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 No.2864391[Reply]

Finland election: voters may pick first leftist prime minister in two decades

Finland may usher in its first leftist prime minister in two decades in parliamentary elections on Sunday, as voters worry over the future of their welfare system amid the rising costs of caring for a rapidly ageing population.But if opinions polls are correct, the left-leaning Social Democrats’ ability to govern may be hampered by a surge in support for the Finns party.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/14/finland-election-social-democrats-lead-polls-finns-party

WATCH chaotic scenes as police battle protesters in Yellow Vest ‘capital’ Toulouse on ‘Act 22’

Footage shows riot police struggling to contain Yellow Vest protesters on the tear-gas-filled streets of Toulouse, France during clashes in which 43 people were arrested and more than a dozen were injured.

https://www.rt.com/news/456485-yellow-vests-toulouse-footage/

Cuban president calls for strengthened defenses, economy in response to Trump threats

Cuban President Miguel Diaz-Canel accused the Trump administration on Saturday of dragging relations with the United States to their worst level in decades and called on Cubans to strengthen the Communist-run country’s defenses and economy.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cuba-usa/cuban-president-calls-for-strengthened-defenses-economy-in-response-to-trump-threats-idUSKCN1RP0PM

Extinction Rebellion: Shell HQ windows smashed as climate protest blocks London roads

Three men have been arrested after the London headquarPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.2864507

>>2864505

Than why did you just say Bernie cares about global socialism?


 No.2864514

>>2864507

I didn't.


 No.2864517

>>2864507

You misread that guy fam.


 No.2864529

>>2864517

>>2864514

Oh shit I'm sorry fam I'm pretty drunk right now


 No.2864600

>>2864429

didn't their voting share decrease by a bit? Honestly the election looks like nothing has changed.




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 No.2864557[Reply]

what is your thoughts on destiny??

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 No.2864703

>>2864557

I've watched a lot of destiny, and I think the main reason he hasn't actually become a socialist is that most socialists he has had on his stream have been brainlets, barring a couple. One of his buddies, Hasan Piker (Cenk Ogre's nephew lol) is a self proclaimed communist, though he is anti-ML.


 No.2864734

>>2864703

Why don't you go on then Mr big brain wojak?


 No.2864787

>>2864734

Cause I'm a brainlet. Duh.


 No.2865065

>>2864703

There was one guy that was relatively intelligent. But Destiny completely ignored almost every point they made, like he gave absolutely no shits about the argument at all.

>>2864557

Destiny is all right, he's just very anti-revolution. He views it as a bunch of LARPers fantasizing about mass murder. But he's not as anti-socialist as most libs.


 No.2865118

>>2864557

He is to BreadTube what an ideal version of Rubin would be to the IDW

>>2864703

>>2865065

he is a sharp person who doesn't read. Honestly the people who he debates with either don't highlight too much of the inherent failure of capitalism and bourgeois democracy to get what he wants, or doesn't illustrate or sell American- brand or heritage of socialism well.




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 No.2864321[Reply]

Would white people be accepted in a Communist society or is it for non-whites only?

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 No.2864339

White females will be expropriated by the state and distributed to the (black) prole according to their need.


 No.2864345

Of course, Commissar Jamal would feel empty inside without commissar Cletus.

Women aren't allowed though.


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 No.2865056

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>>2864332

im ok with that


 No.2865857

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>>2864323

Today I will remind them.




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 No.2864215[Reply]

>describe in no less than 2 sentences why Not Socialism isn't really socialism

*gulp*

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 No.2864261

>>2864215

Socialism aims to unite the proletariat in order to end Capitalist exploitation. Not Socialism aims to unite the race in order to perserve Capitalist exploitation.


 No.2864285

>In an April 29, 1938 message to the Congress, Franklin D. Roosevelt warned that the growth of private power could lead to fascism:

>[T]he liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism—ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power.[3][4][5] […] Statistics of the Bureau of Internal Revenue reveal the following amazing figures for 1935: "Ownership of corporate assets: Of all corporations reporting from every part of the Nation, one-tenth of 1 percent of them owned 52 percent of the assets of all of them."[3][5]

Here's two sentences since you evidently seem to have a problem with reading too many words:

Socialism is a worker's state.

Fascism is a state owned by private individuals.


 No.2864411

>>2864215

Socialism is class war.

Not Socialism is class collaboration.


