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File: 0fa2dbd385bd879⋯.jpg (174.71 KB, 514x536, 257:268, 0fa2dbd385bd879d56d300f4f8….jpg)

 No.141053

How come every single thread now has dozens of deleted posts?

The reason I left /leftypol/ was because of excessive moderation.

Is the same dynamic being repeated here? Is it humanly impossible to have a left-wing discussion board that doesn't eventually turn into authoritarian censorship?

What's the point of reading replies to posts you can't read? "Ah but they're fascists, they're trolls, they're wrong…". HOLY FUCKING SHIT, are the mods protecting us from bad ideas or something?

What's happening?!

 No.141056

Try spamming less.


 No.141076

Stop spamming REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. Your posts should be deleted.


 No.141095

t*nkies have taken over


 No.141098

>>141095

>>Trots have taken over

FTFY.


 No.141108

I really wish mods wouldn't delete post history when banning someone. They do that on Mark/v/ all the time and it's the fucking worst for following a discussion. Only reason they should ever be doing that is actual spam.


 No.141109

>>141108

It was because of the "Hapas are superior" spam. It was done through Tor so all the other posts by Tor users were also deleted.


 No.141110

>>141098

>implying there's any substantial difference between the icepickers and the icepickeds


 No.141112

>>141110

This. The minute flavour differences between the different brands of red fash trash are irrelevant, even though they fight one another over them passionately - as all religions do.


 No.141114

>>141109

wait but arent Hapas actually superior?


 No.141115

File: 90e23e80f44e6c4⋯.png (368.39 KB, 800x800, 1:1, porky pimp.png)

>>141076

>>141056

I wasn't being able to post for some reason. It said "Flood detected. Post discarded" or something. That's why I tried several times.


 No.141149

Because nazi faggots keep spamming

"fuck niggers"

"niggers are subhuman"

"J00S"

Or some variation thereof as responses to other posts. They dont add anything to the conversation, they just shout about how this or that group or how lefties are subhuman.

They are all people who post here without any other postinghistory before that and all they do is spam the same nazi shit a few hours.

People on here rightfully report them and I clean it up.


 No.141157

The threads are shit and should not exist at all, therefore they are deleted

t. not a mod


 No.141171

>>141149

Agreed with >>141108 that deleting posts (especially longer ones) which garnered chains of legit conversation in reply is annoying and disruptive, restrict deletions to spam and unremarkable low-effort flotsam. Just tossing out bans and maybe sassy edits is fine tho.


 No.141173

Go away Jim.


 No.141185

>>141110

>>141112

>"red fash"

>"religion"

>When you armchair so hard and accuse others of sectarianism while the irony is lost on yourself

>Getting his mad over a shitpost

These fuckin' leftcoms, man.


 No.141197

>>141185

Probably anarkiddies, leftcoms don't really use the red fascist moniker, they will just say the USSR wasn't really socialist


 No.141198

>>141053

>Is it humanly impossible to have a left-wing discussion board that doesn't eventually turn into authoritarian censorship?

Kind of like how it's impossible to have a left-wing anything without authoritarian censorship.


 No.141199

>>141197

>they will just say the USSR wasn't really socialist

And if you press them to describe what the USSR was instead of what it was not, they'll say it was authoritarian capitalism AKA fascism, drenched in a coat of socialist regalia and rhetoric, hence red fascism.

See also north korea for another example.


 No.141206

>>141149

t. moderator

You have become what /leftypol/ was. You’re ruining this board by being so censorious and overmoderating. This isn’t reddit faggot


 No.141216

>>141206

He knows he's a mod, it says so in his trip


 No.141217

>>141206

The disconnect here seems to be that you are under the impression that political discussion looks like what /pol/ does. Bitching about niggers, jews, and cucks spoiling your chances of ever finding a white boyfriend-free girl isnot actually politics.


 No.141218

File: 82bb80ebfefd2d2⋯.jpg (100.3 KB, 1692x1252, 423:313, 82b.jpg)

>>141149

Critical support for mods in their struggle against nazbol imperialism.


 No.141219

>>141149

Shitposting is a spook. It's an abstract concept, another man's trash…


 No.141220

>>141218

The new blade runner sucked ass


 No.141231

>>141199

>See also north korea for another example

That's not red fash, it's red feudalism.


 No.141235

>>141149

thank you moder


 No.141241

>>141149

Keep up the good work, it's a leftist discussion board, not a glory hole in the back of some dark seedy bar to dawb and smear ones inane ramblings and abuse on.


 No.141250

>>141149

Are critiques of Islamization allowed? Is /leftpol/ also cucked into the liberal existentialist view that Islam is inherently "progressive?" I ask because apparently /leftypol/ bans for calling reactionary petromonarchy cults as such.


