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File: da6a7bfacd83f72⋯.png (217.38 KB, 800x450, 16:9, ClipboardImage.png)

 No.142449

Who should I vote for in the upcoming EU elections? Is there even any point to it?

 No.142451

Vote for the communist party, of course.

>Is there even any point to it?

Considering it takes literally just 30 min of your time on a Sunday you'd otherwise spent watching Filipino dwarf porn, yes.


 No.142453

Vote however you need to to make the parliament as anti-EU as possible.


 No.142454

>>142451

>Gee we have no statistical chance of winning since most normal fags will vote for centrist parties to keep the status quo and on the off chance we do the government will most likely subvert it or kill us but I guess we should vote anyway because it's easy

You'd be doing more for the cause by lecturing people for 30 minutes outside the front doors when the polls open. Then they'd vote for the communist party, you yourself don't, and they'd walk out with a new outlook even if it's clear they "wasted" (lmao rhetorical) their votes.


 No.142455

>>142451

We have two communist parties. One of them is the actually-existing-socialism nostalgia group who are known for their support of the ruling party and their good relations with actual fascists. The other does not run but told their supporters to vote for the neoliberal "socialists". I think I'll pass.


 No.142456

>>142454

>Then they'd vote for the communist party, you yourself don't, and they'd walk out with a new outlook even if it's clear they "wasted" (lmao rhetorical) their votes.

One doesn't exclude the other. If you make 20 people vote correctly, then obviously that's a good substitute. It's still bullshit to boycott elections, it's not qualitatively different from other action like building dual power or do union work.

>>142455

Which country are you from?


 No.142457

>>142456

Hungary


 No.142459

>>142457

Is that the first one you talked about?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Workers%27_Party

How have they cooperated with the ruling party?


 No.142462

>>142459

They did not cooperate, at least not publicly, but after the election Thürmer congratulated Orbán and told everyone that the Hungarian workers made a good decision by voting for him, since Orbán is doing the same things they would do by providing stability and security.


 No.142464

>>142449

>Who should I vote for in the upcoming EU elections? Is there even any point to it?

More than half the people don't show up to vote. If they did the entire election could change. Idiots who stay home are just declaring themselves betas who like to be told what to do


 No.142465

>>142464

What if there's no one to vote for, though?


 No.142466

>>142465

There's always someone to vote for, whether you want to vote leftie or accelerationist. You can either vote for the most leftist/accelerationist candidate; or if they're unbearable, vote for their biggest enemy.


 No.142467

Probably the party in your country standing for GUE/NGL (Party of European left: leftist, euroskeptic), if you don't like that party or whatever there's also the Greens (European Green Party: centre left/left) or S&D (Party of European Socialists: centre left probably the most popular centre left party in your country) but they're both pro EU (unless you like that I guess). Kinda depends on the parties you get to vote for and what they're like in your country


 No.142485

>>142466

What does accelerationist mean here? Should I vote for the neo-Nazis?


 No.142495

File: 22b28ed0c0b5324⋯.jpg (371 KB, 2048x1024, 2:1, 22b.jpg_large.jpg)

here is who voted for article 13 in Germany, fuck them


 No.142500

>>142495

Oh my God what the fuck is wrong with the CDU.


 No.142511

>>142449

I am really unsure this time.

I won't vote Die Linke as long as Kipping and Riexinger are in charge. Fuck these faggots, they want to turn it into a second SPD with all it's flaws and are even willing to go into coalition with them and the Greens despite right-wingers being in the majority (and thankfully they are in decline and will never get a majority).

But thankfully to the dismay of the establishment a court removed the hurdle so any party that reaches 0.5% can get it.

So either it's die PARTEI, helping Martin and Nico get their second seat, or Diem25 helping Valve Hat man.


 No.142549

>>142511

Can I get you to vote for the DKP? DieLinke are awful, PARTEI is a joke party, and DiEM are super-hyper-reformist even though slightly more appealing than DieLinke.