 No.2864531

socialism: collective and democratic ownership of the means of production by the proletariat.


 No.2865457

>>2864215

Not socialism fuses the state and businesses to make more money for the businesses..

Socialism abolishes businesses.




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 No.2864190[Reply]

I’ve recently came to the conclusion that Marx had it all wrong. If we define exploitation as the appropriation of a surplus, and look to the most fundamental of all surpluses necessary for the very maintenance of human civilization from the dawn of agricultural onwards to present day, we arrive at the farmer. The production of surplus by the farmer allowed for the division of labor and growth of parasitic non-agricultural classes on top of it. As all other classes – including the bourgeoisie and proletariat – exploit the surpluses of farmers to even stay alive in the first place, they are exploiters and the farmer exploited. This is much more dire than the traditional view concerning surplus value. Exploitation is an inverse pyramid, with the majority brutally oppressing a civilization-sustaining agrarian producer-class.

AGRICULTURALISM = BASE

CIVILIZATION = SUPERSTRUCTURE

The goal here for the liberation of this fundamental producing class is to topple the inverse pyramid, cast of the weights. And this farmer, like Atlas holding up the skin, shall return to subsistence levels, free of a world of exploitation and parasitism. Marxists ONLY look at the superstructure, never looking at the true civilization sustaining fundamentals of class-society. Through this model we see that the proletariat is not exploited, but is himself an exploiter just like the bourgeoisie. Both have an interest in maintaining the exploitative and parasitical structure of modern society.

UPROOT FOOD PARASITES

TOPPLE THE SUPERSTRUCTURE

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 No.2864203

At least in the US, most farming is done by huge agricultural firms. Not to mention they constantly take money to NOT work.


 No.2864206

Unironically, organising farmers is something the left needs to work on.


 No.2864207

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>>2864203

>most farming is done by huge agricultural firms.

These are part of a civilization-sustaining group pooling its resources for efficiency — an economy of scale. It’s the natural result of growing populations and hence growing exploitation of agricultural by parasitical elements of society. It’s only necessary DUE TO exploitation. Mega-corps only exist due to the strain placed on their shoulders


 No.2864246

>>2864190

It’s the big buyers of crops and meat who are doing the exploitation. Other proletarians don’t have a choice.


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 No.2864132[Reply]

Would you live in a commune? Why or why not?

>first, egalitarianism – that communes specifically rejected hierarchy or graduations of social status as being necessary to social order. Second, human scale – that members of some communes saw the scale of society as it was then organized as being too industrialized (or factory sized) and therefore unsympathetic to human dimensions. And third, that communes were consciously anti-bureaucratic.

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 No.2864145

>>2864139

>children interrelationships are exact 1:1 representation of how societies function

these fucking people. If a child wants to place his or her hand on the stove out of morbid curiosity, does that mean we should base our economy and modes of production so that they maximize burned limbs for everyone equally?


 No.2864147

>>2864139

Oh yeah the Kibbutzim were 100% a dream become a beast (as Daniel Kahn describes zionism as a whole), but being a 20-year-old living on one of them before the paranoia of the 1960s took hold does sound comfy. I've always wonder if Kibbutzim could be used as a mechanism of peace in the same they were used in settle: I.E: establishing new Kibbutzim and inviting back Palestinian refugees beyond the Green Line. 'Tis but a pipe dream but still I wonder.

Regardless, I do think the Kibbutzim would make a good model of what to do with old shopping-centres, creating insular communities where people work and live communally: an experiment for the post-neoliberal world me-thinks.

>>2864145

Lol: he is right tho. The Amish actually let their teenagers and young men out the society for a bit and let them drink, whore, and drive as much as they like. Once they get it "out of their system", the vast majority of the time they return.


 No.2864165

i would live on a commune if it wasn't full of the kind of people who generally want to live on a commune and it was somewhat close to a big city


 No.2864166

would never be with degenerates.


 No.2864780

>>2864132

Is a Commune not just a very close community with communal property? I like my privacy and not sharing my own personal belongings ie meme communal toothbrush/car/clothing etc but I wouldn't really mind living in an actual 21st century working class communal society. Not so much some shitty hippie park,free loader,radlib place with communal showers and autistic anti-vax tier people.




