolivia

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Are there any relevant marxist critiques of Shulamnith Firestone and other marxists calling for abolition of the gender?

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It's not cryptofash at all, but it is transhumanist-socialist-feminist.

If that makes no sense to you, then give The Dialectic of Sex a read.



>artificial reproduction

So according to her to make women free, we should make people robots?

Omg, I hate this transhumanist shit



Artificial reproduction doesn't even imply changing anything with the human body. You could just have machines which work as artificial wombs. In fact that's exactly what she must be arguing for considering why she argues for it.



>artificial wombs

Which level of absurdistan should we have according to her to completely liberate women?



>artificial reproduction

Sounds to me like Posadas for feminists

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