We got 0,15% at the last Bundestagswahl, and didn't even run in half the states. This time we run everywhere and 0,5% isn't unrealistic.


 No.142552

File: 019f2bb39cc31a8⋯.jpg (3.97 MB, 4032x3024, 4:3, 15577274476351949309095096….jpg)

>>142511

>>142549

…and this time we also have a proper program.

- out of the EU and NATO

- immediate stop to all provocations to Russia, peace with Russia

- stop PESCO

- no compromises with the European imperialist bourgeoisie

- cancel all debts

- pay all debts by nationalizing all banks and collectivize all corporations


 No.142557

File: 13dd9951675a116⋯.jpg (48.06 KB, 600x404, 150:101, ba99ea4a802f9d15ef4e15e3f6….jpg)


 No.142560

>>142552

Why do ever "communist" party's program has ten pages about how Putin never did anything wrong and we should all suck his dick? Makes them really hard to take seriously.


 No.142562

File: b00d42886138089⋯.png (392.97 KB, 1408x3488, 44:109, b00d42886138089cdc26bac390….png)

File: 8df575bb26f3885⋯.png (3.53 MB, 2870x1754, 1435:877, Screen Shot 2019-01-11 at ….png)

>>142495

>SPD

>DIE LINKE

my sides


 No.142584

>>142562

Becoming a classcuck after gaining power is not specific to socdems, it's the fate of everyone who foolishly still believe that they can use the state as a tool against capital.


 No.142605

>>142584

Yes, Lenin and Stalin, they absolutely became classcucks after they got in power, right


 No.142613

>>142584

>Ignoring Marx's predictions that the state will wither away through socialism and not prior to that

>Implying that the right-wing "power corrupts" meme is true

>Being this cucked while calling other people who weren't cucked classcucks

Leftcom you are not even trying.


 No.142627

>>142605

That's a fact.

>>142613

I am not ignoring it, Marx was simply wrong in this regard. Shocking, I know.


 No.142635

>>142562

If you looked at the graph carefully you'd realize that the Die Linke voted no to the proposal unanimously except for one abstention.

The SPD has always been shit but if you're going to criticize Die Linke this isn't the argument you want to make.


 No.142638

Vote for "Movimento 5 stelle"


 No.142639

>>142449

If you are from Germany, vote the MLPD!


 No.142641

>>142639

Don't actually do this. They think Cuba is authoritarian state capitalism and are a full-on cult. You literally need a "mentor" if you want to join them and need to complete a set of tasks.

I know they superficially come over as based with their Stalin posters in neighbourhoods, their comfortable financial situation, their "no compromise" type of line, but this isn't actually true. They only punch above their weight in elections because of their money, they aren't even half the size of the DKP.


 No.142642

>>142627

How did Lenin and Stalin became classcucks? Are you trying to argue they became their own class? lol


 No.142684

>>142549

>PARTEI is a joke party

Politics that refuses to discuss socioeconomics is a joke.

Also Martin does indeed have leftist viewpoints. There is a reason why conserfs hate him guts and repeatedly try to discredit him, like the hipster lifestylist magazine bento (whose author turned out to be a member of the CDU ironically) or very recently that queer mag, whose author got triggered over his voting method.

Concerning DiEM. Varoufakis turned a 300 man company into a monopoly and I'd like to think he has a plan that will work out in the long run. The campaign, the German media ran against him was fucking ridiculous. They discredited an entire scientific-mathematical field just to get at him and they took literally everything that made him look bad and presented it on a silver tabled for the majority of uncritically thinking Germans to see. Thus the collective shitting in their pants, when Jan Böhmermann "revealed" it was "fake". Since they took that particular middle finger from his Varoufakis music video and didn't checked for alternative sources. To go THIS far just proves to me, they think this guy is dangerous.