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 No.2863209[Reply]

Redpill me on Maoism. Which text should I read? Did you know about Mao's mago story? https://chineseposters.net/themes/mao-mangoes.php

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 No.2863982

>>2863232

he literally cites jung chang, just straight up propaganda because he doesn't give a shit


 No.2864013

Could someone familiar with Mao and the surrounding history explain to me why Maoists always talk about "the masses" instead of the proletariat? Is it a simple catch all to include peasants and lumpens? Because while that makes sense it seems to be a vague term used vaguely by contemporary Maoists, and has some inherent ahistorical overlap with populist and even fascist appeals to "The People."


 No.2864039

>>2863275

>Maos understanding of imperialism becoming the primary contradiction and leading to revolutionary potential throws a lot of previous ideas in Marxism into question.

In what way, I am actually curious.


 No.2864079

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>>2863275

>In my opinion cultural Revolution is an attempt to solve the fundamental contradiction in Marxism-Leninism, which is the relation of the party to the masses. It is this contradiction that gives rise to revisionism… …What makes all this pretty depressing is that the cultural Revolution failed in a pretty colossal way

The Cultural Revolution failed, because it was already too late at that stage to try something like that. The contradiction you speak of can't be resolved within the party, and it can't be resolved from without once the DoP has been established, or at least it will be extremely difficult.

The contradiction needs to be resolved (or rather, contained) at the very structure of the state as it's being established. In order to prevent revisionism, we need a robust governing power for the masses themselves to counterbalance and oversee the Party. While the Party holds the ultimate power over the economy, foreign policy, military matters and law making, we should have a People's Assembly to whom the Party is answerable.

I remember Cockshott talking about some form of Greek radical democracy, where people were chosen at random instead of electoral politics. This is how we should set it up. Every four years or so every adult citizen who hasn't served a term already needs to stand for election, and the people are chosen at random. We should have quotas for expertise and so on, but you get the idea. The Assembly's sole job is to oversee that the Party is acting in accordance to the constitution and the benefit of the people.


 No.2864092

>>2864013

Well i think its because Mao and the CPC did things without the Proletariat. The Chinese Communist Party tried to organize urban workers until 1927, when they were violently driven out of the cities and forced into the countryside. Following this they noticed that the peasants had Revolutionary potential and that they didnt need the Proletariat to make Revolution. Their Praxis and experience shows this empirically. So the Marxist focus on the Proletariat is kinda thrown into question, hence the term 'the masses'. Instead of a struggle between Bourgeois and Proletarian, the Maoists mobilize 'the masses' against imperialism.

>>2864039

Because it breaks with the Marxist tradition of focusing on the Proletariat as the revolutionary agent, and it does so succesfully. This might lead one to question the deeper assumptions behind the traditional Marxist understanding of class struggle.




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 No.2863930[Reply]

It seems to me right now (and perhaps for all of human history) most people, proletariat and bourgeoise alike, don't really wish to involve themselves in politics, they wish to remain encapsulated in a centrist stance towards the world's problems. Do you think socialism could change this phenomenon? i dislike hypothetical threads in the vein of "what will this thing be like in socialism", but this interests me.

 No.2863934

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I've seen the term the "depoliticization of politics" quite a few times here and I've noticed it too. Lots of people are voting candidates like they are youtuber of the year awards or something. I think liberal democracy is in full decline


 No.2863948

People are dumb sheep who only want bread and circuses. 90% of people won’t care what type of government they live under as long as they’re living comfortably. Stop falling for the democracy meme


 No.2864066

People are uninterested or lack understanding of politics because the whole system is built on the assumption that people are uninterested and lack understanding of politics. people are uninterested and don't know anything about politics because the actual decision making has been delegated away from them and this doesn't demand them to think about actual policies. All this degrades politics into a competition and the candidates are elected based of feels, memes and personalities and not so much based of actual policy positions. It's a vicious cycle that permeates everything in our culture. Recently it has even started to affect even more politicians who have grown in this liberal hellworld and who have also started to show sings of not understanding jack shit about the matters of the state and how to run a liberal democracy, just like their voter base.

The left really should be pushing direct democracy to the mainstream. The worst scenario is that people really are stupid idiots and the it only hastens the collapse of capitalism with dysfunctional state. Or in the best case scenario people start questioning their believes about economics and our society when they are forced to look into politics more in depth.


 No.2864085

>>2863930

no. politics are boring and only autists care. all politicians are autists. me, I'm a stirnerist.




