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File: 4d2e222566ef3d8⋯.jpg (219.41 KB, 1406x1000, 703:500, nkp.jpg)

 No.36983

Making this thread for the express purpose of discussing the Current Geo-Political Situation / Debating about / General Discussion about the D.P.R.K and so on

Preferably this thread could serve the same Purpose as the DPRK thread on /left*pol/ with it being the containment thread for discussions about the DPRK

Also if someone can get the Tank-poster whose been to NK who as far as i know still posts on the DPRK thread /left*pol/ to come here that would be nice

 No.36993

Boy, they sure love red flags, huh?


 No.37012

File: 52b4c65c1545702⋯.jpg (38.83 KB, 700x700, 1:1, kim_raughs at you.jpg)

>>36983

>Also if someone can get the Tank-poster whose been to NK who as far as i know still posts on the DPRK thread /left*pol/ to come here that would be nice

he's here too as you can see from the left-wing nationalism thread

I applaud his persistence in shooting down lazy anti-DPRK propaganda if not his single-minded apologetics. Like a DPRK-defending Grover Furr - to be taken with more than just a mere grain of salt.

Anyway-to start this off, there's been talk of a Trump-Kim summit, will it happen and what does it mean? The real context is of course NKs accession into a nuclear-armed state, which allows them far more breathing room. Combined with the current less hawkish rule in Seoul I think there's going to be a warming in relations in the Korean peninsula.


 No.37016

i support the DPRK in being anti imperialist anti American - they can eat shit in nearly every other regard imo. The westerners praising North Korea who've never been there and believe state propaganda are just as silly as the people who buy into all the anti-NK junk


 No.37039

>>37016

What if after living in SK I dont give a flying fuck what happens to any of those pathological assholes on that peninsula?


 No.37064

Heh, tourists seem to have a way easier time in Japan in comparison to S. Korea. This seems to the usual experience, don't know why.


 No.37072

>>37012

The chances of any meeting between the US and NK being Productive and resulting in anything more then the Burgers walking off because NK dosent want to give up all their nukes and get Libya'd and screeching about how those ebil monsters didnt want peaceTM but at least they tried


 No.37093

>>36993

It's beautiful, isn't it?

>>37012

>I applaud his persistence in shooting down lazy anti-DPRK propaganda

I do as well, that thread is what made me a DPRK fan.

>>37016

> they can eat shit in nearly every other regard

And why do you think that is? It's kinda hard to prosper when you're the most sanctioned nation on the planet.


 No.37098

File: ac7cdbf2a25589d⋯.jpg (159.61 KB, 960x460, 48:23, gettyimages-626652784.jpg)

My feeling is that the U.S. should withdraw from Korea and reach some sort of accommodation with the DPRK, which I think has more support among its people than Westerners tend to assume – and the idea that its leaders are crazy is B.S. They are smart and have a plan.

Though I don't buy the hard pro-DPRK position that the nuclear program is just there to defend against the Yankee aggressor. North Korea has had a conventional deterrence for half a century with support from China, which would likely intervene if the United States launched a preemptive attack. Nuclear weapons are bargaining chips that the DPRK can trade in for a peace treaty and withdrawal of U.S. troops.

That would set up a bi-national confederation (beginning with an expanded trade zone) that the North Koreans have wanted for decades. It would eventually mean a single foreign policy with two domestic policies leading to reunification. There is a popular constituency in South Korea for this including the current president (pictured: the last, right-wing president who got flushed down the crapper).

There are even South Korean buddy-cop movies now; with one featuring a North Korean detective (who is the cool one). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSBGOM94PD4

There are South Korean incels who believe that if they lived in the DPRK they'd have a loving Juche wife who'd bring them chicken tendies. Loyalties there are more nationalistic to Korea as a nation than to the ROK as a republic or to its constitution.

This gives South Korean hardliners sweaty nightmares but they're old and marginal now. But the right-wing hardliners are not wrong to recognize the threat this poses to the ROK. A confederated (or reunified) Korea would still have the Workers' Party of Korea as a participating member that'd vote as a bloc and conceivably overpower the divided ROK. As Kim Il Sung told Todor Zhivkov:

>- Our first task is to pull South Korea away from Japan’s grasp and eliminate America’s military bases along the way towards the creation of a confederation.

>- We cannot agree to give up socialism. Along with raising the issue of establishing a confederation, we are consciously changing the name of our constitution. We made it socialist to strengthen the achievements of socialism in our country.

>- The confederation, for the creation of which we will insist, will be the retention of both forms – of their independence in domestic policy and joint activity in the area of foreign policy.

>- I can point out the following example: the name and the actions of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea as a socialist country will remain the same; South Korea will also keep its name as the Republic of Korea, and above both governments there will be a joint body which will act on behalf of the confederation only in the area of foreign policy. This, however, will not cover domestic policy – in this regard, both countries will act independently. I think that this is the only right approach.

>- If they listen to us and a confederation is established, South Korea will be done with. South Korea will have to reduce its army, we will reduce ours too. But this will bring about the elimination of the reactionary regime in South Korea, because without an army the people, themselves, will rise.

http://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/document/114533


 No.37101

File: 8340c664474e194⋯.png (514.64 KB, 720x720, 1:1, gay_juche_boyfriends.png)

Oh I forgot to add…

What I'm saying is that a reunified single-party Korea under the WPK is possible, maybe in our lifetimes. Americans will give you bug-eyed, disbelieving stares if you tell them this, but I believe it. Everything is falling into place for Kim Jong Un right now. And he has many decades to live and thinks long term.

"Buh… buh… what about the fact that South Korea is wealthier?"

That may not be in the case 30 or 40 years from now. Thirty or 40 years ago, South Korea was poorer than the North. The DPRK could certainly close much of the gap given enough time. And a reunified WPK-ruled Korea would not look like the North Korea of today. It'd look more like China – which is already looking not so bad compared to the persistently low-growth Western economies … that are also showing signs of political instability.

And just because South Koreans would not support a North Korean takeover doesn't mean it couldn't happen. Many of them might just accept it and go on with their lives, being preoccupied with other things. A WPK of the 2040s that would successfully manage that takeover would allow the South Koreans to keep their soap operas and video games.

China would also probably prefer this situation. A reformed, reunified Korea under the WPK that has kicked out U.S. troops and is aligned with China? That's a damn good scenario. Remember that the Communist Party of China thinks long term too, and Xi Jinping is now president for life…

Anyways here's a pic of some Juche boyfriends. Peace.


 No.37103

>>37064

So you are saying if we want qt leftist Asian GFs to go to Japan?


 No.37107

>>37101

That's a girl on the left.


 No.37130

>>37064

Do you have any proofs?


 No.37147

I'm really not interested in talking about the DPRK unless it's in the context of dissolving away the hypercapitalist hellscape that is modern South Korea.

>>37098

>>37101

Peaceful reunification could occur, but I don't see how it would be victory for a wider socialist project. It sounds more like a recipe for German reunification 2.0, where the East got permanently shafted.


 No.37148

>>37147

>I'm really not interested in talking about the DPRK unless it's in the context of dissolving away the hypercapitalist hellscape that is modern South Korea.

Then thank the titofag for making us a containment thread so future discussions don't get derailed.


 No.37151

The koreas are a good example of why the typical /pol/yp stupid mindset that everything is determined by the genes alone is utterly flawed and stupid.

Just a very few decades was enough to transform the norks into a bunch of midgets while the southerners just get higher and higher just to list one trait that has changed despite they being the exact same people ethnically you can very easily spot and differentiate a nork from a southerner.


 No.37163

>>37039

Why are you here then?


 No.37169

Are the stories about public executions and 4 generation murders/imprisonment true ?

If someone tries to escape via river are they shot in front of tourists?

What happens if a crime is commited in Pyongyang or other tourist-able zone , are they executed in front of tourists and they are forced to watch?

If tourist commits a crime is he publically executed?


 No.37174

>>37130

Go to youtube and search "living in Japan vs South Korea", or something to that affect. The only good thing people who've lived or visited both places say about S. Korea that I can remember is that they've got better coffee-house culture, whereas Japan's is more like a fast food kind of deal and less a place to relax.

The main complaint about S. Korea is that they're comparatively less nice, there's always a bigger language barrier (and thus also a cultural one as well. What these yankees often don't understand is that Koreans most probably despise them due to ideological anti-Americanism). Japan has also had a longer time to accustom themselves to western tourists; it's normalized throughout generations there. In S. Korea, getting western tourists is a relatively new thing. Japan has English customer support on many things, S. Korea does not.

Oh people also compliment the S. Korean subway system over Japan too.

Maybe S. Koreans are more accommodating to non-Anglos (the eight or so videos I watched of tourists were all US American or Australian), but they may also be racist (this is a known thing in regards to their treatment of sub-Saharan Africans at least).

>>37103

That seems to be the case. They (as well as the Chinese) are also relatively less race-spooked. Koreans are pretty much ethno-nationalists, whether we're talking north or south. Maybe that anal bullshit is able to be relaxed after the Reunification (as the two People can meet and fraternize again) - hopefully (for me/us, I find Koreans incredibly attractive and socioculturally interesting).


 No.37175

>>37169

On youtube there is CCTV of an army defector getting the crap shot out of him as he tried to get across the DMZ.

He stole a jeep but crashed it like a noob, he makes it across the border but then gets shot to shit.

Some south korean army dudes crawl up and pull him to safety.


 No.37189

>>37174

>the eight or so videos I watched

Mind to post those videos of people complaining?

Your youtube should be showing completely different results than mine because all I've found was some channels from expats and none of them seem to be complaining about the things you described.


 No.37195

>>37169

>If tourist commits a crime is he publicly executed?

No? North Korea doesn't have 'law's' in an official sense first of all, though being a fucking idiot and acting like a spy will get you detained/potentially shot. To be fair, this concept of 'dubious activity' has meant keeping people from taking basic tourist/non-military related photos in the past, though I believe they loosened up said restrictions as of late.


 No.37202

File: c6ba9804356b2e4⋯.jpg (106.39 KB, 705x598, 705:598, c6ba9804356b2e444646a73e21….jpg)

>>36983

I can post here.

>>37012

>Like a DPRK-defending Grover Furr - to be taken with more than just a mere grain of salt.

I consider it defending the indefensible. I mean, there is an ocean of piss surrounded the portrayal of the DPRK, so I don't see a reason to be overly critical, there are hundreds of agitators who will already do this for you. I've been asked about what I consider a negative aspect of the country and have also answered that. For example, a Marxist can't say with a straight face that the cult of personality is not a bit whacky, but it's important to notice where it comes from. Busts and portays of Kim Il Sung popped up even during or shortly after the war against the Japanese, when the DPRK wasn't even founded yet. I can totally see why anarchists would be appalled by it, but that doesn't mean you should engage in conjecture about how North Korean society truly is. Again, most of the times it comes down to the fact that I can't prove a negative, it's as simple as that. If one makes a falsifiable claim, it needs to be backed up. For example, simply because people are crying after the death of Kim Jong Il, doesn't mean they've been forced or paid by the state to do so. Plenty of Americans were hysterically crying when Kennedy was killed.

Regarding Grover Furr, has this guy been debunked so far? The only criticism I find valid of him is that he seemed to have used some of the evidence from the Moscow Trials during the Great Purge.

>>37098

>There are South Korean incels who believe that if they lived in the DPRK they'd have a loving Juche wife who'd bring them chicken tendies.

I've heard this as well. From what I gathered from South Korean comments under YouTube videos and on reddit, they wear a specific blue shirt which means that they secretely support Kim Jong Un. I don't know if this is true or a rumor.

>>37151

Not sure what you are saying, there was a famine between 1994-98, which means that children born in this period are shorter due to insufficient nutrition during pregnancy. It certainly is not a development over decades.

>>37169

Death penalty is reserved for the most severe crimes. I've never heard of public execution except from Yeonmi Park, whose been exposed for having tons of contradictions in her story and basically being a fraud:

http://jooparkblog.blogspot.de/2014/12/yeonmi-park-defector-who-fooled-world.html?showComment=1419417660898&m=1

Remember that these people get paid by South Korea, and they are basically minor celebs who make money giving TED talks by telling Tales from the Crypt: DPRK edition.

And no, you won't get executed in front of your fellow tourists. What the fuck anon.

>>37175

Let me ask you, what would US soldiers and the RoK soldiers do, when one of theirs would defect? It's not like South Korea doesn't shot the shit out of everybody who wants to go North too:

https://archive.fo/DWDDk

>>37195

They still tell you not to take pics of soldiers and military installations if you do it, but they tell you with a smile. Sometimes tourists can get really annoying by putting the camera into the face of military guide all the time, obviously he'd feel uncomfortable.


 No.37211

>>37202

>Not sure what you are saying

I'm saying that the environment and circumstances matters.


 No.37225

>>37169

>Are the stories about public executions and 4 generation murders/imprisonment true ?

No. If the generational imprisonment thing was true, everyone would be in prison. Seriously, think for a second just how dumb an idea that'd be.

>If someone tries to escape via river are they shot in front of tourists?

I don't even think the tourists get that close to the border, but no.


 No.37288

>>37202

>Let me ask you, what would US soldiers and the RoK soldiers do, when one of theirs would defect?

Probably a similar thing. But no soldier has tried to defect since the Korean war. As far as we know.

During the height of the war some US army soldiers bought in to the propaganda and defected. They ended up staring in the North Korean movie scene as the bad guys in every single movie.

You can find video interviews with them as well as the movies themselves. I think they were most taken aback by the huge rich and poor gap in best Korea. They were surprised it was worse than the US.


 No.37294

>>37147

>Peaceful reunification could occur, but I don't see how it would be victory for a wider socialist project. It sounds more like a recipe for German reunification 2.0, where the East got permanently shafted.

That might be what happens, but I don't think the DPRK is like East Germany. If it was, it would've collapsed already, is my feeling.

I'd add that East Germany proposed creating a bi-national confederation with West Germany, and was rejected. Moon Jae-in supports a confederation. So the political dynamics here are different.


 No.37299

File: 03cacdb18bc2579⋯.pdf (1.37 MB, 1b94017d7bc9a996a2019d8987….pdf)

>>37195

>No? North Korea doesn't have 'law's' in an official sense first of all

They do. Here a comprehensive essay.


 No.37325

>>37288

>I think they were most taken aback by the huge rich and poor gap in best Korea. They were surprised it was worse than the US.

I've read on comrade joe and at least he doesn't hold this opinion, got a source?


 No.37349

>>37325

It was a BBC documentary on Chris Jenkins. Not the guy who stayed but the guy who eventually resettled in Japan.

yeah I know BBC is propaganda but it was a candid interview on film


 No.40560

BBC Documentary on James Dresnok, American defector to DPRK:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GwBVMgPUH4


 No.40574

Does anyone have a mirror of this removed YT video about Pyongyang:

>>>/leftypol/2435766

It sounded very interesting


 No.40584


 No.40597

>>40574

It was only a guy walking around, not really interesting tbh.

The comments getting absolutely rectal ragnaroked over it was the true gold.


 No.40603

>>40584

Well played

>>40597

I'm more interested in the architecture though. Maybe there are other videos for that.


 No.40997

>>37169

>If tourist commits a crime is he publically executed?

They send you home in a coma and then you die a week later.

So technically no.


 No.41000

File: 151ea27b67d9a73⋯.webm (8.13 MB, 640x360, 16:9, kinokndr.webm)


 No.41003

>>37101

The North would be better off unifying with China.

If they were able to modernize their agriculture to the level of China or South Korea the people there would no longer have to survive on a starvation diet. But they would also no longer have a job. Because a few modern machines can do the work of thousands of peasent farmers.

South Korea has very little use for millions of uneducated farmers. But they could work in Chinas factories alongside uneducated migrant workers from the rural areas of China. They are already set up for that so the economic chaos would not be as long lasting.


 No.41013

>>41003

I've been thinking about this lately too. How the fuck are the north and south going to unify in any meaningful way? Will it merely be symbolic?

And yes it would make more sense if NK merged with China. Maybe they're too ethnocentric for that.