Concerning DKP, I'll consider it. The ones in my neighbouring cities seem based enough, expect for some members I ideologically disagree with, because it's their way or the highway kinda thing.


 No.142685

>>142562

>first pic

Holy SHIT, will you ever get the PvdA flag right?

Ever since the conception YEARS ago I tried to make it clear that it is the flag of the BELGIAN PvdA, who are actually leftist. I am not even sure the Netherlandish PvdA has a flag. But it is certainly not this one.


 No.142687

>>142639

>voting Melpen

Sorry, but you are too cultish for me.


 No.142707

>>142562

>next time you vote

>vote

Bourgeois representative "democracy" doesn't work, it's not just a matter of succdems being soft. We need to fight for a political system that can't be subverted by bribing the leadership (because there isn't one).


 No.142723

>>142684

I actually like Varoufakis, but I just think his plan is too idealist/reformist for it to be able to actually work. He's willing to break bread with neoliberals in order to get his reforms in the pipeline, he has said so on multiple occasions. The reason he was smeared so badly is because he was questioning German imperialism in Greece, questioning the entire legitimacy of the neoliberal system within the EU which was dangerous for the German elites who profited so much from it. Ironically now he's become a target of the Antideutsche because he speaks in favour of Assange who they think is an antisemite, also he appeared on RT which triggers them as well. DIEM has been hit hard with antisemitism smears recently.

I like their democratic bottom-up structure, communists certainly should try to permeate it and push it to the left.

In regards to Die PARTEI, it's just that I've made personally very bad experiences with their members. A bunch of them came to the UZ Pressefest to "troll", and then got subsequently kicked out and removed by the security, which caused them to throw a fit on Twitter about the evil Stalinists.

>Concerning DKP, I'll consider it. The ones in my neighbouring cities seem based enough, expect for some members I ideologically disagree with, because it's their way or the highway kinda thing.

You'll find the DKP currently has a good midway between non-sectarianism and sectarianism, you can have fairly different opinions in the DKP, it's not like the tightly controlled MLPD. The problem of the DKP was that it was too open for "new ideas" in the period 1991-2014, we got all kinds of revisionists and people who wanted to support DieLinke so far that they have told their voters not to vote for the DKP and vote for DieLinke. This was very harmful and didn't help the party at all (which has its problems, especially with the old age of most of its members). In my local chapter, I sometimes feel like an elderly care nurse whenever there is a meeting. We have a guy who literally was in Dachau concentration camp.


 No.142734

>>142723

Nothing is more normal than for revolutionary workers to insult Stalinists, thus gaining the support of nearly all their comrades, since they want to make a revolution. Do they not know, having been taught by their long experience, that the preliminary step is to expel Stalinists from meetings? Not being able to do this is why the revolution failed in 1968 in France and in 1975 in Portugal.


 No.142742

>>142734

>Not being able to do this is why the revolution failed in 1968 in France and in 1975 in Portugal.

Stalin was dead at that point. 1968 wouldn't have been successful either way, and 1975 they got backstabbed by SocDems. But whatever, it's not like you are here to argue in good faith or something


 No.142754

>>142549

>PARTEI is a joke party

Wrong! It's a satirical party and despite Dieter Nuhr's best efforts, satire in Germany was always political as fuck!


 No.142760

>>142754

I haven't seen the political backbone cabaret had in Germany throughout its history within Die PARTEI.


 No.142761

>>142760

Have you listened to one of Sonneborn's speeches?


 No.142813

>>142641

Cuba is not a socialist country anymore. There are privat companies in Cuba. And what do you mean with "full-on cult"?

>They only punch above their weight in elections because of their money, they aren't even half the size of the DKP.

First, you need money for a communist revolution and second, the MLPD has more voters than the DKP.


 No.142824

>>142813

The MLPD denies that Cuba was ever socialist, they claimed that before Cuba legalised small private property.

>what do you mean with "full-on cult"?