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 No.2863935[Reply]

I have some trouble trusting things on the internet, so can anyone explain to me exactly what they believe?

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 No.2863943

>>2863940

I honestly never cared for it so I'm not familiar with it.


 No.2863949

>>2863943

Then maybe don't use terms you havn't familiarized yourself with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_in_One_Country


 No.2864074

The russian NazBols (Drugaya Rossiya to be specific) basically want nationalist social democracy. Nothing more nothing less.


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 No.2871771

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>>2863940

>>2864074

I think they were also into some kind of anti-materialistic and pro-theistic tenets, like 'German Socialism' (Strasserism) with Russian characteristics.




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 No.2864064[Reply]

Serious talk only. Would she? I found this when I was walking and figured like asking you guys.

 No.2864071

what does it say?


 No.2864072

>>2864071

I don't speak german but i guess it says Rosa Luxemburg would vote AfD (far right party)

>>2864064

ofc not




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 No.2863801[Reply]

You people so retarded you literally tried to kill every sparrow in China lmao what a joke

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 No.2863914

File: d42020674cf6785⋯.jpg (226.35 KB, 1138x1074, 569:537, Screenshot_20190414-205114….jpg)

This is why


 No.2863916

>>2863914

This is something Mao would say unironically tbh, btw what does that quote "everything under heaven is chaos, the situation is excellent" mean? is it supposed to be a reference to how the dissatisfaction of the masses must be lead by socialists into class consciousness?


 No.2863923

>>2863916

If I had to guess, he may be referring to classical eastern philosophy, I'm not an expert on it so don't ask me.


 No.2863966

>>2863916

>>2863923

No you fucking brainlets, that was just an offhand comment about the growing chaos and civil war in China and how CPC will gain from it.

Makes me doubt your previous statements about him.


 No.2863970

>>2863966

>offhand comment

cool one

>Makes me doubt your previous statements about him.

i'm definitely not a teacher on maoism, no




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 No.2845332[Reply]

A thread for discussion of politics in countries that don't really deserve their own thread.

I'll start the ball rolling: The President of Kazakhstan just resigned after 30 years in power, and the Ukrainian Presidential election and Israeli Parliamentary election are within a month.

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 No.2863744

>>2863698

oh look, socdem incel is back


 No.2863751

>>2863744

Isn't the incel socdem another guy? Or are there two?


 No.2863770

>>2863722

At least according to Finnish chans who where 80% backing Finns party are swearing that we are going to have communism and the whole Finnish state will now collapse since social democrats are going to be the PM party for first time since 1999.

>>2863744

Wrong again, that dude is Swedish.


 No.2863969

>>2863770

Seems kinda dumb to be outraged considering that not much has changed electorally wise except the decline of the centre party




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 No.2863830[Reply]

Hi! I have a big question for /leftypol/.

As you know we live in a neoliberal world and need many electronic products for many things (E-Mails, cellphones, refrigerators, computers, etc.) and many of this products are own by monopolies.

What can we do (as consumers and leftist) to fight big Tech monopolies?

As for me, I have deleted my Facebook, Amazon and Gmail.

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 No.2863833

install gentoo


 No.2863834

>>2863830

Nationalize the tech monopolies.


 No.2863838

>>2863833

This

>>2863834

And collectize them into working for GNU Foundation.


 No.2863866

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 No.2863925

Become illegalist and hack their shit.




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 No.2863611[Reply]

Why do leftists pretend to support the working class while really hating them?

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 No.2864314

>>2863671

You are the person being talked about, since the subtext of this sentiment is "white people as a distinct ethnocultural group are dangerous and need to be destroyed"


 No.2864316

>>2863762

"why do people think we're out of touch elitists?"


 No.2864700

>>2864316

>implying neets are the working class


 No.2864817

>>2863634

The term just refers to true believers of God. Similar to the old saying "I only fear God himself"…etc. it doesn't mean they actually live in perpetual fear of God lol.


 No.2864823

>>2864817

Trump fearing Americans are everywhere today.




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 No.2863164[Reply]

anyone got some propaganda on civil disobedience / direct action to share? here with it

 No.2863173

File: 51505a050b9493e⋯.jpeg (Spoiler Image, 116.84 KB, 800x450, 16:9, 2106b36591674eddf8d403645….jpeg)

The most direct action you can get


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