>If they were able to modernize their agriculture to the level of China or South Korea the people there would no longer have to survive on a starvation diet. But they would also no longer have a job. Because a few modern machines can do the work of thousands of peasent farmers.

I think this is exaggerated though. If that were the case then it would be the same for the Chinese, it's not like they've all got PhD's, their society still functions. I don't see how the PRC wouldn't be able to just give the North Koreans better equipment and some rudimentary courses or w/e to make them catch up.


 No.41037

>>41003

This isn't 1978 any more, China is trying to transition into a post-industrial service economy. It doesn't need a few million more impoverished factory proles.


 No.41050

>>41037

That's a very non-solidaristic mindset of you, anon.


 No.41110

>>41050

It's a very non-solidaristic mindset of Xi. That anon just pointed out what the PRC is doing.


 No.41278

>>40560

His sons are still alive in the DPRK.

https://web.archive.org/web/20170810152135/https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/05/25/the-north-korean-born-sons-of-an-american-defector-speak-in-korean/?utm_term=.97c6048fe5a5

>Ted: I heard a lot about his life. The more I hear, the more I think he chose the right path. Had he not come to North Korea, it wouldn’t have been possible for him to live as he does. He was much loved by the country and his small achievements were appreciated greatly. I think about the different life I would be living had my father been living in the U.S.

James: He was an orphan, but his misery wasn’t due to his or his family’s fault, rather it was due to American society. It’s due to policies made by the privileged in the U.S.

>Ted: My precious dream is to become a Workers’ Party member and pay back my gratitude to my general [Kim Jong Un]. I want to stand in a unified country by my general.

>Ted: The U.S. wants to make a big deal out of North Korean human rights issues. We are enjoying very equal and free lives here. But look at the U.S. A white police officer shoots a black citizen in clear daylight, treating black people's lives as if they were as worthless as flies. I want to tell Americans to break away from their leaders’ mindsets and begin peace negotiations with us. That’s the only way to save yourselves.


 No.41302

>>37202

>Regarding Grover Furr, has this guy been debunked so far?

I'm not sure, but he's definitely going into anything he does with the biased mindset that Stalin can't have done anything wrong. I feel like this pretty much dictates the sources he uses


 No.41305

I wish Tankies would disappear

the future is libertarian socialist or it's fascist. You want your bloody revolution and inevitable failed state because of central planning? Have at it but the blood is on your hands.


 No.41308

>>41305

>the future is libertarian socialist or it's fascist.

Why? Make an example of libertarian socialism, you think the USSR goverment ecc. enjoy being on the "authoritarian" side of things?


 No.41310

>>41308

>you think the USSR goverment ecc. enjoy being on the "authoritarian" side of things?

Under Stalin of fucking course. He was a thug who hijacked the international, turned Russian workers on German workers etc etc.


 No.41311

File: 2564e917fa535ed⋯.jpg (22.02 KB, 600x400, 3:2, Macrocephaly.jpg)


 No.41314

>>41311

fucking debunk what I said, then. Jesus Christ you god damn larpers are the worst. LITERALLY defending the people who killed the Socialist dream. Lenin turning in his grave


 No.41353

>>41302

>I'm not sure, but he's definitely going into anything he does with the biased mindset that Stalin can't have done anything wrong. I feel like this pretty much dictates the sources he uses

Fair enough, but I never see people actually engaging with his writings, they just insult him, say that he's not "peer-reviewed", or equate him with a Holocaust denier.


 No.41354

>>41314

>DEBUNK ME BRO

Why do you think your short, polemic sentence is worthy of a comprehensive reply? I mean, there are books about this topic. Read them.


 No.41398

>>41354

>Read my ideological revisonisms that justify everything that ever happened in the USSR

Bitch the USSR couldn't even cooperate with other ML shitholes and eventually collapsed like a drunk (>inb4 it was purely the west's fault!). The USSR was a catastrophic failure. By historical materialist standards The Indochinese, Cuba and the DPRK carried themselves better than them.

>there are books about this topic. Read them.

Funny, the historiography I've read largely leads to agreement with his general sentiment. ML state-capitalism has been a disaster that doesn't lead to socialism, in fact a lot of the time it spawns complete revisionisms (Stalinist abandonment of internationalism, Maoist postmodernism) or even separation from Marxism itself (Juche).


 No.41709

>>41398

>Bitch the USSR couldn't even cooperate with other ML shitholes

Stopping Capitalist Counter revolution is not "Not Cooperating"

>The USSR was a catastrophic failure. By historical materialist standards The Indochinese, Cuba and the DPRK carried themselves better than them.

Cuba and the DPRK at least based their systems on the USSR

And i would hardly call the USSR a Catastrophic fail when it provided the Highest standard of living in History to the People of Eastern Europe

>ML state-capitalism has been a disaster that doesn't lead to socialism

>ML state-capitalism

Nice Buzzwords

>in fact a lot of the time it spawns complete revisionisms

>(Stalinist abandonment of internationalism

Stalin Never Abandoned Internationalism

You clearly just hear "Socialism in one country" and assume it somehow equalled abandoning Interationalism

It simply meant that the USSR needed to build its self up in terms of Agriculture Industrial and Military Might before exporting the Revolution Further

>Maoist postmodernism

This i can Agree With Mao was a Tard

>or even separation from Marxism itself (Juche).

Kim il Sung himself literally Says that Juche is simply Marxist and Marxist-Leninist Thought Adapted to the Material Conditions of the Korean Peninsula

Its Quite similar to Socialism in one country as that it Stresses building a self Sufficient economy

And No Juche has nothing to do with Japanese Fascism or NazBol or any other stupid fucking memes

Kim Il sung was involved in the Peoples republic of Korea (1945) which was formed explicitly to create and independent Socialist Korea so no i highly doubt he was a "Ebil Pseudo-Fascist" Like that book "the cleanest race" claims


 No.41792

>>41278

>A white police officer shoots a black citizen in clear daylight, treating black people's lives as if they were as worthless as flies.

People get shot in North Korea too. Ive seen it on video. Only they would be the same race because its a racially homogeneous society so they dont have the same divisions.


 No.41828

File: 0c9fef588ffbe93⋯.gif (3.03 MB, 359x202, 359:202, what.gif)

>The birth year of Kim Il-sung, 1912 in the Gregorian calendar, became "Juche 1" in the North Korean calendar. Thus, the year 2011 is "Juche 100", and so on. The calendar began to be implemented on 9 September 1997, the Day of the Foundation of the Republic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_calendar

is juche a religion?


 No.41829

>>41828

I'd rather have my calendar Gloriously Jusche-themed than having it about a Capitalist on a stick


 No.41835

>>41278

i used my co-workers yt acc to post what you said under some comment in that vid

if you want ill take it down


 No.42359

File: e5a37890ad35c94⋯.jpg (188.83 KB, 514x750, 257:375, ROC_calendar.jpg)

>>41828

Are the Three Principles of the People a religion?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minguo_calendar


 No.42400

>>42359

Three principles of the people/Tridentism is literally Strasser.ism with Chinese characteristics tbh


 No.42422

>>41828

Dude, the Gregorian Calender is literally based on a religion and conceptualized by the Catholic Church. Is it so weird that some Asians, who have a history of being colonized, would like to have their own calender? Wouldn't it feel whacky if you had to use the imperial Chinese Calender in the West?


 No.44324

File: 4751415fcbab429⋯.webm (13.1 MB, 640x360, 16:9, DPRK.webm)

>>>/leftypol/2440589


 No.44335

>>44324

The sound mixing is completely off. Was the creator of this deaf? Also Kanye? Come on.

Otherwise it seemed interesting.


 No.44644

File: 38824776950e3b0⋯.jpg (134.19 KB, 608x873, 608:873, fgfd.jpg)

>>42422

Why do they use the Babylonian system of minutes and hours? They should make theirs decimal or something. That would really fuck with the west.


 No.44650

>>42422

>is Juche a religion because their calendar is based on it

>no it clearly isn't because the western calendar is also based on religion

also: think about the Year Zero of Juche time and compare it to, say, the French Republican Calendar. What does that imply about DPRK and the Kims?


 No.44672

>>42422

The Gregorian Calendar is the most standard Calendar throughout the world. Promoting it would be promoting universalism which is an integral part of internationalism. Seriously all of humanity should have one calendar. And because the Gregorian Calendar is the most common one it should be that one.


 No.44679

File: 7e0d6c485ed39b6⋯.jpg (386.42 KB, 900x523, 900:523, photo_2016-08-03_12174_ima….jpg)

https://web.archive.org/web/20170908202100/http://kcna.co.jp/item/1997/9708/news8/25.htm

>The Central People's Committee of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) recently adopted rules on the use of the Juche Era. The rules specify the basic principle and method of the use of the Juche Era with 1912 when President Kim Il Sung was born as the first year. According to the rules, 1912 shall be Juche 1, and the name of Juche Era shall be used from September 9, 1997, the national day of the DPRK. From that day the name of Juche Era with the name of christian era in parenthesis or the name of Juche Era alone, if necessary, shall be inscribed on documents, publications, architectures and all other year-bearing objects worked out, proclaimed, issued or published newly. For example, September 9 this year shall be written as September 9, Juche 86 (1997) or September 9, Juche 86. The already inscribed name of christian era shall be left intact, and the years before Juche 1 shall be written as they were in the past, not with "before Juche." A certain period that starts before Juche 1 shall be written according to the christian era. For example, the period from the year of the birth of Kim Hyong Jik, an indomitable revolutionary fighter, to this year shall be written as 1894-1997. In relations with foreign countries, the Juche Era and the christian era may be used on the principles of independence, equality and reciprocity.


 No.44709

THE DPRK IS OBVIOUSLY COMMUNIST, THE MOST COMMUNIST. ANYBODY WHO CONTRADICTS ME IS COINTELPRO OR A MOSSAD AGENT. MY LOGIC IS UNDENIABLE. LET ME SHOW YOU WHY, FIRST AND FOREMOST BEST KOREA WAS MADE COMMUNIST BY CHINA WHO IS OBVIOUSLY ALSO COMMUNIST BUT SLIGHTLY LESS THAN BEST KOREA BECAUSE CHINESE PEOPLE ARE CAPITALISTS AT THEIR HEART. THEREFORE IN CONCLUSION, PROOFS HAVE BEEN GIVEN AND SHILLS WILL BE DRAWN OUT. KIM WILL BRING THE DAWN AND SPREAD FULL COMMUNISM TO THE ENTIRE WORLD. EFFECTIVELY DESTROYING AMERCA AND BRINGING PEACE TO MANKIND.


 No.45234

>>44709

I understand you are being sarcastic but I cant think of anywhere more communist that currently exists. Can you?


 No.45336

>>45234

it's not communist there because they have forced labor camps there and communism is the abolition of work


 No.45361

>>44644

>Babylonian

>west

check your privilege


 No.45363

While I may not be the biggest fan of their social policies DPRK's Anti-Imperialism game is strong. Not to mention they have the ability to spread the true ideology one megaton at a time.


 No.45368

FUCK THE GOOKS

FUCK ANYONE THAT SUPPORTS THE GOOKS

YOU ARE RIGHT WING


 No.45678

>>37039

then maybe it's you with the pathology, comrade


 No.45690

>>45336

God I fucking hate these "communism is XY and nothing else" takes.


 No.45711

>>45690

A bunch of faggot Capitalists looking to get railed up the ass by anybody and everybody?


 No.45712

>>45711

Well, your word filter is spot on about Jews, Marx included.


 No.45835

File: d39f44063b4678d⋯.jpg (357.64 KB, 800x881, 800:881, d39f44063b4678dc1753cd7e6c….jpg)

>>45712

>Jeremy Corbyn detected


 No.45879

>>45234

>what is cuba


 No.46822

File: 4a3eaf7f6b61f79⋯.webm (14.7 MB, 854x480, 427:240, North Korean family separ….webm)

<b-but DPRK sends families of defectors to the gulag!!11


 No.46824

File: 2d58c5c9475501e⋯.webm (7.51 MB, 854x480, 427:240, The Tale of a DPRK Defect….webm)


 No.46856

File: eca2577c3b0f2bd⋯.png (1.16 MB, 1080x1130, 108:113, castro on dprk.png)


 No.47102

File: ce50efb9ca0ed79⋯.png (192.49 KB, 1188x864, 11:8, ko.png)

>No-Ones posted this basically mandatory pic related yet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Republic_of_Korea


 No.47106

File: 9610337e9178c55⋯.jpg (155.38 KB, 706x960, 353:480, 17992154_1319382734843414_….jpg)

>>47102

Should also mention this:

https://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Provisional+People%27s+Committee+of+North+Korea

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_People%27s_Committee_for_North_Korea

Which is what the people's committees left behind in the north evolved into, before they established the DPRK.


 No.47110

File: 86e08e24b85a2cc⋯.png (3.37 MB, 2560x1439, 2560:1439, death to us imperialist ag….png)

>>47102

There has been an update of the article since that post was made:

>After the American landing in September 1945, the United States Army Military Government in Korea controlled the peninsula south of the 38th parallel. The military governor Lieutenant-General John R. Hodge refused to recognize the PRK and its People's Committees, and outlawed it on 12 December.[4]:p.57 He later stated, "one of our missions was to break down this Communist government".[6]:p.202

This was the same man who called Korea "an enemy of the United States, subject to the terms and provisions of surrender." in 1945

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Military_Government_in_Korea


 No.47292

>>46822

>>46824

>posting propaganda unironically

tankies everybody


 No.47383

>>47292

>CNN is producing pro-DPRK propaganda

lmao


 No.47395

File: 90c5f37681b6c93⋯.jpeg (154.04 KB, 962x634, 481:317, Aram Pan.jpeg)

>>47292

>>47383

Next you're going to tell me that this Singaporean photographer is a RGB agent

https://www.nknews.org/2015/12/photographer-interviews-daughter-of-north-korean-defector/


 No.47422

>>47292

>CNN Is a DPRK Propaganda network

WDHMBT?


 No.47426

File: c379cf41c8995a9⋯.jpg (257.04 KB, 1024x1365, 1024:1365, 3a8d7b464d680180cad0fd8005….jpg)

File: da3627cdfb25b60⋯.png (65.51 KB, 500x500, 1:1, 1efc823d9a2f2e6da225cfb8b0….png)

>>41829

>jesus

>capitalist

Oh my you really are retarded.


 No.48912

Economy of DPRK continues to grow despite sanctions

>The Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) said Wednesday it successfully implemented its economic development plans last year despite US-led sanctions,

>"The Cabinet organized a drive for putting the nation's overall economy on a higher stage with a main emphasis put on revitalizing the production," he was quoted as saying, while noting a principle of self-support and self-sufficiency in local productions.

>Finance Minister Ki Kwang Ho said that last year, the DPRK's state budgetary revenue plan was over-fulfilled by 1.7 percent, scoring a 4.9-percent increase in state income from the previous year

>He said 15.8 percent of the total expenditure last year was earmarked for military capabilities and 47.7 percent for economic development.

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1097606.shtml


 No.50367

In other news the DPRK And the ROK Are now officially considering ending the Korean war


 No.50394

>>50367

>NK gets nukes

>is treated seriously

corrupt warhawk cultists out of power in SK

>politics on the peninsula advance towards reasonable resolution

who could have seen it coming?


 No.50412

>>50367

This has genuinely been stimulating my brain.

What will be the effects of a cutting-edge modernized younger population, with an older generation that lived under a developing economy and experienced martial law first hand merging'' with a relatively class-conscious working class and their 'state-socialist self-reliance' bureaucratic class?

<Koreans are very physically attractive

<But have the social norms that the west had in the 50s (no, this isn't a plus for someone who wants a stateless, moneyless, classless society)

<Has also had insurrectionary anarchists fighting imperial Japanese in their 20th century history.

Coupled with the fastest internet in the world it wouldn't be far-fetched to speculate that Koreans will play a continual role in developing socialist theory and practice forward…

<Korean script is a hyper-functional and minimalist and is said to be among the easiest languages to learn.

It's just so foreign. The population, society, culture. But I think that's what at the same time makes it so alluring.

I'm already used to liberal-democratic corporatism (==globalizing, globalizing, globalizing…==). I'm now thinking it may be an easier integration than one would initially assume.