The fact that they had the same chairman for 40 years and now have his daughter-in-law taking over, while releasing articles praising him like they do it with Bob Avakian. The fact you need a "mentor" to join, their extremely sectarian attitude, the fact they try to isolate you from your family and friends when you join, etc.

>you need money

I don't deny this. I am saying they are able to mobilise more voters because of their money, not because of their grounding in the working class.


 No.142827

>>142465

you vote the one who is the less piece of shit possible


 No.142828

>>142562

you missed PSOE


 No.142829

>>142605

they did not classcuck because they became the new ruling class


 No.142865

File: 95c118ba517b112⋯.png (311.66 KB, 540x462, 90:77, ClipboardImage.png)


 No.142880

>>142865

>le support the Entente against the Middle Powers guy


 No.142888

"Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy."

"I did," said Ford. "It is."

"So," said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, "why don't people get rid of the lizards?"

"It honestly doesn't occur to them," said Ford. "They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates to the government they want."

"You mean they actually vote for the lizards?"

"Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course."

"But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?"

"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in. Got any gin?"


 No.142924

>>142684

What is Die PARTEI like? Only thing I know about them is that they had a demonstration in solidarity with the Hungarian workers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PqbpQ0Qr_c


 No.143027

>>142924

Random, really depends where you are.

Usually leftish, most people vote them, because they are fans of Martin Sonneborn and (he said so himself in one moment of seriousness) because you ran out of options and there is nothing else for you to vote.

Albeit Anti-Germans and BAK Shalom took notice of it's rising popularity and started to play their tankie games like they do so in the Green and in the Left. I'd avoid them if you are in Koblenz for example.


 No.143041

>>142865

what the hell did good ol kropotkin do god fucking damn it?


 No.143122

>>142500

They are the new left for old people.

>b-but when the results are already +90% gainst the small people then the Linke sometimes joins the "far rightist" voting in favour of the small people


 No.143136

>>143041

read it again


 No.143439

bumping this thread as the day of election is getting closer


 No.143473

>>142462

Good on those communists. Seriously, fuck the EU and all neoliberals. Hell, even Orban is too soft on the Euroskepticism.

It depends on the country really. Some countries, i'd say vote for the far-right party. (They're often economically center-left anyways.) Others, there is a left-wing nationalist/euroskeptic option. Occasionally, you have the based populist party like FSM in Italy to vote for, but the worst cases like Britain really only leave you with a single issue Brexit party or UKIP. (I'd even vote for SarSassenach just to spite the journos and the antifa brainlets who throw milkshakes around.)


 No.143491

>>143473

Orbán is a neoliberal. He's abolishing workers' rights step by step and his foreign minister even proudly admitted that they are making laws on demand to provide cheap labour and endless overtime to his friends in the German automotive industry. His euroscepticism is a farce, he would never leave the EU as his private economic empire is kept alive by the EU money he steals and would suffocate without it.

The same is mostly true for all the other far-right parties that are becoming increasingly popular because of their stances on migration. There's a good reason they can't stop talking about how it is the only issue that matters as on every other issue they side with Capital against labour.

I recommend you do not talk about shit that you are evidently clueless about.


 No.143493

>>143491

>There's a good reason they can't stop talking about how it is the only issue that matters as on every other issue they side with Capital against labour.

Based "supporting open borders to own the fascists" anon


 No.143497

>>143493

> it's okay to give up the class struggle as long as I don't have to see brown people

What are you even doing on a leftist board? Don't you have capitalist dick to suck?


 No.143534

>>143491

I noticed actually that the more far-right you are, the less economically liberal you are.

Basically, more moderate people like Orban, UKIP, PVV, and etc tend to be more liberal economically.

Meanwhile, Le Pen's platform is basically succdem tier, the BNP is effectively Asserist, and Jobbik basically rejects neoliberalism.

Your claim that it's 'mostly true' for 'far-right parties' is retarded. Firstly, you confused the more moderate anti-immigration parties with the actual radical nationalist parties. Secondly, the majority of non-Anglo populist parties are not neoliberal. Italy's populists aren't neoliberals, France's aren't, Czechoslovakia basically had an anti-immigration social democrat before he was overturned in a recent election, and I can keep going on.

Honestly, the Communists should have supported Jobbik, but you're not going to get that in a climate where the anti-capitalist, ultranationalist far-right is completely taboo.


 No.143536

One of the biggest biases the mainstream meteor has is bring extremely pro-EU. I get why capital loves the EU, but why is it that big a priority?


 No.143552

>>143534

Jobbik went through a reformation, they are now a plain conservative people's party and are to the left of Orbán. Why do you keep talking about shit you know nothing of? I get that it sounded good in your head but it has nothing to do with the real world.


 No.143553

>>143536

They like the common market, obviously.


 No.143555

>>143553

Reread the post


 No.143557

File: a5eeac6132d96ca⋯.jpg (59.8 KB, 800x679, 800:679, qmm.jpg)

>>143534

>Czechoslovakia


 No.143582

бумп


 No.143643

Vote for whoever you want the EU parliament is just a very weak attempt by an imperialist power to uphold the spectacle of a democratic decision mechanism basically a rubberstamp bullshit organization. I think the best decision is not be complicit in legitimizing neocolonialism and imperalism so staying away from voting you can spend that 30 minutes better.

All these people who hint that you should vote for Orban etc. should really start getting into materialist analysis before they get the wall.


 No.143790

It's ending today comrads, what are your predictions


 No.143791

Went out and brushed my teeth.

Had to do this, or they will turn brown.

At least we don't have a 5% hurdle and everyone who gets 0,6% can actually get in.

The bourgeois cartel tried repeatedly to jam this leak and even forced the entire EU to adapt a law that only concerned Germany for this, so they can circumvent Germany courts (since you need European courts to debate European laws), but it may bite them in the arse when these are enacted, because the CSU will most likely not make it over their own hurdle.


 No.143792

>>143790

Dunno about all Europe, but at least for Germany I got

<CDU/CSU (EPP)

>conserfs

27% (I hope)

<SPD (S&D)

>blairist socdems

15%

<B90/Greens (Greens/EFA)

>progs

17%

<FDP (ALDE)

>liberals If you are from NA read: lolberts

5%

<The Left (GUE/NGL)

>leftists but since the coop against Wagenknecht basically socdems

7%, but it could've been more. I am very very disappointed in you, you fucking pricks

<AfD (ECR, EFDD, ENF, they splintered pretty hard and are all over the right place, and there a chances it will happen again)

>right-wing populists, national liberals if you are from NA read: lolberts, even downright fascist

12%

<PARTEI (Non-Inscrits)

>satirists, self declared centre extremists, but actually pretty leftish

3%

<Free Voters (ALDE)

>liberal conservatives, conservative liberals and something in between if you are NA, you know…)

2%

<Animal Party (formally GUE/NGL, but Bernhard Eck, their previous guy, left the party and didn't ran for reelection afaik)

>animal rights, as I said, Mr. Eck himself was pretty leftist, doesn't mean the party is, which may even be the reason why he quit it

>as a matter of fact I don't even know which of the 4 animal rights parties will make it into the EU, I just know based on previous elections that people vote them because their name generates a good feeling in their tummy, a literal feel good party

1%

<Piraten (Greens/EFA, but then again, it was Julia Reda's personal choice and she also quit the party and doesn't run for reelection, even made a video where she discouraged voting her party and making severe allegations against #2 on the list Gilles Bordelais and accusing the party of willing inactivity)

>digital rights, but who knows at this point anymore, it's a sinking ship and everyone fled to the Left, the Greens the SPD and the FDP at this point

1%

<Others

10%

>we may get a lot of new faces


 No.143793

>>143792

> 27% (I hope)

Is that a low or high estimation, or what are you hoping for?