Has anyone been to the South? If so share. (Here's a little reminder to be unspecific with dates and regions for anonymity reasons).


 No.50432

>>50367

Kim is going to sell out NK to chinese imperialists, this is what you get for having a tankie monarch at the helm.


 No.50435

>>50432

Thats what they get for buying the dictator meme

Goverment/Dictatorial Benevolence is a spook


 No.50491

>>37202

>Remember that these people get paid by South Korea, and they are basically minor celebs who make money giving TED talks by telling Tales from the Crypt: DPRK edition.

Holy shit this! I was talking to an acquaintance about the DPRK and then he showed me a video interview with people who left the DPRK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyqUw0WYwoc (interview starts at 0:52)

They are obviously acting and going off of a script. I couldn't stop laughing. It is so shamelessly obvious. And people eat this shit up. We truly live in a dystopia.


 No.50706

>>50491

>tankies are this deluded


 No.50716

File: 6abb459ef844c96⋯.jpg (78.38 KB, 960x778, 480:389, 22007671_467656906939432_1….jpg)

File: 62f79be8cb61d1a⋯.jpg (32.14 KB, 578x296, 289:148, 17309098_381063278932129_1….jpg)

File: 3f029efe2ebb688⋯.png (605.9 KB, 1080x612, 30:17, park yeon mi uncle.png)

>>50706

>North Korea: Defectors and their skeptics

https://thediplomat.com/2014/10/north-korea-defectors-and-their-skeptics/

>Why do North Korean defector testimonies so often fall apart?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/13/why-do-north-korean-defector-testimonies-so-often-fall-apart

>Seoul to quadruple reward fee for North Korean defectors - CNN

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/05/asia/south-korea-reward-defectors/

>Why South Korea is offering more money to North Korean defectors

http://www.newsweek.com/why-south-korea-offering-more-money-north-korean-defectors-564330

>Why do North Korean defectors keep changing their stories?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkegD7V9E6g

>Prominent North Korean defector recants parts of his story

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/19/world/asia/prominent-north-korean-defector-shin-dong-hyuk-recants-parts-of-his-story.html

>The strange tale of Yeonmi Park

https://thediplomat.com/2014/12/the-strange-tale-of-yeonmi-park/

>Hoping to Lure High-Level Defectors, South Korea Increases Rewards

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/05/world/asia/hoping-to-lure-high-level-defectors-south-korea-increases-rewards.html

>After fleeing North Korea, some defectors want to go back to life under Kim Jong Un

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-15/north-korean-defectors-returning-to-the-hermit-kingdom/9254654

>Korea’s hidden problem: suicidal defectors

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34710403

>Defector wants to return to North Korea - CNN

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/09/23/asia/north-south-korea-defector-family/index.html

>South Korea bans North Korean defector from repatriation - UPI.com

http://www.upi.com/%E2%80%A6/Seoul-rejects-North-Kor%E2%80%A6/7441442934149/

>North Korean Defector, ‘Treated Like Dirt’ in South, Fights to Return

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/05/world/asia/north-korea-defector-south-korea.html

>Defectors think most North Koreans approve of Kim Jong-Un

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/08/30/217186480/defectors-think-most-north-koreans-approve-of-kim-jong-un

>Seoul bans North Korean defector from repatriation

https://www.upi.com/%E2%80%A6/Seoul-rejects-North-Kor%E2%80%A6/7441442934149/

>Why two North Korean defectors want to go back

https://www.nknews.org/2017/09/why-two-north-korean-defectors-want-to-go-back/

>North Korean defector says she feels “trapped” in the South

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUMtDlusNUs&feature=youtu.be

>Why does this North Korean defector want to return home? (mixed short video from the BBC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKYqtKZ_8eA

>South Korea shoots dead defector fleeing to the North

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10312221/South-Korean-army-shoots-dead-defector.html

>South Korea shoots dead man swimming to the North

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-24105977

>North Korean defector interrupts UN Human Rights event, pleads to return home

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/14/north-korean-defector-interrupts-un-human-rights-event-plead/

>North Korean defector says no homelessness in Pyongyang

https://www.upi.com/North-Korean-defector-says-no-homelessness-in-Pyongyang/8801457150974/


 No.50718

So The DPRK is about to give up and its nukes and get Gaddafi'ed


 No.50722

>>50716

>North Korean defector says no homelessness in Pyongyang

I love propaganda like this, it is beyond delusion like only communists can be, being a line of reasoning as kafkaesque as No unemployment among african-americans in the confederate states or free healthcare in Auschwitz

Though I can imagine North Koreans regretting their decision to escape, South Korea is the North Korea of capitalism, K-pop being as soullessly pure as the orchestrated drill music north Korean children have to participate in.


 No.50748

>>50722

>South Korea is the North Korea of capitalism, K-pop being as soullessly pure as the orchestrated drill music north Korean children have to participate in.

South Korea has drill music as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPC9erC5WqU


 No.50767

File: 42a80832a6e083a⋯.jpg (167 KB, 650x429, 50:33, 42a.jpg)

>>50716

>2 defectors want to return

>this means the dprk is good

tankie delusion levels: 100%


 No.50770

>>50767

Did anybody ever claim that the DPRK is richer than South Korea in material terms? Nobody has ever claimed that. Dipshit.

The point is that they're doing rather well in their situation and 95% of the coverage is just bullshit.


 No.50771

File: 588c3c13273196b⋯.jpeg (81.37 KB, 540x960, 9:16, DZ245C7XUAI5LcT.jpeg)

>>50722

>North Korea is like Auschwitz

>homelessness is not a direct result of capitalist living space allocation and will always be there


 No.50919

>>50767

More like 25 percent of defectors


 No.50923

>>50767

More like you're ignoring all facts and evidence that run counter to your narrative that the DPRK is evil.


 No.50925

>>46822

If the CNN reporter could go to the DPRK then why couldn't she? Is it actually ROK law that they aren't allowed to return to their motherland?


 No.50931


 No.50932

>>50925

Yes, it is illegal for defectors to go back to the North. It is also illegal for any South Korean to visit the North without special government permission.


 No.50948

>/leftpol/ supports the north korean monarchy now

Why are we letting tankies get a second hugbox


 No.50949

>>50948

The DPRK isn't a monarchy. Fuck off, liberal retard.


 No.50951


 No.50955

>>50951

>they are so brainwashed!!

It's like these people have no self-awareness. Also, look at all these Americans who never left their country posting with South Korea flags on the internet.


 No.51008

File: 96121da29762dd0⋯.jpg (71.28 KB, 900x362, 450:181, DWgPNduUMAAHazm.jpg)

File: bd7b7cf00287c42⋯.jpg (133.29 KB, 900x532, 225:133, DWhMDpIU8AAU8HC.jpg)

File: 18319558fff84f2⋯.jpg (115.35 KB, 900x569, 900:569, DWgQoVSVQAAtEwb.jpg)

The 38North article about the DPRK Parliamentary Session and Budget Report 2018.

https://www.38north.org/2018/04/rfrank041918/

>ighlighting this step in public discourse may be interpreted as a further step towards publicly re-establishing the rule of the Party that had lost its dominant influence during the Kim Jong Il era to the National Defense Commission. The revival of the Party started in September 2010 with the very Party Conference—the first after 44 years—where Kim Jong Un had first been introduced to the public.

This is very good.

>Some notable details include repeated direct and indirect reference to sanctions, indicating that they might indeed be biting; a low projected growth rate of the economy; a small but symbolic increase in military spending; and a stagnant part of the budget coming from local sources. In fact, 2018 is the first time since 2011 that this figure has not grown substantially. The trend of a constantly growing relative economic power of the provinces compared to the central state has thus stopped.

And later:

>The most notable change in the detailed numbers concerns the share of budget revenue coming from “local areas,” i.e. the provinces and localities. It was planned to reach 26.7 percent of the total state budget in 2017, compared to 23.2 percent in 2016 and a mere 16.1 percent in 2011 when the government started reporting on this item. The planned figure for 2018 is now only 26.1 percent, the first decrease projected. Moreover, in 2017, the related revenue plan was executed at 100.5 percent. It was thus over-fulfilled by only 0.5 percent, which is the lowest value of all budget reports. The over-fulfillment rate had been about 14 percent in 2015 and in 2016, and even 22 percent in 2014. The fact that it suddenly plunged to almost zero and that no more growth is expected for 2018 indicates a trend reversal.

>In other words, the part of the economy that is not centrally controlled is not growing anymore, at least not in relative terms. Some of the verbal passages in the report indicate that this is the result of a deliberate policy change. While in 2017, the Minister of Finance in his report said that “Provinces, cities and counties envisage ensuring expenditures with their own local revenues and adding their profits to the state budget,” in 2018, he put an emphasis on the central government by saying “the revenue from the central economy holds an overwhelming proportion.”

The growth in the local areas as slowed down, and it's possible that this has something to do with bringing them back into the central plan. I have mixed feelings about this, I mean for once it's good that potentially emerging markets have been curbed, this shows that they still on the socialist path.

>Unlike in 2017, no “acute shortage of electricity” was stressed this time. Electricity, nevertheless, remains an economic priority of North Korea’s government. In his 2018 report, Pak put the related focus on conservative policies such as equipment maintenance in power generation and a more efficient use of coal. This could be interpreted as an attempt to respond to limitations imposed by new economic sanctions, the message to the energy sector being: make the most out of what is there and do not expect to receive external inputs anytime soon.

That they don't have much electricity shortages is good.

>Another sanctions-related topic was not, however, explicitly addressed in Pak Pong Ju’s speech this time: the so-called C1 chemical industry. This industry, which focuses on trying to replace imported crude oil by other, domestically available resources, had been a key strategic item in various 2016 and 2017 speeches.

Development of chemical industry is important to achieve better food security.

>Among the specific economic projects that Pak mentioned were the development of Samjiyon County into a model county, the Wonsan-Kalma tourist area, the Tanchon Power Station and the waterway project in South Hwanghae Province.

>The budget report was delivered by Minister of Finance Ki Kwang Ho. The rate of growth of state budgetary revenue, which I treat as a proxy for an official GDP growth rate, was given as 4.9 percent during the last year, indicating a moderate growth of the economy but being lower than the 6.3 percent reported in 2017. This could be another indicator of a certain impact of economic sanctions, although caution is advised because fluctuations have happened before and are rarely mono-causal. In any case, this is the lowest value since 2006.

Sanctions DO have an impact, however, 49% growth rate is still alright.


 No.51009

File: 9d5a2ed2fe9e408⋯.jpg (74.27 KB, 900x356, 225:89, DWgPbXYUQAAKjTk.jpg)

File: 5ae52ce702a5e27⋯.jpg (103.68 KB, 900x571, 900:571, DWlgDSaUMAIKX6D.jpg)

File: 08a7109916b61d2⋯.jpg (123.93 KB, 900x570, 30:19, DWhMAERVAAA5KMD.jpg)

>>51008

Other points and figures that might be important:

>We find that growth rates and expectations are again relatively modest, a trend that began in 2013 and has been strengthened gradually. The growth figure for 2018 is 3.2 percent, about the same value as last year. Expenditures are set to grow 5.1 percent, which is only slightly less than in 2017. As Figure 1 shows, the North Korean state has since 2008 planned to spend more than it earned. The gap between the planned growth of revenue and expenditure for 2018 has been somewhat narrowed and is now at 2.1 percent. This is, however, not a sign of deliberate deficit spending since the figures for actual, or “achieved” revenue usually make up for that gap and thus lead to a more balanced budget and occasionally even a small surplus, at least according to these official figures.

>For 2018, revenue from special economic zones is expected to grow 2.5 percent. This is twice as much as the year before, but still only half the expected growth rate of 2014. It seems that North Korea’s leadership is somewhat optimistic about the prospects of its external economic cooperation but so far refrains from overly excessive hopes. This is an interesting insight into the internal expectations of the 2018 summitry.

>The military is again only briefly considered with its usual 15.8 percent share of the budget which as such, is subject to debate as being too low and not reflecting the actual North Korean spending on its military which is estimated by the US Department of State to be in the range of 24 percent.

>Figure 2 shows that the cumulative value for achieved revenue (blue curve) has constantly been above cumulative expenditure growth (green curve) throughout Kim Jong Un’s tenure. Since 2013, however, the green curve for cumulative expenditure has constantly been above the orange planned revenue curve. This indicates the built-in expectation that the plan will be over-fulfilled.


 No.51039


 No.51164

>>51008

>>51009

>nothing about abolishing the Kim dinasty

into the trash it goes


 No.51168

File: f6a7a3b65400035⋯.png (2.4 MB, 1080x1971, 40:73, not a monarchy.png)

File: 0e224113e7fa92f⋯.jpg (137.04 KB, 846x1130, 423:565, Kim Yong Nam.jpg)

File: b2c20be56af6768⋯.jpg (25.11 KB, 796x529, 796:529, yong-nam and jong-un.jpg)

File: 7a5ae5309de4ce0⋯.png (486.53 KB, 1027x1645, 1027:1645, dprk heads of state.png)

>>50948

>a monarch is by definition the head of state

>the only Kim from Jong-un's family who was head of state was Kim il-Sung

>the head of state since 1999 is Kim Yong-nam from another Kim family

<monarchy


 No.51169

>>51164

>borgeois article about economic growth in the DPRK

<nitpicking about a completely unrelated issue just to give yourself an excuse to shit on the DPRK

Into the trash it goes


 No.53070

File: 1bacfed6ed517a7⋯.webm (1.87 MB, 640x360, 16:9, 中国人民志愿军战歌 - March of the ….webm)


 No.53122

do you think Kim has some grand scheme or is he going the route of China? I know he's not a Marxist or even a socialist, I'd imagine after his visit with Xi he's embracing ""socialism"" with Chinese characteristics to combat and crush the U.S.


 No.53126

>>53122

He's held several speeches denouncing revisionism and bourgeois economic freedoms. I don't think he's that impressed by looking at some Chinese pottery.


 No.53129

>>53126

Honestly I don't know much about Juche or NK I shouldn't have even posted. I'm watching one of Kim's speeches to the WPK right now and I'm surprised by his devotion to socialism. I assume you know more than I do, what do you make of his meeting with SK leaders?


 No.53134

>>53129

>what do you make of his meeting with SK leaders?

It's very good because it allows for NK to get out of the economic chokehold, develop their economy and not having to spend so much on the military. Socialist or not, a country of this small size is reliant on foreign trade and economic cooperation, and so far its only partner is China, which likes to puts sanctions on the DPRK


 No.53138

>>36983

As a student of Hegel, I'd say this is a normal development. The thesis was capitalism, the antithesis was communism and the synthesis is going to be something in between. Maybe some sort of post nationalist social democracy.


 No.53143

>>53138

>thesis, antithesis, synthesis

lmao


 No.53144

the ANTIFA enforcer squads need a new uniform.

Might I suggest a smart brown shirt and matching pants , kneehigh black leather boots, a Sam Browne belt, a brown kepi style hat and an Armband


 No.53145

N.K / The WPK Will likely settle for a Neutral Unification with the WPK converting into a Social-Democratic party

Screencap this


 No.53146


 No.53160

>>53146

American shills going full damage control mode after Trump's defeat at the hands of Juche.


 No.53225

>>53145

Hopefully, so we can finally forget the abject failure that was the """"socialist"""" project in korea.


 No.53340

>>53225

In what way was it a "abject failure"?


 No.53354

>>53340

It's a failure in the same way that we're in "late stage capitalism".

AKA, commies are fucking retarded.


 No.53357

>>53354

Not an argument

As I've pointed out in another thread N.K enjoys a decently high standard of living for a nation as isolated as it is with an economy the size it has

If call it a decent success


 No.53363

>>53340

>>53357

>low technological development, stuck in the 70s

>widespread famine

>gulags everywhere

>pinnacle of revisionism

>hereditary monarchy


 No.53422

>>53363

>low technological development, stuck in the 70s

Citation needed

>widespread famine

Not since the 90s

>gulags everywhere

The "Everyone is in multi-gen slave camps" meme is just that a meme

>pinnacle of revisionism

What so you consider revisionism

>hereditary monarchy

It is a Republic and Kim Jong un isnt even head of state


 No.53424

>>53363

>stuck in the 70s

No, they have hi-tech. Flat-screens, computer tomography, Smartphones, etc. do all exist there


 No.53449

>>53424

Those things aren't particularly useful if you don't have electricity.