 No.143795

>>143792

If you are from NA read: lolberts

WTF did these people come from in krautland, especially something as big as the FDP? Even in burgerlard, they spontaneously coalesced out of sheer concentrated retardation in the late 1970s from the fringes of the survivalist/sovereign citizen/John Bircher/conspiratard movements, with any sort of formal backing like CATO or the ALP following opportunistically. If this is some horrible crossatlantic import, you have my apologies.

>>143793

Low. they polled north of 30% last time.


 No.143798

>>143793

You think I root for conservatives in a left-wing radical board?

There is a natural law in Germany that prevents conservatives to ever go below 30%. Getting as low as 27% is very optimistic, but it may be something between 29-31% actually.

>>143795

They were always here. It's just that liberals in the rest of the world are centrist to right-wing and North America does not have a proper term for it (also due to mislabelling) so I took the closest thing there is to them, although classical liberals are more along the borders of blue and purple.

And fun fact in the rest of the world libertarians are left-wing, though without the centrism that plagues the DNC liberals.

It's as if North Americans got liberals and libertarians mixed up.


 No.143800

>>143798

I thought their bases overlap significantly with AfD so a high result for them could mean lower support for the fascists. I did not mean to offend you.


 No.143801

>>143800

They do, but also with the Greens (high income group and it's hip to be square).

Which basically means cater to one group and you'll lose the other. Merkel is perfect for this job, since she's a blairist but actually doesn't pretend to be socdem at all. The right-wing idiots in her party do not realise what favour she is doing them and thus saw on her powerbase.

CDU also has a large support among businessmen, petit-bourgs, people who think they are wealthy but are actually not, farmers (which are heavily subsided), industrialists (as proven by the latest Diesel scandal you could say, the CDU is their political arm), and last-time voters.

The fact that the last in the list is eroding quite quickly makes them do stupid things like drifting hard to the right. But the CSU got punished for this in Bavaria, losing votes to the AfD (why vote for a cheap knockoff, when you can go for the original racists?), Greens and Free Voters.


 No.143802

>>143798

>They were always here.

I had gotten the general impression, at least before the likes of the FDP, that such tendencies in the EU were just generic porkies desirous of greater overreach for the financial sector, and a handful of deluded proles starstruck by "mainstream economics". As compared with the utopian ("pure" capitalism, zero government. etc.) distilled quintessence of classcuckoldry that is AynCrap, which I assumed came into being with burger lolberts.

>>143800

>a high result for them could mean lower support for the fascists

And more neoliberalism as the supposed End of History™, thus feeding the underlying causes of fascism today. No thanks.


 No.143805

CDU had people like Gauland and Steinbach who are no in the AfD.

Former Prime Minister of Hessen Koch was never afraid to use right-wing bullshit in his campaigns and his successor Bouffier covers two Nazis suspected in murder, because they are affiliate with the constitutional protection of Hessen.

Maaßen was the last case, Seehofer tried his best to cover him, even promoted him, but that unthankful bastard continued to spout right-wing bullshit, even called the socdems SPD a "left-wing extremist party" The fucking audacity.


 No.143806


 No.143808

>>143805

>big mainstream center-right party is infested with extreme rightists bleeding in from fringe parties

Well, yeah, not disputing that. Same with the UK Tories vs. NF/BNP/UKIP.


 No.143814

>>143802

Yeah, the burger strain of "no gubberment don't tread on me" tier Libertarianism/AynCrap was never really popular in Germany and only came into being through the US spilling their shit over the Atlantic, now you have plenty of younger guys in the FDP and the AfD which will be the future elite of these parties that are basically burger lolberts.

A lot of the arguments I hear since a few years ("muh voluntary consent", "taxes are theft", "gommunism has killed 100 gazillions", etc.) are entirely new in the German political hemisphere, and it's quite clear to me that they all come from the US. Because they are new, the old ossified mainstream parties have a hard time responding to them, because they are not used to this type of ideological grounding.


 No.143824

File: 6f9428918050bc0⋯.png (646.66 KB, 2000x1272, 250:159, cycle of angry liberals.png)

>>143792

And the first results are in:

<CDU/CSU (EPP)

>ARD

CDU: 22%

CSU: 6%

>ZDF

together: 27,5%

CSU got sleight gains, what the fuck is wrong with you, Bavaria?

<SPD (S&D)

ARD&ZDF: 15,5%

Huge losses

<B90/Greens (Greens/EFA)

ARD: 22%

ZDF: 20,5%

On the other side huge gains, basically libruls went from one centre party to the next and next election will most likely go back. See pic related. The eternal circle that will never ever be broken.

<The Left (GUE/NGL)

ARD & ZDF: 5,5%

Slight losses, will lose one seat. I like how insincere "how could this happen" face of the leadership is.

<AfD (rightwingers)

ARD & ZDF: 10,5%

tbh, could've been worse. Definitely underperformed here, many suspected 12% which was considered underperformance as well.

<FDP (ALDE)

ARD & ZDF: 5,5%

gains, but they have seen better days

>Free Voters (ALDE)

ARD: 2,1%

ZDF: 2%

gains


 No.143825

>>143824

(cont.)

>Pirates

ARD: 0,7

halved, maybe for the better

>Animal Protection Party

ARD: 1,4

slight gains, who the fuck are those people?

>NPD (unapologetic fascists and nazis)

ARD: 0,2%

lost their seat, good riddance

>Family party (ECR)

ARD: 1%

slight gains, regain their one seat, because the previous one defected

>ÖDP (Green/EFA)

ARD: 1%

slight gains, Greens, but conservative. I mean even more so, since the main Greens shifted to the right considerable already.

>Die PARTEI

ARD: 2,6%

ZDF: 2,5%

TRIPPLED their seats, they aimed for double at best.

>VOLT

ARD: 0,8%

Yepp, the Reddit party made it

>Everyone else

ZDF: 10,5% (they haven't specified the small fries yet)


 No.143832

Why did people vote for Macron's party, I thought he was universally despised?


 No.143833

>>143825

Is Die PARTEI good news for us?


 No.143834

File: a81f3cd2e790f44⋯.jpeg (258.56 KB, 636x709, 636:709, EU group of politicians.jpeg)

Didn't vote because I don't recognize the legitimacy of any government body.


 No.143835

>>143833

They are satirists who lean left.

Not sure if good, but they are definitely not bad news either compared to the other clowns.


 No.143850

File: 75e27c60e9b7be7⋯.jpg (238.71 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, mpv-shot0076.jpg)

Results from Hungary.


 No.143872

How did ADLE grow so much, I was told neoliberalism is already dying?


 No.143873

File: 72434d2e486fa97⋯.png (297.28 KB, 2666x2729, 2666:2729, bbc.png)


 No.143952

>>143834

Dude I voted for Brexit but your argument could apply to every state ever. It's besides the point and it's silly semantics when you post redundant stuff like that.


 No.143957

>>143872

Mostly due to Macron


 No.143968

>>143957

I thought Macron was universally hated.


 No.143980

>>143872

Not at all, neolibs are presenting themselves here in the US as the "sane way forward." I'd imagine the same is happening in Europe.

>>143957

>>143968

My understanding that the old PS collapsed and the majority – including the bulk of the PS institutions, puppet unions, and think tanks – who didn't follow Mélenchon or Hamon's splinters folded into Macron's party


 No.143981

>>143814

Lemme guess, there's also been a seemingly random explosion of Evangelical Christians in Europe as well? The US is actively doing this shit in Latin America and East Asia; the two are directly tied to one another.




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