 No.53451

>>53449

That's not something they can change on their own. I think they are already pressing out every available watt possible with renewable energy. They even have algea farms which produce electricity. Can't do more than that.


 No.53577

http://www.businessinsider.com/south-korean-official-suggests-north-korea-could-build-mcdonalds-trump-tower-2018-4

>Kimmy boy is surrenders to America

Koreans will stop suffering and tankies will kill themselves, pretty good day overall.


 No.53635

>>53577

>having a McDonald's means you stop suffering

>actually believing this random guy at all


 No.53645

File: b91153412c67057⋯.jpg (31.2 KB, 318x322, 159:161, 1448871520309.jpg)

>>53635

>actually believing this random guy at all

>South Korean official

>random


 No.53710

>>53577

>Chung-in referenced Trump Tower and McDonald's as examples of what one might consider to be "modern" for North Korea.

It's stated right here, Jong Un said he wanted to focus on modernizing the economy, and this retard just thinks it means Trump Tower and McDonald's.


 No.53849

>>53710

>modernizing the economy

AKA capitalist reforms. Exactly how it went for Vietnam, Laos and China.

Tankieism was a mistake.


 No.54102

File: b659598897de744⋯.png (147.4 KB, 960x684, 80:57, 21615ff352287fd239d3d45578….png)

>>53849

>capitalist reforms

It's more like continuing the byungjin policy and focusing on economic growth. Getting the sanctions lifted would greatly help with this.


 No.54641

>>51168

>semantics

I get that the title "monarchy" is not well placed, but I don't see how this concentration of power isn't harmful, or worthy of being mistaken of a "monarchy".

>muh constituition says he's not a king!

and? what good is paper in this regard, how do we know the state mechanism acts like this in practice? The soviets where suppose to hold power in the Soviet Union, but in reality the power rested in Moscow, with the cadres and apparatchiks.

Same with their "workplace democracy". I find it funny that MLs will berate "market socialists" for simply glazing over the horrors of the market by saying that "at least the proletariat can choose, democratically, the best way to be screwed over", while simultaneously calling North K AES for supposedly having completely democratic workplaces (another fact that seems to only be demonstrable in reference to their constitution).

>Muh people take part in the planning process!

I go back to my Soviet reference, yes on paper, but do we see this actually occurring? and if so, how much power does the rank and file honestly have over the process? I'd like to see some evidence provided for this, but till then I remain skeptical

My take on North K is that, if we ever get a peak behind it's boarders, It'll look an offal like the Soviets did. and it looks like it's already going down the road to capitalism.

This article might be of interest https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/07/north-korea-recipe-for-success-economic-liberalisation-public-executions

>inb4 imperialist source

I'm open to any meaningful critique


 No.55854

File: cf8cdcf2c41b51f⋯.webm (5.98 MB, 854x480, 427:240, Kim Il Sung meets Mao Zed….webm)

bump


 No.55857

>>54641

>My take on North K is that, if we ever get a peak behind it's boarders, It'll look an offal like the Soviets did.

How do you know this? You admit yourself there is a lack of information as to how North Korean society actually works.

That Guardian article is literally the first thing that pops up when you Google "North Korea economy". As for the supposed capitalist road, I believe it when I see it, there is a report from their parliamentary session about their economy:

https://www.38north.org/2018/04/rfrank041918/

Nothing really suggests that they want to privatize or liberalize shit. A whole lot of the private markets popped up when the central planning collapsed in the 90s. They are in the process of rebuilding their economic authority.


 No.55934

File: 47cef5c2c52f076⋯.png (1.1 MB, 1175x516, 1175:516, agbnqq.png)

Pic related is "Tree Nursery No. 122", one of the many tree nurseries in the DPRK to combat deforestation and exhaustive cultivation. I'm posting this because some guy claimed that there are "dystopian wastelands" in the DPRK.


 No.59377

File: 87e0e5f7c3374b5⋯.jpg (135.59 KB, 1024x768, 4:3, Dcrxlv_VMAALqyo.jpg)

File: 53408933ead45d2⋯.jpg (157.58 KB, 900x636, 75:53, DWk_l2nVwAATaLH (1).jpg)

File: 55abf853fbe491e⋯.jpg (60.01 KB, 640x640, 1:1, DakeW33UMAAjRxm.jpg)

First pic housing in rural areas taken by an amateur, second pic offical media picture of rural housing. Third picture is their version of public viewing.


 No.59378

File: 1fc2111049822b2⋯.jpg (115.22 KB, 900x532, 225:133, DWiK11-VMAAjvct.jpg)

File: b4a2d5069831218⋯.jpg (154.63 KB, 900x583, 900:583, DWfjF74W4AExYiW.jpg)

File: e84c4e4cd22ed6e⋯.jpg (80.86 KB, 900x361, 900:361, DWfjNwDX0AAiBJr.jpg)

File: ef11ccef2266d13⋯.png (1017.42 KB, 995x624, 995:624, fq43fsagq.png)

few more pics incoming


 No.59380

File: 024ef715392b1a1⋯.jpg (110.64 KB, 1024x1024, 1:1, DdySgeNUwAADPaw.jpg)

File: 533083ef8b87852⋯.jpg (85.99 KB, 1024x1024, 1:1, DdySgdGV0AAWQT6.jpg)

File: d8ccc1fb5b03b22⋯.jpg (130.81 KB, 1024x1024, 1:1, DdySgh2VQAA5v9W.jpg)

File: 761a181f7618a22⋯.jpg (124.91 KB, 1024x1024, 1:1, DdySgg6UQAAY-R1.jpg)

pics from a North Korean students dorm taken by a Vietnamese exchange student


 No.64331

File: 5da930a5ff214fa⋯.jpg (179.99 KB, 807x533, 807:533, g7ful.jpg)

File: 8feb1bda440956b⋯.jpg (264.49 KB, 804x533, 804:533, fjkzcfj.jpg)

File: 6989d5c61b88608⋯.jpg (187.88 KB, 805x533, 805:533, ukdtkz.jpg)

File: bc264427996fffd⋯.jpg (168.16 KB, 803x533, 803:533, tdrjzsdj67.jpg)

Probably the biggest seafood restaurant of the world just opened in the DPRK.


 No.64332

File: d3616aaeab582ec⋯.jpg (227.53 KB, 801x533, 801:533, dzed56zt.jpg)

File: bb01a74de9084e9⋯.jpg (207.43 KB, 800x533, 800:533, uktdktfj.jpg)


 No.64355

>>59377

>>59378

>>64331

>>64332

Absolutely gorgeous! I have to visit North Korea before I die. btw do they let Americans in the country?


 No.64366

>>64331

Why are there fish in the swimming pool?


 No.64370

File: c54fedef515ec8e⋯.jpg (253.07 KB, 805x533, 805:533, 20.jpg)

File: 86541ccc6a11f72⋯.png (2.76 MB, 1344x894, 224:149, she65s.png)

File: b1f4c248372f845⋯.jpg (161.97 KB, 1304x534, 652:267, 14112017KP2-1.jpg)

File: 29d824e80739a41⋯.jpg (405.45 KB, 1170x658, 585:329, ydgm1fqirhgijvxjgjoz.jpg)

>>64355

Yes, they let you in, but your own country (USA) does not let you go. Trump has enacted a travel ban to the DPRK.

>>64366

It's a seafood restaurant, they breed the fish there.


 No.64374

>>64370

Why are they breeding fish in swimming pools?


 No.64377

File: 8b67fe08232c8fd⋯.jpg (1.57 MB, 4608x3072, 3:2, WE7bENs.jpg)

>>64374

They are not bred there technically I guess, they just swim there until they become food. That's by the way nicer for the animals than in the Asian seafood restaurants in the west.


 No.64417

>>64332

>>64331

>>64370

>>64377

>wasting all that scarce electricity so they could take a few propaganda photos

The DPRK needs regicide.


 No.64419

File: 0c39d1afa7e21b3⋯.jpg (50.85 KB, 670x376, 335:188, otto warmbier.jpg)

File: 4695f9ba96ca410⋯.gif (1.54 MB, 480x264, 20:11, apocalypse of thonk.gif)

>>64355

>do they let Americans in the country?


 No.64664

Kim has officially arrived in Singapore. This thread is going to get pretty active starting Tuesday I bet. Place your bets on what will happen. I'm still pretty sure Kim isn't going to meet Trump's demands, especially since Trump seems to be inflexible on issues such as the US troops in the ROK

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=ptiM1M_WMJ4


 No.64868

>>64417

The DPRK is a society that doesn't live for today, but for tomorrow.

>>64664

He's gonna let the US have a bunch of troops in RoK, albeit lesser than before, it's still a huge net benefit if he get the sanctions lifted, especially considering how the North Korean economy is in the best shape since the 80s.


 No.64894

File: 8308d278152fbed⋯.png (808.74 KB, 450x600, 3:4, kim jong un.png)

>inb4 Kim goes full Socialism Capitalism with Korean Characteristics mode and gives up his nukes

Don't let me down, Kim. Plus I want to see America get BTFO even more


 No.64895

he's gonna suck dat burger dick like there's no tomorrow


 No.64899

File: e47802dc8f31aaf⋯.png (472.86 KB, 616x622, 308:311, ClipboardImage.png)

Kek


 No.64900

>>64899

Kim's smile is contagious.


 No.64961

Get in here, faggots! Meeting between Trump in Kim coming soon!! https://hooktube.com/watch?v=3DK5HFVmHf0


 No.64972

File: f317909d44ed422⋯.png (561.79 KB, 752x609, 752:609, ClipboardImage.png)

Kim has arrrived


 No.64974

>>64972

God, these faggots on MSNBC.

>Kim is bad because he drives a mercedes benz.


 No.64975

File: 5f74d833d2596b7⋯.png (271.57 KB, 580x360, 29:18, ClipboardImage.png)

A strange sight tbh

>>64974

The RT stream is just footage, no commentary. Spare yourself the liberal garbage


 No.64978

File: 6a629767e4378cc⋯.png (1.05 MB, 1355x724, 1355:724, ClipboardImage.png)

I hope we get to see a handshake or something, just to satisfy my curiosity of the two together. I don't want to see them shake over Kim going full Dengist mode though and implementing Socialism Capitalism with Korean Characteristics. I wonder if there's anything to watch for now


 No.64982

File: 7da49c7598a112b⋯.png (737.49 KB, 853x535, 853:535, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 992292b765fc34e⋯.png (834.75 KB, 956x598, 478:299, ClipboardImage.png)

Holy shit


 No.64984

>>64978

Yeah, they handshaked.


 No.64985

File: f0ff5504b99bcb1⋯.png (848.02 KB, 1123x640, 1123:640, ClipboardImage.png)


 No.64986

File: 731969db8809667⋯.jpg (11.07 KB, 260x244, 65:61, asuka 2.jpg)

>We will have a terrific relationship, no doubt.

Place your bets on how long it will be until Trump regrets these words


 No.64990

I really wonder what made Kim turn 180 degrees so fast suddenly. There is something shady going behind the scenes.


 No.64991

>>64990

Turning 180 in what sense? To wanting to engage with Trump? I still think the two leaders have completely different definitions of "denuclearization" in mind.


 No.64992

>>64991

I mean, they were exchanging threats via media all the time, suddenly olympic games happened and they all treat Kim like best friend. Also on one hand DPRK was so much anti-american etc. and now Kim sits with Trump. Like what am I missing? Sorry for being uninformed but what the fuck happened that NK stopped being so "isolated" and all of this is happening?


 No.64994

File: 21576e2074ba6a3⋯.png (130.31 KB, 774x395, 774:395, ClipboardImage.png)

Schedule


 No.64998

>>64992

I'm pretty much in the dark about that too. I honestly thought they were about to attack Guam last year and that shit was going to hit the fan. Then all the sudden the Olympics happens and the North and South do their joint team, North and South begin talking together a lot more and before we know it Kim invites Trump to talk. Besides that I know Moon Jae-in favors Sunshine Policy style policies too. Maybe we're missing something


 No.65001

Dennis Rodman was just crying on CNN


 No.65003


 No.65005

>>64990

Who cares? It's a good development either way.


 No.65018

>>64355

A few American communist parties signed a pact in Pyongyang about a decade ago.


 No.65024

File: df1c0aedfafa0cf⋯.jpg (3.18 MB, 2500x1590, 250:159, 1516848217520.jpg)

File: e2ae07d9d541ca8⋯.jpg (324.36 KB, 1200x1117, 1200:1117, af37f1_6084633.jpg)

File: b410e90266f0925⋯.png (712.64 KB, 960x893, 960:893, 1523447189073.png)

File: cda8f1d1964bf55⋯.png (581.77 KB, 600x799, 600:799, 1527817800652.png)

>>37016

>>64990

>>64992

>>64986

>>64895

>>64894

>far-left SocJus weenies salty about Trump solving a 70 year old war even on /left "W-W-W-WE'RE NOT LIBERALS, I SWEAR" pol/

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, /LEFTPOO/ FUCKING BLOWN OUT INTO SMITHEREENS, SO MUCH FOR "LE BEST KOREA WILL NUKE LE EVIL CAPITALIST PIGDOG AMERIKKKA XDDDD" EH??!! AHAHAHAHA, HOW DOES IT FEELS KNOWING THAT A STEAK SALESMAN THAT WE AND BY "WE" I MEAN ANIME NAZIS, ANIME FACISTS, ANIME WHITE SUPREMACISTS AND ANIME COUNTER-SEMITES HELPED ELECT? HOW DOES IT FEELS KNOWING THAT YOUR KING GROID OBUMMER WILL BE A FOOTNOTE ON HISTORY AS A FORMER GAMESHOW NOT ONLY BESTED HIS PANTSUITED SUCCESSOR BUT ALSO THE LEFTIST CORPORATE MEDIA, BANKING, SOCIAL MEDIA MACHINES BACKING HER? PEE PEE POO POO, /LEFTYPEE/ SOCJUS WEENIES IN DENIAL MAKE MY TENDIES

THE ORANGEMAN COMETH, /LEFTYPEE/!

PEACE NOBEL PRIZE SOON, LEFTIST WALL STREET/SOROS SHILLS. IT'S ALL OVER, TIME TO HANG UP YOUR PINK PUSSYHATS AS WE KEEP WINNING AND WINNING AND WINNING AND FUCKING WINNING!


 No.65025

>>65024

Oh, this post was so great you just had to post it on leftpol too.


 No.65026

>>65005

Well I do care because it's highly suspicious and when it comes to politics, there is one golden rule - always be cautious.


 No.65027

>>65024

>That shitpost

>1st and 2nd image

Im getting mixed messages


 No.65030

File: 591a6b561f8c5c5⋯.jpg (15.63 KB, 255x255, 1:1, 5baa0b23a326d65baacbf26d2f….jpg)

>>65025

DAS RITE, I'M LITERALLY GRINNING LIKE A MONGOLOID. WE DID THIS, FUGGER AND THERE'S LITERALLY NOTHING YOU TANKY LARPERS CAN DO ABOUT IT. :DDDDDDDDD


 No.65031


 No.65034

>>65024

Since when is /pol/ for peace?


 No.65036

File: 7aba3aa01aece14⋯.png (571.61 KB, 1069x502, 1069:502, agent.png)

>>65034

/pol/ wants Trump to have domestic "wins" to own the libs, even if the DPRK comes in from the cold and strengths its hand internationally in the process. Let them stew in their own juices, and let them keep their illusions.


 No.65042

>>65036

It's sad how they're just cheerleaders for the Republicans now.


 No.65045

File: 112deccac5eb853⋯.jpg (86.25 KB, 251x257, 251:257, shrug.jpg)

>>65024

>Leftist Corporate Media

>Leftist Banking

>Leftist Social Media Machines

>Leftist Wall Street shills

>Leftist Soros shills

You must have a very odd definition of "leftist".


 No.65047

File: 2d5d1c9ecb0b69c⋯.png (160.27 KB, 250x368, 125:184, 2d5d1c9ecb0b69c2e5a9127431….png)

>>65045

Doesn't leftist mean "anything I don't like"?


 No.65052

>>65042

They always were?


 No.65054

>>65052

Where did the term "cuckservative" come from then?


 No.65056

File: 1edf390f2ef58d4⋯.jpg (190.55 KB, 1024x768, 4:3, endtimes.jpg)


 No.65068

File: ba8b2011af3a54a⋯.png (192.41 KB, 1704x433, 1704:433, Swedish-jewish banker comm….png)

>>65045

>>65047

>bankers are not REAL communism!!

Umm sweety….


 No.65069

>>65068

Based

But one Based Banker dosent make modern banks leftist / or makes Leftists support banks


 No.65070

File: cb14cf8ff825291⋯.png (122.67 KB, 644x852, 161:213, wall street funded bolshev….png)

>>65069

>just one le BASED BANKER XD

>one

Umm sweety….


 No.65072

>>65070

>One Random fucks blog-post / Article

>Evidence

The Soviets Outlawed Private Banking


 No.65073

>>37039

I feel you

>>37103

yes

>>37148

Hellscape is accurate

>>50491

yes. Lots of fishy behavior on twitter too. The CIA took over DPRK years ago.


 No.65074

File: 952dc38b3da0a07⋯.jpg (145.03 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, 952dc38b3da0a07d6bf06ac23b….jpg)

>>65072

>The Soviets Outlawed Private Banking

Yet they still gladly accepted funding and big deals with INTERNATIONAL bankers.


 No.65076

>>65070

Also

>Soviets Funded By Germany and America

F U C K I N G

L M A O

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Russian_Civil_War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Civil_War

>>65074

>Yet they still gladly accepted funding and big deals with INTERNATIONAL bankers.

Cept they didnt though because blogposts arent proof sweety :)


 No.65077

>>64992

>>64998

NK's advances in its nuclear weapons programme means NATO negotiates with them from a much more balanced position, when before they demanded the diplomatic equivalent of unconditional surrender. Regime change in Seoul helps a lot too.


 No.65079

>>65074

Russia was literally occupied by capitalist armies, you fucking idiot.


 No.65109

How many tankies and maotists are gonna be on suicide watch once the Koreas normalize relations, foreign capital and products start rolling in, and we witness the birth of "socialism with DPRK characteristics" in exchange for those sweet, sweet mineral rights?


 No.65118

>>65109

they don't care, the red flags, the Kim family and at least some anti-Americanism will still be there - and those are the relevant parts for the tanquis

if they didn't get upset at the Kaesong Complex or the masses of North Korean migrant workers around the world (mostly China) why would they now?


 No.65136

>>65109

>>65118

It would be pretty fucking stupid not to take advantage of the mineral rights by themselves. It would also be stupid to reject foreign capital in special economic zones to develop the economy as a country that has been isolated for so long. Socialism is not backwardness.

>Maoists

<when you don't know what a tankie is so you mix them in with Maoists but you don't know what that is either


 No.65138

>>65136

Foreign capital is socialism

t. ML gang


 No.65140

>>65109

Maoists don't like jucheland and tankies will justify capitalism per usual.


 No.65141

>>65138

development of the productive forces is conductive to socialism


 No.65143

>>65138

What's wrong with it if the currency and the commodities never circulate directly into the country and as long as wages in special economic zones go to the state? Marxism-Leninism is a science not a fucking ideology where you have to enslave the working class in a hermit state for ideological purity. Since the collapse of the USSR last remaining socialist strongholds obviously have to make compromises. Again. socialism is not backwardness.


 No.67728

File: 48e6dbdfe1d7500⋯.webm (3.95 MB, 854x470, 427:235, Reunification Rainbow.webm)


 No.69229

File: 4a6c5cc682f9df0⋯.jpg (321.65 KB, 900x560, 45:28, 20180614-pt13045-3.jpg)

File: cfe19268230383d⋯.jpg (200.14 KB, 900x620, 45:31, 20180614-pt13045-4.jpg)

File: 1163dadb62662db⋯.jpg (244.76 KB, 900x546, 150:91, 20180614-pt13045-5.jpg)

Architectural drafts from the Academy of Architecture.


 No.69230

File: eb8ace35dd6a231⋯.jpg (155.78 KB, 900x578, 450:289, 20170114-pt5-2.jpg)

File: 057528016e29795⋯.jpg (137.63 KB, 900x644, 225:161, 20170114-pt5-6.jpg)

File: 269239ae2332446⋯.jpg (153.25 KB, 900x514, 450:257, 20170114-pt6-1.jpg)

File: 8ead24b71f50fbf⋯.jpg (167.38 KB, 900x513, 100:57, 20170114-pt6-5.jpg)

Worker's communal housing next to a factory. It features bedrooms, dining hall, dining room for birthday party, gym and entertainment hall, swimming pool and other facilities.


 No.69233

>>69230

>Worker's communal housing next to a factory.

How come there is no workers or human beings in there barring the photographers.


 No.69251

>>69229

>>69230

I've noticed people posting a lot of luxury buildings/attractions about North Korea. "See, it isn't really that bad"

But now do supposed communists think extravagant buildings in a poor and underdeveloped country is a good use of their so limited resources? Most north koreans would never see the benefit of these costly projects.


 No.69452

File: 041682de1483a99⋯.png (1.09 MB, 1440x1492, 360:373, Even the DPRK signed the P….png)


 No.69994

File: cb007507e554835⋯.png (1.81 MB, 1080x1485, 8:11, hdi 1995.png)

File: 0acbfe4962e33a6⋯.png (26.96 KB, 1840x1840, 1:1, j_u_c_h_e.png)

So apparently the DPRK had an HDI of 0.766 in 1995 which was during the Arduous March.

These are the latest figures from UNDP, and living conditions today are clearly much better than in those crisis years.

http://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/files/reports/259/hdr_1998_en_complete_nostats.pdf


 No.69995

File: b2a501e3b7f6bc3⋯.jpg (934.29 KB, 4806x2402, 2403:1201, e3df3ec6ae2123e70a0659c457….jpg)


 No.69998

MCDONALDS

WHEN


 No.69999

File: 699b4826ca0e07c⋯.jpg (104.76 KB, 600x758, 300:379, Kim Il Sung.jpg)


 No.70000

File: f694163aacaa40e⋯.jpg (25.11 KB, 540x332, 135:83, 20525195_446044112434045_7….jpg)


 No.71358

File: 2f80bca09ce81b6⋯.jpg (113.35 KB, 1080x568, 135:71, 2f80bca09ce81b610f08d47216….jpg)

File: 3d060689294f5fb⋯.jpg (89.23 KB, 1500x568, 375:142, 36411796_387052768471559_7….jpg)

File: b37171f0f069892⋯.jpg (51.89 KB, 1080x529, 1080:529, 36368576_387055268471309_4….jpg)


 No.73308

File: 148dcefd270f2e9⋯.jpg (67.87 KB, 825x454, 825:454, 36612684_401705526981632_7….jpg)


 No.76040

bump?

What do you guys think is in store for the DPRK within the next 10 years. Please no "McDonald's xDDD", let's assume they survive the way they are but without sanctions. Could they make great advances towards socialism? Unlike Cuba they embrace cybernetics and distribution according to need.


 No.76389

File: ca61e547e4b579a⋯.jpg (69.2 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, 37719035_625389734499481_7….jpg)

>Documentary depicting everyday life of the working class in the DPRK, including soldiers, water park workers, students, teachers, football coaches, painters, textile workers and farmers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSd48emp0lI


 No.78865

File: 9c6cba3ed1e2c35⋯.png (903.82 KB, 1080x820, 54:41, raúl castro dprk.png)


 No.80000

File: 2968dfb1c1e4c34⋯.jpg (75.16 KB, 964x1037, 964:1037, 37761466_625522387819549_7….jpg)


 No.80001

>>80000

In socialism, work makes free!


 No.80006

File: cf5c48ccef2826f⋯.jpg (135.02 KB, 900x463, 900:463, 20180731-pt13397-3.jpg)

File: e68ec7dd7296f9e⋯.jpg (167.9 KB, 900x397, 900:397, 20180731-pt13397-1.jpg)

File: 3d7d73693cd174c⋯.jpg (218.26 KB, 900x616, 225:154, 20180731-pt13397-12.jpg)

File: 3af39dded7626f2⋯.jpg (183.78 KB, 900x604, 225:151, 20180731-pt13397-29.jpg)

File: cfa124b9d7b4e90⋯.jpg (91.3 KB, 900x407, 900:407, 20180731-pt13397-31.jpg)

The biggest seafood restaurant in the world has finally opened

Also, good video about the Songdowon Children's Facility. No expenses spared!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b84Y0e0mzOM

>>80001

shut up


 No.80032

>>80006

>second pic

When will our largeboi baby Kim start getting his portrait paraded around beside papa and grandpa Kim?


 No.80066

File: 60bf6b474bd15cc⋯.png (1.44 MB, 1600x900, 16:9, RVDXwYS2ixKr7UwbQD4IKwuDAj….png)

>>76389

>using botnet OS

SMH SMDH TBQH FAM


 No.80585

So to what extent has the DPRK adopted market reforms? I’ve heard that they may have implemented some but I can’t pin down how extensive they are.


 No.80707

>>80585

Private markets where citizens sell commodities. These are like market halls, Pyongyang has two AFAIK. Most commodities sold in there are goods from China and in general just stuff that isn't produced in the DPRK.

There are private farmer markets that are tolerated. They popped up during the '94-'98 famine. Since the food situation has improved significantly, I'd expect those to be less important in the overall food allocation today. The state has lowered the quota for produce farm cooperatives have to yield to the state (100% under Kim Il Sung) so I assume the rest of their produce can be sold as they see fit, OR the state buys the stuff at a fixed priced like it was in the USSR, hard to tell.

There are joint stock companies with foreign investors like from Egypt so they can produce stuff like smartphones other more sophisticated stuff.

Special Economic Zones are largely inoperative since a few years now.

That's about it.


 No.88093

File: 9192068814c1f71⋯.mp4 (1.5 MB, 400x226, 200:113, fidel castro dprk.mp4)


 No.91964

File: 1b2d63a42bea73f⋯.webm (12.49 MB, 512x288, 16:9, 북한 미녀기타수 연주.webm)


 No.96217

File: 49c88916dfd8960⋯.jpg (641.91 KB, 1920x2160, 8:9, moon jae in speech.jpg)


 No.96253

>>96217

If Moon was smart he’d tell the US to pack its bags and gtfo so they could reunite on their own terms


 No.96263

>>88239

What?

>>96253

That would literally almost 100% result in him dying of Sudden Ass cancer caused by Plutonium in his Coffee then some Insane Sygman rhee tier general stepping in "Stop a Communist takeover" or whatever

In which case Cross-Korean Relations go back to fucking Cold War tier's off fucked


 No.99755

We must support North Korea in its fi-

>In the remote north-eastern corner of North Korea, close to the border of Russia and China, is Haengyong. Hidden away in the mountains, this remote town is home to Camp 22 - North Korea's largest concentration camp, where thousands of men, women and children accused of political crimes are held. Now, it is claimed, it is also where thousands die each year and where prison guards stamp on the necks of babies born to prisoners to kill them.

>Over the past year harrowing first-hand testimonies from North Korean defectors have detailed execution and torture, and now chilling evidence has emerged that the walls of Camp 22 hide an even more evil secret: gas chambers where horrific chemical experiments are conducted on human beings.

>Witnesses have described watching entire families being put in glass chambers and gassed. They are left to an agonising death while scientists take notes. The allegations offer the most shocking glimpse so far of Kim Jong-il's North Korean regime.

>Hyuk has drawn detailed diagrams of the gas chamber he saw. He said: 'The glass chamber is sealed airtight. It is 3.5 metres wide, 3m long and 2.2m high_ [There] is the injection tube going through the unit. Normally, a family sticks together and individual prisoners stand separately around the corners. Scientists observe the entire process from above, through the glass.'

>He explains how he had believed this treatment was justified. 'At the time I felt that they thoroughly deserved such a death. Because all of us were led to believe that all the bad things that were happening to North Korea were their fault; that we were poor, divided and not making progress as a country.

>'It would be a total lie for me to say I feel sympathetic about the children dying such a painful death. Under the society and the regime I was in at the time, I only felt that they were the enemies. So I felt no sympathy or pity for them at all.'

>His testimony is backed up by Soon Ok-lee, who was imprisoned for seven years. 'An officer ordered me to select 50 healthy female prisoners,' she said. 'One of the guards handed me a basket full of soaked cabbage, told me not to eat it but to give it to the 50 women. I gave them out and heard a scream from those who had eaten them. They were all screaming and vomiting blood. All who ate the cabbage leaves started violently vomiting blood and screaming with pain. It was hell. In less than 20 minutes they were quite dead.'

>Defectors have smuggled out documents that appear to reveal how methodical the chemical experiments were. One stamped 'top secret' and 'transfer letter' is dated February 2002. The name of the victim was Lin Hun-hwa. He was 39. The text reads: 'The above person is transferred from … camp number 22 for the purpose of human experimentation of liquid gas for chemical weapons.'

>Kim Sang-hun, a North Korean human rights worker, says the document is genuine. He said: 'It carries a North Korean format, the quality of paper is North Korean and it has an official stamp of agencies involved with this human experimentation. A stamp they cannot deny. And it carries names of the victim and where and why and how these people were experimented [on].'

>inb4 NKIDF


 No.99905

>>99755

>tankiddies fall silent

lmao


 No.99907


 No.100060

>>99905

>no source

>Camp 22 myths already been debunked

Is that supposed to prove anything? The only footage we have from North Korean prisons are timetables where the inmates have more leisure time than a Western wage laborer.


 No.100098

>>100060

>>99907

Except, it's not defector testimonies alone. They have documents as well.

>Defectors have smuggled out documents that appear to reveal how methodical the chemical experiments were. One stamped 'top secret' and 'transfer letter' is dated February 2002. The name of the victim was Lin Hun-hwa. He was 39. The text reads: 'The above person is transferred from … camp number 22 for the purpose of human experimentation of liquid gas for chemical weapons.'

>Kim Sang-hun, a North Korean human rights worker, says the document is genuine. He said: 'It carries a North Korean format, the quality of paper is North Korean and it has an official stamp of agencies involved with this human experimentation. A stamp they cannot deny. And it carries names of the victim and where and why and how these people were experimented [on].'

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/feb/01/northkorea


 No.100202

File: 62f79be8cb61d1a⋯.jpg (32.14 KB, 578x296, 289:148, vinalon complex.jpg)

>>100098

>'It carries a North Korean format, the quality of paper is North Korean and it has an official stamp of agencies involved with this human experimentation. A stamp they cannot deny.

What are these agencies, and what does this stamp and these documents look like? Why don't they show us if it is so incriminating? Considering the claim from a family in the DPRK is that it shows an incorrect mountain and is missing a generating house present in legitimate stamps.

https://archive.fo/3S5C4

http://en.people.cn/200403/31/eng20040331_138993.shtml

>And it carries names of the victim and where and why and how these people were experimented [on].'

Anyone could make that up.


 No.101955

File: 935650d33869db7⋯.jpg (442.48 KB, 1080x1821, 360:607, into the trash they go.jpg)

New documentary on the world of defectors and the NIS (Korean CIA):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktE_3PrJZO0


 No.104954

File: 45015a7e0e1012a⋯.jpg (243.09 KB, 1200x800, 3:2, Dpt-07FUwAY62wZ.jpg)

File: 3d1f5a63038d3b7⋯.jpg (282.77 KB, 1200x800, 3:2, Dpt-06aWwAEm0VR.jpg)

Aerial view of an orphanage and a children's center.


 No.104955

File: 4771873ae9f590d⋯.jpg (120.69 KB, 808x533, 808:533, DpO9NOoUcAAw1TB.jpg)

File: b60f8c11d482bf0⋯.jpg (108.5 KB, 806x533, 62:41, DpO9NOeV4AMqp90.jpg)

File: 616006f9d02d148⋯.jpg (112.31 KB, 804x533, 804:533, DpO9NOgVAAAlCUs.jpg)

File: e7534fa0a1bab4e⋯.jpg (167.12 KB, 900x584, 225:146, DpO9NOxU0AI1eSd.jpg)

New concert hall opened less than a month ago

How do they manage to keep popping out these buildings with the sanctions?!


 No.104956

File: 382acba656512b4⋯.jpg (213.91 KB, 1200x760, 30:19, Do6flbFW4AEX6jI.jpg)

File: 9aba54b1d97326c⋯.jpg (102.06 KB, 1200x800, 3:2, Do2CMCCU0AA5W2n.jpg)

File: 41d699465b5f9ec⋯.jpg (201.32 KB, 1200x712, 150:89, DolwXd1UYAAF0Jc.jpg)

Notice the rooftop farming on the first picture.

DPRK fishing villages look pretty comfy.

DPRK replaced their old trams from the CSSR with modern, domestically produced ones this year.


 No.104958

File: fa1d3504889eecc⋯.jpg (271.11 KB, 1200x772, 300:193, DoREmSeV4AA22X7.jpg)

File: 572e6825b71f8d0⋯.jpg (169.19 KB, 1200x658, 600:329, DoREmSVXgAAwHGN.jpg)

International football school and a farming cooperative


 No.104959

File: befdfea1730d60e⋯.jpg (298.06 KB, 1200x720, 5:3, DoYnL-EU0AAFczD.jpg)

File: 1f2004b3e5b9e2b⋯.jpg (196.58 KB, 1200x621, 400:207, DoYnHH5UYAAPYJ-.jpg)

File: 46509ba719ea17e⋯.jpg (119.55 KB, 1200x600, 2:1, DoYmuSEVAAc4XV-.jpg)

Nature in North Korea


 No.104960

File: ee6c6cfa42a178c⋯.jpg (280.34 KB, 1199x737, 109:67, DoJSbTrVsAAivr-.jpg)

File: f73ff8860c4b32b⋯.jpg (335.81 KB, 1200x826, 600:413, DoJSbRWUcAAWzij.jpg)

File: 419020f3ff615e6⋯.jpg (133.34 KB, 1200x617, 1200:617, DoJSLAUVsAAM57t.jpg)

this is how self-service works within the world's biggest seafood restautant in the DPRK


 No.104978

>>104955

>How do they manage to keep popping out these buildings with the sanctions?!

Slave labour.


 No.104981

>>104978

Do you know what the slaveholder mode of production is? Are humans private property in the DPRK? Is there chattel slavery? Come the fuck on, Neocon.


 No.104990

>>104955

>arguing semantics

It is made by a labour force that is paid the bare minimum to survive and reproduce, that works under the threat of violence and has no recourse or ability to improve its conditions through political or social action. They are considered expendable and their labour (not their lives) belong to the State and is used to "advance the Juche idea". What that means is up to Kim Jong Un and right now it seems that means theaters and restaurants for the Pyongyang elite. Come the fuck on, sub.


 No.104992

>>104990

>no_sources.jpg

The Monsu Water Park was also considered an effort to only please the "Pyonyang Elite". Yet it has over a 1000 visitors everyday. So either 1000 people are chairmean in WPK councils, or you are lying.


 No.104998

>>104992

You ask for sources for my claim, then immediately in the next paragraph make claims without backing it up with sources.

>either 1000 people are chairmen in WPK councils or I'm lying

That's a false dichotomy. Chairmen would have families and children, so no, the 1000 do not have to be chairmen in WPK councils.

Furthermore, 'the elite' would be more than 1000 people in a country with a population of 25 million. So there is absolutely a possibility of 1000 people visiting the water park per day and have all those people be members or families of the WPK council members.

To start this discussion someone had asked

>How do they manage to keep popping out these buildings with the sanctions?!

The DPRK, or rather the workers of the DPRK, don't have the productive capacity of the West or other countries, due to lack of technological advancement, trade and sanctions. They have trucks modified to run on wood because they have a fuel shortage.

Where, then, does this productive capacity come from, if not from technics and advanced manufacturing/construction? Were they visited by a race of aliens? Have they developed telepathy and can move things with their mind? I'm going to guess no. Then, the only place all this labour power could come from is people.

What kind of State or regime builds up grand theaters reminiscent of the Romantic period in Europe, restaurants that would make New York blush and water parks, while most of its population still lives in the countryside and engages in substinence farming?

Furthermore, this is kind of an aside, every country on the planet recognises that DPRK's military is weak as fuck, due to logistics and supply obstacles they cannot overcome, and they would be able to resist an invading force for about 24 hours before they got run over. If their military is not a deterrent to invasion (inb4 it is), why do they insist on spending resources and labour time on it? Is it perhaps because of the limited productive capacity of the population there isn't a lot of industrial/factory work so large numbers of people have to become soldiers (I assume it pays decently)? Then, the soldiers have to be fed, clothed, housed and equipped while they themselves don't provide much or any labour-time towards upkeep of the country and therefore exist as a drain on resources, resulting in more people having to be substinence farmers and other support roles.

Maybe that's why there's so much construction going on because technology required for it is quite old, building stuff can be cheap (especially if you don't do the interior like that hotel) and it employs people and gives them something to do.


 No.105052

File: 62658f2bf17d65c⋯.jpg (146.25 KB, 640x427, 640:427, HamhungOpera.jpg)

File: c538ceffb24b7be⋯.jpg (45.96 KB, 675x368, 675:368, childrens camp near wonsan.jpg)

File: 4b37030d235f050⋯.jpg (113.16 KB, 690x360, 23:12, soldiers-farming-northkore….jpg)

File: b732ad570fccf7f⋯.jpg (170.57 KB, 1024x683, 1024:683, n13.jpg)

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>>104990

>right now it seems that means theaters and restaurants for the Pyongyang elite.

Then I guess these are for the "Hamhung elite" and the "Wonsan elite".

And I guess >>104956 shows an elite fishing village for the elite fishermen.

inb4 muh songbun

>>104998

>Furthermore, this is kind of an aside, every country on the planet recognises that DPRK's military is weak as fuck, due to logistics and supply obstacles they cannot overcome

>and they would be able to resist an invading force for about 24 hours before they got run over.

Even if we assume that all of that is true, it would take far, far longer than that. The mountainous and hilly terrain is their greatest ally. Link related:

https://archive.fo/ukSnW

>Then, the soldiers have to be fed, clothed, housed and equipped while they themselves don't provide much or any labour-time towards upkeep of the country and therefore exist as a drain on resources, resulting in more people having to be substinence farmers and other support roles.

The soldiers don't just sit around waiting for a war to start. They themselves play an important role in working in agriculture and construction projects. Many of these buildings, including the water park were in fact constructed by KPA soldiers.


 No.105054

File: fe4d4588d66beae⋯.jpeg (31.11 KB, 748x498, 374:249, DrKSGWrVYAAgn2M.jpeg)

File: 2fc58254291c2b1⋯.jpg (22.5 KB, 560x368, 35:23, 45318218_1922668741158545_….jpg)


 No.105207

>>104990

Modes of production are "semantics"?

>>104998

>immediately in the next paragraph make claims without backing it up with sources.

You can see on every video that the water park and the fun fair is packed. The DPRK is not the Matrix. What's so hard to think that the DPRK has an emerging middle class in cities like Pyongyang, Wonsan, etc. that can afford these things? Do you seriously believe the state would build these massive complexes when they are empty all the time? Even if you think they are oppressive, they are not morons.

>Furthermore, 'the elite' would be more than 1000 people in a country with a population of 25 million. So there is absolutely a possibility of 1000 people visiting the water park per day and have all those people be members or families of the WPK council members.

Highly unlikely that they would go to Pyongyang every day, because there are foremen and chairmen all throughout the country. So your calculation should at least take the city population in account. In one documentary, the manager of the water park was saying 20.000 people come every day, let's say they inflated the number and it's just 10.000 - that still a lot. Life in Pyongyang is pretty good, relatively speaking/.

>The DPRK, or rather the workers of the DPRK, don't have the productive capacity of the West or other countries, due to lack of technological advancement, trade and sanctions. They have trucks modified to run on wood because they have a fuel shortage.

Yes, and? Clearly that's the fault of the sanctions - which is why they develop more green technologies as they don't want to be dependent on fossil fuels.

>Where, then, does this productive capacity come from, if not from technics and advanced manufacturing/construction? Were they visited by a race of aliens? Have they developed telepathy and can move things with their mind? I'm going to guess no. Then, the only place all this labour power could come from is people.

Yes, and? Because they have manual labour they are bad? It's also completely silly to claim that you could build things like Mirae Scientist's Street within a year with just hammer and chisel. They probably hire Chinese companies as well.

>What kind of State or regime builds up grand theaters reminiscent of the Romantic period in Europe, restaurants that would make New York blush and water parks, while most of its population still lives in the countryside and engages in substinence farming?

I don't think their architecture is copy-pasting romantic palaces, but that's beside the point. You are implying that building nice things in the capital simultanously lowers the quality of life on the countryside. One of the great goals they've set on the last two party congresses was to develop the countryside. I didn't claim that there was no unequal development.

>Furthermore, this is kind of an aside, every country on the planet recognises that DPRK's military is weak as fuck

Compared to what, to the US? Yes. For a developing nation? No.

>and they would be able to resist an invading force for about 24 hours before they got run over

Complete speculation. Their terrain is their friend. You'd have said the same shit about the North Vietnamese.

>Then, the soldiers have to be fed, clothed, housed and equipped while they themselves don't provide much or any labour-time towards upkeep of the country and therefore exist as a drain on resources, resulting in more people having to be substinence farmers and other support roles.

Soldiers participate plenty in construction and help with farming. To claim that the big military is a huge stretch on the economy would be false. When there was a flood, a division was detached and they built new houses. In the US the state fails to provide proper hurricane relief.


 No.105211

>>105207

>emerging middle class


 No.105227

>>105211

Yes, is that bad? "Middle class" doesn't mean petit-bourgeois. It just means there are more and more people who are relatively well off, aren't traidtional workers in factories and stuff, etc.


 No.105229

>>105227

buddy if you like middle classes then i've got some great news for you about this place called south korea


 No.105233

>>105229

South Korea isn't socialist. If I like sandwiches, should I move to the US?


 No.105234

>>105233

>implying north korea is socialist


 No.105235

>>105234

That's a silly thing to say. The means of production are commonly owned in the DPRK, and production is regulated by a plan, not by profit, and commodity production is marginalized.

To give a more concrete example what I mean by "middle class", a term that was maybe badly chosen because of its connotations, in 2015 only 3 million people used smartphones in North Korea. In 2018 its 6 million. That means more than every fith person in North Korea owns a smartphone.


 No.105236

>>105207

>Do you seriously believe the state would build these massive complexes when they are empty all the time?

Nice strawman. I never claimed they were empty, I said they were for 'the elite', which in DPRK's case is the 'emerging middle class' you speak of. Compared to living on a farm in the countryside, the amenities available to Pyongyang's well-off must seem like a dream.

>I didn't claim that there was no unequal development.

What's the reasoning behind the unequal development? I never said raising of standards in one part decreases them in another, all I'm saying that Pyongyang seems to be developing much much faster than the countryside.

>One of the great goals they've set on the last two party congresses was to develop the countryside.

More on this? Pictures?

>Their terrain is their friend.

And the enemy. Feeding an army of millions in the mountains is not an easy task. Especially if whoever is attacking them bombs their rail lines. Any war with DPRK would end in DPRK's surrender or annihilation, because they can be carpet bombed again. Their posturing is obviously done for the benefit of their population who don't have a reference point and don't know what other countries have in their arsenal.

>In the US the state fails to provide proper hurricane relief.

Cuba provides proper hurricane relief and they're not a de-facto monarchy.

>the manager of the water park was saying 20.000 people come every day, let's say they inflated the number and it's just 10.000

I wanted to stop reading after this but didn't want to be rude. If you really believe 10,000 people visit the water park every day, and you believe the manager, then we really do live in different worlds.

I'd like nothing more than DPRK be a successful socialist nation for the sake of its people. But it really does seem like there is a large part of the population that only works, and has nothing enriching their lives, while the people in the capital enjoy water parks and theaters and bowling alleys. Do you have any data on libraries in the countryside, theaters, schools, anything else but farms…


 No.105237

>>105235

>That means more than every fith person in North Korea owns a smartphone.

So do millions of poor Indians and Africans. Smartphones are very cheap now and owning a smartphone cannot be used as a marker of how well a people are doing.


 No.105238

>>105235

>more than every fith person in North Korea owns a smartphone

lmao, i thought the whole promise of the feudal nightmare that is "state capitalism" was that it could produce living standards on par with liberal democracies


 No.105243

File: b1f4c248372f845⋯.jpg (161.97 KB, 1304x534, 652:267, 14112017KP2-1.jpg)

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>>105236

>Compared to living on a farm in the countryside, the amenities available to Pyongyang's well-off must seem like a dream.

1. The farms are not as shitty as you think they are, they don't live in the middle ages on the countryside

2. Ask an American farmer in Kansas what he thinks about Manhattan or Beverly Hills

>What's the reasoning behind the unequal development?

You would have to ask an North Korean economists. Obviously they didn't mention to overcome the dichtomoty between city and country, but still, most of their coops are arranged like their own little town. They built examples of coops that are regularly visited and administered by the leader and are supposed to be an example for the less developed areas. Local administration is urged to copy them. Also, North Korea is has strong regionalism, this has historical reasons, despite all the collectivization.

>I'm saying that Pyongyang seems to be developing much much faster than the countryside.

True, but development is often exponential. It's obviously much harder to modernize a commune that relies on Ox carts and heat with Methan gas due to the energy shortage, than a modern city like Pyongyang.

>More on this? Pictures?

I read this on 38North. All I can find for now is this:

<In the countryside, too, signs of improving living standards are visible, including solar panels, TV antennas, cars in front of farmer’s houses, shops, restaurants and so forth. In 2012, an extra school year has been introduced for all the country’s children.

https://www.38north.org/2013/12/rfrank121213/

To give a concrete example:

<Changsong County in North Phyongan Province is located along the Amnok River in the northwestern tip of Korea. Mountains account for 95% of the county and its limited area of arable land was so barren that it was known as unfit for human inhabitation.

<This remote mountainous region, however, underwent a tremendous change in the era of the WPK.

<[…]

<Based on the revitalized local economy and the foundations laid for the improvement of the people’s livelihood, the county erected the Undok Health Complex and county people’s hospital on the bank of Yongju River in the county town two years previously. And last year a project of buildings embankments of the Yongju River in the town area and the construction of 50 dwelling houses in Kumya-ri were completed. This year 40 households were moved to new houses built in the county town. At present several multi-storey apartment buildings are nearing completion and a children’s park is under construction in the town, thereby facelifting the appearance of the county.

<The county people are enjoying their cultural and leisure activities at a higher level.

https://exploredprk.com/articles/changsong-today/

Clealry, efforts are made to improve the development in the countryside. But especially in this area it's hard because of the energy shortage, since agricultural machines need shittons of oil, so for now it restricts itself to greenhouses and solar-powered farms, but no machinization of agriculture you'd find on a megafarm in the Midwest.

>Any war with DPRK would end in DPRK's surrender or annihilation, because they can be carpet bombed again. Their posturing is obviously done for the benefit of their population who don't have a reference point and don't know what other countries have in their arsenal.

I highly doubt carpet bombing is that efficient as you make it out to be. If anything, mass bombings would rally the population behind their leadership. They also fought to the death in the Korean War, and mind you, the US never managed to completely defeat them. But guess what, it doesn't fucking matter a single bit and is all hypothetical - because they have nukes, which are obviously supposed to overcome the predicament you describe. Kim Jong Un already decleared the end of the Songun era.


 No.105245

File: 4157be1c8288073⋯.jpg (170.56 KB, 1200x800, 3:2, Do1RxXsUUAEZMsL.jpg)

>>105236

>>105243

>Cuba provides proper hurricane relief and they're not a de-facto monarchy.

Funny you'd say that considering the DPRK and Cuba have more or less the same political system.

>I wanted to stop reading after this but didn't want to be rude. If you really believe 10,000 people visit the water park every day, and you believe the manager, then we really do live in different worlds.

I don't believe him, that's why I halfed the number. And before you continue sperging out, I made a quick research on how many people visit the Water Park near me, which is smaller than the Munsu Water Park - turns out it's 200.000. So 10k aren't that much, like at all, and it would be way, way less than what water parks in the West receive as visitors and completely realistic.

>But it really does seem like there is a large part of the population that only works, and has nothing enriching their lives, while the people in the capital enjoy water parks and theaters and bowling alleys. Do you have any data on libraries in the countryside, theaters, schools, anything else but farms…

Do you have any evidence that workers are mistreated? The official work day is seven hours with a reasonable break. The problem of the DPRK is actually that not enough people are working because energy shortage in factories causes them to stand still quite a bit, which causes workers to sit on their arses and try to acquire money on the black market. Coops and factories have study rooms, sometimes swiming pools. You can browse exploredprk.com if you want. Here is a link of an older factory, not one of the fancy new ones, and it has a swimming pool:

https://imgur.com/a/G3WQy

Honestly, I believe that if you ignore the stuff that is available in stores, the worker in the DPRK certainly enjoys more leisure than the worker in the RoK. It's a worker's state. When you praise stuff in Cuba like busses with integrated libraries etc. you also need to praise the DPRK because they basically do more or less the same shit.


 No.105247

File: 53408933ead45d2⋯.jpg (157.58 KB, 900x636, 75:53, DWk_l2nVwAATaLH.jpg)

>>105237

Yes, but we are talking about a meticulously planned economy, where distribution of goods is tracked. When the North Korean state provides its people smartphones, its a sign of improvement. This isn't even controversial, even amongst anti-DPRK scholars like Andrei Lankov. You can't compare this with an anarchistic African economy where you have black markets, no state regulation and basically tribal structures that lead to absurdities like having smartphones but no food. In a planned economy, I doubt any planner would preference smartphones over food.

>lmao, i thought the whole promise of the feudal nightmare that is "state capitalism" was that it could produce living standards on par with liberal democracies

It still hasn't relieved itself of the hallmarks of socialism. There is no unemployment, no homelessness (excluding the 1994-1998 famine), no taxes and no rents for living space. Of course it can't provide a living standard equal to a Swiss person or whatever. What do you think would happen to South Korea (which has abject poverty, slums and slave labour) if it was boycotted by all the rich countries? With their export oriented economy in particular? It would be a hellhole ten times worse than North Korea (as it was 1949-1975). My argument is that when you compare countries with the same level of development and material wealth (Rwanda, etc.), the DPRK's socialist system provides far more benefits to their people. If I was Rwandan, I'd wish I could live like the average North Korean. If you look at other Marxist-Leninist countries, like East Germany, they were almost on par with development on the East.


 No.105248

>>105247

*I mean West


 No.105255

File: 8747e0c21b16416⋯.jpg (74.02 KB, 882x424, 441:212, 14112017KP2-2.jpg)

>>105247

>>105243

You posted those two pictures of what is supposed to be the countryside, I'm guessing. But notice the distinct lack of people in the photos. I do not see a single person, can you find one? Also, why no pictures of the interior? :)

There's a person next to the dam, but that's understandable, the dam needs to work.

>2. Ask an American farmer in Kansas what he thinks about Manhattan or Beverly Hills

You keep comparing DPRK to America. The USA is a shithole, so that's not a good bar. Why not compare DPRK to European countries?

>Also, North Korea is has strong regionalism, this has historical reasons, despite all the collectivization.

What about the 'meticulously planned economy'?

<https://www.38north.org/2013/12/rfrank121213/

>Jang Song Thaek has been purged, in a way that suggests that Kim Jong Un wanted to make a point. This unusual procedure is without a doubt a sign of major problems. Otherwise, the overambitious uncle would have been removed silently, as has happened so many times before. But putting all this in great detail on the front page of Monday’s Rodong Sinmun and in prime time news is clearly meant to be a statement, and a warning.

>pic related

I mean, I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but that does not look like a functioning bottling facility.

>no lights on the panel

>machines don't seem to be connected to anything

Have you ever been to a bottling facility? I have, and it definitely has more wires and tubes going from the top of the machines around the conveyor belt. Also, in that picture the bottles remain unchanged as they go around the belt, what's the purpose of it?

>because they have nukes

And no way to deliver the payload reliably.

>Funny you'd say that considering the DPRK and Cuba have more or less the same political system.

Not really.

> I made a quick research on how many people visit the Water Park near me, which is smaller than the Munsu Water Park - turns out it's 200.000

200.000 people visit it, PER DAY?

>Do you have any evidence that workers are mistreated?

No. And you don't have any evidence for any of your claims except State-run media outlets. The fact is, we're both in the dark, you choose to assume the best, I choose to assume the worst. History has shown that when people and countries hide things, they don't usually hide the good stuff.

>When you praise stuff in Cuba like busses with integrated libraries etc. you also need to praise the DPRK because they basically do more or less the same shit.

Cuba allows travel in and out of the country and its citizens can go on the internet and buy Western products. I'm not saying that's necessarily a good thing, but people definitely benefit when they have access to a world outside of their own country.

>When the North Korean state provides its people smartphones, its a sign of improvement.

How do they distribute? Who gets the cell phones? I'm guessing citizens of Pyongyang…

Found this on 38North: https://www.38north.org/2017/12/rcohen120717/

Any advance on that front? That was December 2017.


 No.105256

File: 072e5ab5b679de8⋯.jpg (50.36 KB, 728x546, 4:3, dprkpoolpic.jpg)

Forgot this.

>>105245

> and it has a swimming pool:

>https://imgur.com/a/G3WQy

<pic related :D

"We change the water every 4 hours, which is why it is currently empty"

If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you.


 No.105260

>>105256

Never mind. I just realised I missed the point completely. It is admirable that the pool was even built in a factory. The lack of water is because of lack of everything in the country and if it were possible I'm sure they would fill it.

You did say it was an older factory. But I feel like they engage in large projects that they know they cannot complete or utilise to give a semblance of progress. Take for example that massive hotel that doesn't have an interior. Do we have pictures of interiors of the new apartments and cottages? I am fully aware how ridiculous that sounds but it is possible.


 No.108114

bamp


 No.108156

Peoples Army in America is when


 No.108157

>>105260

>>105256

>There is no water in the DPRK

This is the most ridiculous claim ever, holy shit.


 No.110277

>>108157

There's water. But they can't just collect water in buckets from lakes and rivers and pour it into the pool. The claim is that DPRK doesn't have the necessary energy (pumping and treating water takes energy), infrastructure (pipes decay and need replacing, costing materials and energy), maybe the machinery in the water-treatment plant is old and need fixing.

Online DPRK supporters:

>DPRK is under heavy sanctions and their organisational features are due to poor access to resources

Also online DPRK supporters:

>What do you mean DPRK can't have luxuries? Every citizen has access to spas, pools, resorts…

Any kind of suggestion that DPRK has poor infrastructure and is low on resources, due to wars, isolationism and sanctions and isn't heaven on Earth is taken as criticism against communism itself. Get your head out of your ass.


 No.110319


 No.110325

File: 7c769a6c0f62f99⋯.jpg (73.93 KB, 720x570, 24:19, (((winston))).jpg)

>>65045

☘️they☘️ do this because they want to look like ☘️they☘️ are on the side of the worker if a middle class uprising actually happens. It's so ☘️they☘️ can remain social elites that act as if though they are innocent whilst they subvert the populous to do as ☘️they☘️ please. Kind of like the UK/commonwealth's queen, everyone says she holds no power but she has authority to declare wars for all nations of the British Commonwealth along with less relevant things.

Never fall for politicians and their schemes, there have only been a handful of honest leaders to ever live; such as Caesar, Lenin, Hitler, Franco, etc.


 No.110347

Speaking of DPRK, has anyone played Stay! Stay! DPRK.?


 No.110608

>>36983

>two large portraits of Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin - long a prominent feature of Pyongyang's central Kim Il-sung square - were nowhere to be seen

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/NK02Dg01.html

sad!


 No.114353

Can all North Koreans use Kim Jong-Un's yacht?


 No.114363

>>114353

Is his yacht means of production?


 No.114368

>>110277

It's called "kettle logic", and I've pointed out the same tendency among supporters of Venezuela's Chavista government.

You lend someone a kettle, it breaks, then they ask you, "Why is my kettle broken?" You answer,

a) I never borrowed your kettle

b) It was broken when I borrowed it

c) It's not broken


 No.114449

>>114363

I thought there was no private property in DPRK. If the yacht belongs to the State, then every citizen in a communist country should have access to it, no?

That's how I envision luxuries to be available in communism. There will be yachts left over from capitalism, but they would be available for all to use on a charter/cruise type basis.

Does Kim Jong-Un do the same?


 No.114493

File: 1dbd1687d2e161b⋯.png (24.49 KB, 415x323, 415:323, seriousspurdo.png)

>>114449

I came here to laugh at tankiddies but you're worse, you aren't even using the marxist concept of property in this shitpost.


 No.114502

>>114493

Explain.


 No.114522

File: c1f9d387bf50b1c⋯.png (169.49 KB, 2768x1256, 346:157, virginpresident.png)


 No.115260

>>114502

Maybe read the Communist Manifesto for starters? It points out a difference between personal and private property.


 No.115262

>>115260

>Kim Jong-Un doesn't actually *own* the yacht, he's just the dictator of the state that owns the yacht and he gets exclusive use rights as well as control who gets access to it

Fuck off, you stupid child.


 No.115383

>>115262

If you don't even know the most basic bullshit of what socialism stands for, you are probably from /pol/.


 No.115470

>>115383

>socialism is when the founder of the country is worshipped as a god and successive leaders are his direct offspring, creating a de facto royal family and monarchy

As I said, fuck off you stupid bootlicking child.


 No.115472

>>114353

>>114449

Socialism is not "when you don't own anything." It's each according to their contribution and no commodity production. Whether or not Kim owns a yacht is irrelevant.


 No.115477

>>115472

Nice revisionism.


 No.115478

File: 1b0c25c66cfe09e⋯.webm (7.65 MB, 480x360, 4:3, 07 aug 2017.webm)

File: 9a5a7c908faf369⋯.png (127.15 KB, 423x230, 423:230, pyongyang metro conspiracy.png)

File: a783d1b2dc670ca⋯.png (691.85 KB, 1080x1859, 1080:1859, envy_of_the_developing_wor….png)

File: 399d27dd9b8093a⋯.jpg (1.42 MB, 1280x1780, 64:89, parenti on anti communist ….jpg)

File: 83a863ce513d539⋯.png (1.95 MB, 2170x1080, 217:108, kim jong il on racism.png)

>>105255

But notice the distinct lack of people in the photos. I do not see a single person, can you find one? Also, why no pictures of the interior? :)

Official photographers from the DPRK seem to have a habit of taking photos when nobody is around.

But then again, the photos which do have people are accused of being staged anyway.

See >>59377 for photo taken by an amateur where people are visible.

Playlist of DPRK outside Pyongyang:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbnLysSug0vRGybbn_CXAaZ_WCj8Fe-ry

>Jang Song Thaek has been purged, in a way that suggests that Kim Jong Un wanted to make a point. This unusual procedure is without a doubt a sign of major problems. Otherwise, the overambitious uncle would have been removed silently, as has happened so many times before. But putting all this in great detail on the front page of Monday’s Rodong Sinmun and in prime time news is clearly meant to be a statement, and a warning.

Jang Song Thaek was a supporter of capitalist restoration through Dengist market reforms and was building his own faction in the party.

>I mean, I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but that does not look like a functioning bottling facility.

It seems to work just fine in this video taken by a tourist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xEHF4Bgsdw

<The bottles used are old bottles which have their labels removed at the factory and are cleaned, sterilised, refilled and relabelled

>How do they distribute? Who gets the cell phones? I'm guessing citizens of Pyongyang

There are more phone users than the population of Pyongyang.

>>105260

Ryugong was only left incomplete due to the crisis after the fall of the Eastern Bloc. Construction resumed years ago and the exterior is complete while the interior is still under construction. Also, it is planned as a mixed use building and not just a hotel.

>>110319

>>110325

See last image

>>110608

>socialism is when you have pictures of people on display

Enver Hoxha tier

>>115262

wow just like every single country with sea access and an official government vessel


 No.115527

>>115262

You can personally own things under communism.

You can have things that are yours that it would be theft for someone else to take or use without your permission in communism.

Not even defending dear leader having a yacht here but it is in no way a contradiction of socialism, just an indication of corruption.


 No.115543

>>110608

I guess the US isn't capitalist because I can't remember the last time I saw a statue of Adam Smith.


 No.115561

>>115478

>people are walking on sidewalks in north korea without getting gunned down or catching on fire.

>There is even a 16 station city metro.

these have got to the lowest standards imaginable.


 No.115572

File: c4814611604ff30⋯.jpg (398.41 KB, 750x397, 750:397, a661f9f6569bcf043d869ecb06….jpg)

>>115561

>anon asks where all the people are and suggests there might be some conspiracy by DPRK with fake buildings and factories

>provide unofficial videos where people can be seen and give example of liberals seeing a conspiracy where there was none

<missing the point this hard


 No.117207

File: 4cf87000cb10edd⋯.webm (12.64 MB, 640x360, 16:9, arrested for praising kim….webm)


 No.117208

File: fcf50ab38cec310⋯.webm (1.63 MB, 640x360, 16:9, defector on dprk dictator….webm)


 No.117279

File: 5b2b8c318f41476⋯.jpg (68.83 KB, 1200x675, 16:9, So tirering.jpg)


 No.117457

>>117207

>>117208

Not that south korea is any good, but it's pretty obvious Kim's propaganda really did a number on this man.


 No.117460

>>117457

Yeah, go tell a Korean how his own country actually is. You sound no better than these neoliberals thinking the Russians are "brainwashed" because of communist nostalgia in polls.


 No.117472

>>117460

>thinking the dprk is a fantastic communist paradise of worker control

this is your brain on tankism


 No.117473

>>117472

Worker control does equal a "communist paradise", but have fun shifting goalposts left and right.


 No.117474

>>117473

you're right worker control is a communist paradise, but it sure as hell isnt whats happening in NK


 No.117629

>>117473

>he thinks DPRK has worker control

I bet the workers decided themselves that they cannot leave their provinces.


 No.117695

File: 7abdfc918448605⋯.webm (1.5 MB, 480x360, 4:3, 中天進入北韓 採訪過程全紀錄.webm)

File: dedf0592f145bc2⋯.webm (2.51 MB, 480x360, 4:3, dpr koreans in finland te….webm)

File: 2935d9db7511f5b⋯.jpg (573.56 KB, 1080x846, 60:47, korean workplace organizat….jpg)

File: af7e91a6374e1dd⋯.png (703.36 KB, 1080x1859, 1080:1859, envy of the developing wor….png)

File: 754713e9a87ac67⋯.png (1.79 MB, 1080x1485, 8:11, hdi 1995.png)

>>117629

>I bet the workers decided themselves that they cannot leave their provinces.

Even anti-DPRK propaganda networks like LINK say that they can travel inside the country as long as they have a permit. This sort of internal passport existed in USSR and China as well.

>>117474

I think what he meant was "does not". But regardless, they do have it to a greater degree than the USSR and several other socialist states did.

And nobody claims it is a paradise. Just that like Cuba they are doing extremely well despite the conditions they face.

If it was bad as the propaganda depicts it, the Worker-Peasant Red Guards would have revolted years ago.


 No.117701

>>117695

What's the story behind the second webm?


 No.117705

File: b5d24af64e80997⋯.png (31.98 KB, 140x192, 35:48, Choi_Hong_Hi.png)

>>117701

Koreans from the DPRK teaching Taekwondo (ITF) in Finland. Taken from here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLx7XdzdTTI

The founder of Taekwondo was Choi Hong Hi, an ROK army general who established the ITF (International Taekwondo Federation) in 1966. He later went into political exile to Canada in 1972 and eventually defected to the DPRK.


 No.117716

File: 5fb9af65e189d8b⋯.webm (6.82 MB, 480x360, 4:3, FuckYeahCollectivization.webm)

>>117695

>the Worker-Peasant Red Guards

Imagine still having a peasant class in 1938+80.


 No.117718

File: 3f6f133761e83e4⋯.jpg (56.79 KB, 668x441, 668:441, 200731481_1280.jpg)

File: 1d341690672ddff⋯.jpg (71.74 KB, 1080x768, 45:32, the opposite of what pol p….jpg)

>>117716

>Imagine still having a peasant class in 1938+80.

It's just what they call the militia. The majority of the population are workers in the cities.

Even the Red Army of the USSR was officially called the "Workers and Peasants Red Army".


 No.118192

>>117473

>Marxist-Leninist

>knowing anything about worker control

<Uhhh soo if our “dictatorship of the proletariat” takes over the means of production and makes economic plans that means workers are in control and manage themselves!

<workers ACTUALLY self-managing? Whoa that sounds a bit ultra-left of you, revisionist! Muh massive bureaucracy will surely wither away just like Engels said!

t. tankie


 No.119526

File: 4c02a541d6ac12c⋯.png (2.31 MB, 900x1365, 60:91, patriots traitors and empi….png)

File: b11e964e3ad027e⋯.pdf (3.28 MB, Patriots, Traitors and Emp….pdf)


 No.123848

File: 8329cbe4b456ed1⋯.jpg (1.1 MB, 1170x1590, 39:53, kim jong il - abuses of so….jpg)

File: dec05436c08eee3⋯.jpg (733.84 KB, 1307x1769, 1307:1769, kim jong il - historical l….jpg)

File: 7e868ef5408a259⋯.png (1.62 MB, 998x2246, 499:1123, socialist korea monthly re….png)

File: 8247b9eeef0cf05⋯.jpg (128.8 KB, 1024x639, 1024:639, n03.jpg)

File: def524fc52d17bb⋯.jpg (47.82 KB, 640x360, 16:9, honor for us to be tankies.jpg)

>>118192

The workers participate in the planning and management process. See third image and https://archive.fo/HbuXi

Bureaucracy must be actively eliminated with implementation of the mass line.


 No.123860

File: 3638bf7b4b4947d⋯.jpg (155.07 KB, 750x421, 750:421, dprkstadium.jpg)

File: 4dde7ace1c452f4⋯.jpg (263.84 KB, 716x429, 716:429, pyongyang-may-day-stadium-….jpg)

They have a really nice stadium, also the biggest in the world.


 No.123870

>>123860

Oh god, that seating arrangement is awful. The 300-level is practically in a different city.


 No.124264

>>64331

>creepy 90s mall architecture is real socialism!


 No.124275

File: c9733e41371b02c⋯.pdf (10.34 MB, Socialist Korea - Monthly ….pdf)

File: 98cc3b4e81574d4⋯.png (1.7 MB, 854x1232, 61:88, socialist korea cover.png)

File: e462e2b37a2db13⋯.png (1.32 MB, 1088x1216, 17:19, socialist korea flap.png)

File: 5c73adf665c62aa⋯.png (1.24 MB, 1088x1216, 17:19, socialist korea back flap.png)


 No.124339

>>124264

If you don't like the DPRK's retro-SciFi style colourful heartwarming architecture, you are an absolute plan.


 No.124340

>>124339

*absolute pleb*


 No.124348

>>124342

No. Why would there be? There's no crime and everyone in DPRK is loyal to the country and Juche.


 No.124387

>>123870

The fuck are you chatting


 No.124417

>>124342

kimmy boy wouldn't be able to hold onto the throne without a state of the art security apparatus.


 No.124454

File: f895001e0d11596⋯.jpg (102.19 KB, 705x768, 235:256, CubaSocialismoMod.jpg)

File: 5f6bc03c5ae379a⋯.webm (13.48 MB, 640x360, 16:9, Kundschafterlied (Spy Son….webm)

File: c7b3307301f99c1⋯.jpeg (73.03 KB, 640x715, 128:143, park jin sik criminal.jpeg)

File: f51d1c21aab278f⋯.jpg (59.56 KB, 480x360, 4:3, kim il sung quote party di….jpg)

>>124342

They went a similar route as Cuba by making everyone part of a neighborhood watch which informs on counter-revolutionary activity. Where Cuba has the CDR, DPRK has the inminban.

>>124348

>no crime

literally nobody has ever claimed that but okay


 No.126993

File: be5bcc67056a56e⋯.png (42.2 KB, 1317x1034, 1317:1034, dprk planning and supply.png)

File: a38778598395fb8⋯.png (36.53 KB, 1292x990, 646:495, dprk education system 1972….png)

File: cc055b824c06111⋯.png (93.65 KB, 1458x1365, 486:455, dprk agrarian and industri….png)

File: bad4752323daca3⋯.png (21.36 KB, 971x636, 971:636, dprk superstructure.png)

>>124275

charts from the book


 No.127028

>>126993

The Leader is at the top of everything in there yet tankiddies will still deny Kim is a literal absolutist monarch.


 No.127034

File: 5a58b9d211d55a4⋯.jpg (2.59 MB, 1080x2510, 108:251, question of leadership.JPG)

File: d6bcc99db8064cb⋯.jpg (34.03 KB, 1024x411, 1024:411, 28335982_10155854510986049….jpg)

File: 41c35005228ef3f⋯.jpg (106.23 KB, 591x334, 591:334, dprk parliament.jpg)

File: fd9d84bbbe5ef32⋯.jpg (95.33 KB, 830x960, 83:96, spa july 2016.jpg)

File: c7bf69fd4328e22⋯.png (81.6 KB, 600x340, 30:17, venezuela_north_korea_madu….png)

>>127028

>the party having a leader equals absolutist monarchy

>ignoring that this simplified diagram does not mention what exactly the leader even does, what he is accountable to or how he is chosen

Also see:

>>51168

>>69995


 No.127036

File: b1f4c248372f845⋯.jpg (161.97 KB, 1304x534, 652:267, 14112017KP2-1.jpg)

File: e8ee5babb25ab06⋯.jpg (92.77 KB, 800x263, 800:263, e-20171230-b01-11.jpg)

File: 76021eaac68cbea⋯.jpg (176.73 KB, 900x566, 450:283, e-20181101-b01-1.jpg)

>>127028

Every country has a head of government, that doesn't make them a monarch. The last graph you are referring to is also from a book of the height of the Kim il-Sung era, the position of the leader has changed and was transformed according to different conditions during the subsequent leadership of Kim Jong-il (who was head of the National Defense Commission) and Kim Jong-un (who is head of the state council). The position of Kim il-Sung wasn't ever given to someone else, instead he's referred to as the 'Eternal President'.


 No.127101

>>127034

>chosen

it's hereditary

>>127036

>it's not a king, just call it something else

delusion


 No.127460

File: a05a5e69582ec51⋯.jpg (206.21 KB, 1920x1279, 1920:1279, juchevision.jpg)

Man, this thread was eye-opening - I have been fed lies all my damn life. I thought I knew the extent of the US imperialist propaganda machine, but I was actually a retard all along.


 No.127657

File: da4ad46f5b06690⋯.jpg (99.7 KB, 892x960, 223:240, 50946131_522810714895763_4….jpg)

File: 3ec1c67ad4cae9e⋯.jpg (308.89 KB, 900x1037, 900:1037, multi_photo_2017-08-08_dn3….jpg)

File: 22dbabecc31134b⋯.png (175.13 KB, 753x682, 753:682, premier of the cabinet 199….png)

>>127101

>it's hereditary

>just call it something else

It is from election by the SPA and Party Central Committee. And after Kim Il Sung died people from other families became the Premier of the Cabinet and the President of SPA Presidium, which are currently held by Pak Pong Ju and Kim Yong Nam.

It's not just "called something else". The Presidency of the DPRK was never reassigned to anyone, and the roles carried out by the President were divided up among posts including the Premier and the SPA Presidium, as well as the NDC/SAC.

The NDC which was filled with KPA generals and the SAC which has mostly civilian members are also different institutions.


 No.127658

File: 7900ae50a5e5185⋯.png (265 KB, 510x450, 17:15, pak pong ju speech.png)

>>127657

wrong image


 No.130434

File: 36a872db8a5072a⋯.png (801.97 KB, 583x878, 583:878, north korean journey.png)

File: 2c1b312e456275c⋯.pdf (11.65 MB, North Korean Journey.pdf)

.


 No.130569

File: 58ed56319c9564e⋯.jpeg (500.62 KB, 1229x1281, 1229:1281, F811FD31-CCBC-4D1D-9B84-A….jpeg)

Do you even waste your time debating people on the DPRK? All I did was praise Songun and tell Kim to build more nukes and now I’m inundated with mouthbreathers who think the free market existed since time eternal


 No.130850


 No.130854


 No.130884

File: 37371e2ea49b950⋯.jpg (36.3 KB, 720x722, 360:361, 49829621_2295858870701563_….jpg)


 No.130888

>>130884

I've never come across a tankie who likes Dengism.


 No.130892

>>130888

see r/communism

They defend ML states, DPRK, and modern China.


 No.131013

File: 0f876625ab1f8c7⋯.jpeg (42.91 KB, 590x350, 59:35, C1B1F117-44B0-44F3-8203-0….jpeg)

>>130888

Dengism is literally only attacked by no-books brainlets online. For anyone with a brain China is undergoing an extended NEP and it has been working wonderously. From one of the poorest countries on the globe to prosperity – the capitalist stage was necessary for the Chinese revolution


 No.131033

>>131013

>"i-its NEP I sw-swear guys!"


 No.131054

>>131033

It’s basically a complete copy of the NEP. Remember that Lenin intended for the NEP to last much longer than it really did. Furthermore, let’s take a look at how Lenin actually described the NEP:

>retention of land in the hands of the state

>retention of the commanding heights in the sphere of production, transportation

>freedom of trade in the sphere of petty production

>state capitalism in the sense of attracting private capital (both concessions and mixed companies).

>NEP as a retreat to state-capitalism

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1922/nov/13b.htm

China is state-capitalist under the aegis of a socialist government. The only people who cry about “muh billionaires” in government are those who do not prioritize ideology over immediate class origin.


 No.131057


 No.131061

>>131057

>Bloomberg

If China hires Blackwater in Xinjiang I really don’t give a fuck but are you really sinking the level of posting bourgeois rags in order to “prove” anything?


 No.131073

>>131013

whoring out your workers for foreign capital and the first trillion dollar corporation is gonna be a big yikes from me, xi.


 No.131096

>>131061

>If China hires Blackwater in Xinjiang I really don’t give a fuck

Critical support for Blackwater in their struggle against bourgeois steppe-people


 No.131111

File: f5ab8bb8ac84da5⋯.jpeg (89.04 KB, 916x660, 229:165, DxCSFAhWoAEUP1Q.jpeg)

>>131054

>class position doesn't matter as much as $$$ideology$$$

It's beyond parody at this point.


 No.131119

>>131013

at last they admit that china is capitalist, now if they could only realise the implications of having a ruling class which is tied to an exploitative economic system


 No.131157

read mariategui fucking cunts


 No.131181

>>131157

el peruANO


 No.131339

>>131111

All hail revolutionary comrade Erik Prince, defender of Juche!


 No.131348

File: e442979aa7d0d90⋯.jpg (290.81 KB, 937x552, 937:552, henryandxi.jpg)

>>131339

WE MUST SUPPORT AMERICAN IMPERIALISM IN ITS NOBLE STRUGGLE AGAINST AMERICAN IMPERIALISM


 No.133536

File: 6e6740fbc0f414f⋯.webm (5.78 MB, 640x360, 16:9, 2016 7th WPK Congress Ope….webm)

File: 7cc167834415d05⋯.png (1.28 MB, 1080x1464, 45:61, kim jong il on imperialist….png)

File: d4d045d966f8a8d⋯.pdf (3.47 MB, ccp_perspectives_in_china.pdf)

File: 7381fe235a581e5⋯.png (17.07 KB, 521x394, 521:394, chinese_communist_party.PNG)

File: 756c5d057db9b93⋯.jpg (356.04 KB, 1462x1097, 1462:1097, chinalovesisrael-e15399432….jpg)

>>131013

Kim Jong Un himself purged a Dengist faction led by his traitorous uncle Jang Song Thaek in 2013 and condemned the calls for "reform and opening up" in the 7th WPK Congress of 2016.

>Despite the filthy wind of bourgeois liberty and reform and openness blowing in our neighborhood, we let the spirit of songun rifles fly and advanced according to the path of socialism that we had chosen.

https://www.38north.org/2016/05/rfrank052016/

The capitalist media which interprets his intention to further economic development as Dengism may as well call Kim Il Sung a Dengist. These are the same people who intepret the improvement in living standards of the DPRK in recent years as representing a return to capitalism. With the absurd mindset that socialism makes people poor and causes a lack of goods therefore the opposite occurring must definitely mean a return to capitalism. Of course, both the DPRK and Cuba have made some concessions in order to survive in a sea of capitalism without the Eastern bloc, as stated earlier in >>80707 , however this is nowhere near what China and Vietnam have done.

And since the Hanoi summit collapsed, a return to byungjin policy of parallel development of economy and military seems likely, as they themselves warned last year.

https://www.38north.org/2018/11/rcarlin111318/

>>131054

>>131061

>It’s basically a complete copy of the NEP

The Soviet NEP allowed for foreign investment and market competition between worker-owned enterprises. Private employment was strictly limited and the industry wasn't privatized. An actual bourgeoisie class did not form under the Soviet NEP so when they started rolling it back in the Stalin era, the only opposition came from kulaks and small store owners. Meanwhile China has an entrenched bourgeoisie class with literal billionaires to form an opposition. Even if the CPC decided to return China to socialism now, they would have to do it through a bloody class war. And as the composition of the CPC is filled with people who just want a party card used as capital for future benefits, I doubt there is political will for it. The USSR took one step back to take two steps forward, China took several steps back and ended up in quicksand. It has been 40 years. At this point "Socialism by 2050" seems as likely as Khrushchev's "Communism in 20 years".

>>131348

China can't even be bothered to veto sanctions against the DPRK. Their foreign policy has been retarded even since the Mao era.

>allying with USA and NATO against so-called Soviet "social-imperialism"

>funding and training "mujahideen" against Socialist Afghanistan

>aiding Somalia and various rebel groups against Socialist Ethiopia

>recognizing the Pinochet junta and Francoist Spain

>recognizing the Zionist entity and having good relations with them


 No.134857

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 No.134861

>>134857

>sacred territory

nice material analysis lmao


 No.134872

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 No.134875

>>134857

>inalienable

KEK. So much for that.


 No.138717

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>>134872

>I grandi e autentici rivoluzionari del mondo son due: Mussolini e Hitler.

WDHMBT


 No.138719

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>>51168

President of SPA Presidium is now Choe Ryong Hae

https://archive.is/0amIw


 No.143123

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North Korea urges UN chief to address ship seizure by ‘gangster’ US

>North Korea has asked United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres to deal with the “illegal” seizure of one of its cargo ships by the United States, state media said on Saturday.

>“This act of dispossession has clearly indicated that the United States is indeed a gangster country that does not care at all about international laws,” the North Korean ambassador to the United Nations said in a letter sent to Guterres dated Friday, according to North Korea’s KCNA news agency.

>Pyongyang’s protest to the United Nations over the seizure comes amid mounting tensions since a second summit between North Korean leader Kim Jong Un and U.S. President Donald Trump, aimed at bringing about the denuclearization of the North, broke down in Hanoi in February.

>The letter also called for “urgent measures” by Guterres and claimed that Washington infringed the North’s sovereignty and violated U.N. charters.

>With the denuclearization talks stalled, North Korea went ahead with more weapons tests this month. The tests were seen as a protest by Kim after Trump rejected his calls for sanctions relief at the Hanoi summit.

>North Korea has said the ship seizure violated the spirit of the summit and demanded the return of the vessel without delay.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/18/north-korea-urges-un-chief-to-address-ship-seizure-by-gangster-us.html




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