 No.141252

>>141235

>>141241

t. sockpuppet


 No.141265

>>141231

>all monarchy is feudal

If anything it's some sort of absolutist fascism with chinese characteristics.

I'd rather describe them simply as "shithole".


 No.141305

File: 43bbe3254d8406a⋯.png (339.87 KB, 569x760, 569:760, 1446241600888-2.png)

>>141265

I'd say it's more like that neo-monarchist route you can take in the HoI4 dlc, but with a thin veneer of socialist aesthetics


 No.141337

File: f6a7a3b65400035⋯.png (2.4 MB, 1080x1971, 40:73, not a monarchy.png)

File: 67a1fe226e1df3b⋯.png (176.7 KB, 799x837, 799:837, heads of state dprk.png)

File: 118da97a492bffc⋯.jpg (742.69 KB, 1080x846, 60:47, korea workplace organizati….jpg)

File: 754713e9a87ac67⋯.png (1.79 MB, 1080x1485, 8:11, hdi 1995.png)

File: af7e91a6374e1dd⋯.png (703.36 KB, 1080x1859, 1080:1859, envy of the developing wor….png)

>>141231

define feudalism

>>141265

>>141305

The one accused of being a "monarch" isn't even the fucking head of state, which is by definition the position of a monarch. His father and grandfather also held different positions than him which were not "inherited".

And there are other republics where a son or brother took over the same position as the previous leader yet nobody calls them monarchies.

This "shithole" has a much higher standard of living than any capitalist shithole would when faced with the same conditions.

Unlike several other ML states they actually did away with one man management of the workplace and implemented a new democratic system called the Taean Work System.


 No.141342

>>141337

>define feudalism

The mode of production in which an aristocracy is the ruling class. Inb4 the Kim dynasty is not aristocrats.


 No.141344

File: fcf50ab38cec310⋯.webm (1.63 MB, 640x360, 16:9, defector on dprk dictator….webm)

>>141342

Being elected or appointed to government positions by the Supreme People's Assembly and the party central committee hardly makes you an aristocrat.

Never mind that 70 percent of the population are workers in the cities rather than small scale farmers, and that the landlords were either killed, expelled, or expropriated the 40s and 50s.


 No.141359

>>141344

>Being elected or appointed to government positions by the Supreme People's Assembly and the party central committee hardly makes you an aristocrat.

Being a dynastic ruler who lives parasitically off the labor of others by virtue of having an army of thugs certainly does.


 No.141366

File: 6a4083637e4a411⋯.jpg (1.05 MB, 1080x1227, 360:409, dprk dynasty.JPG)

File: 094e0574bf9e8f6⋯.jpeg (1.2 MB, 1280x1800, 32:45, jo kil nyo.jpeg)

>>141359

Political families exist everywhere, even in USSR, Maoist China, Hoxha Albania, and present day Cuba. That doesn't make them aristocratic dynasties. Do you also consider Raul Castro who is still party leader to be an aristocrat? Unlike Kim, he actually holds the same position as his predecessor.

Half of the work done by this "army of thugs" is farming and construction, and there are days in every month when government and party officials are forced to work in fields and factories.


 No.141375

>>141241

Yeah but if you can't have open discussion with the enemy, then it's a circle jerk


 No.141382

>>141366

If the Kims are not aristocrats, then what exactly is their relationship to the means of production?

>political families

That get "elected" for life? That collect more titles than a Roman Emperor? That purge other potential claimants to the throne?

>and there are days in every month when government and party officials are forced to work in fields and factories

Forced by who? Oh right…


 No.141384

>>141375

To the extent that they bring discussion they get engaged. To the extent that they bring mindless shitposting about jews, cuck, and niggers–which is the far greater of the two–they get banned.


 No.141395

>>141337

>get called red fascist

>spam pix

heh

>>141344

is this a new version of the Downfall meme?


 No.141410

File: fd731e72fe1dcee⋯.png (215.57 KB, 500x681, 500:681, azqteoapbeh21.png)

>>141384

You should grow some balls and get over yourself, then


 No.141412

>>141410

>responds to accusations of mindless shitposting with mindless shitposting

What's it like only having one move?


 No.141457

>>141384

>muh shitposters

Go to /trannypol/ if you want rulecuckery, Jewboy


 No.141487

File: c9733e41371b02c⋯.pdf (10.34 MB, Socialist Korea Monthly Re….pdf)

File: ee82653e8a43c45⋯.png (79.17 KB, 937x394, 937:394, DzXqrOwVsAA409 .png)

File: fc387f789cee607⋯.png (168.26 KB, 1080x320, 27:8, kim jong un 7th congress.png)

File: 935650d33869db7⋯.jpg (442.48 KB, 1080x1821, 360:607, into the trash they go.jpg)

File: a806998b5b543c4⋯.jpg (54.95 KB, 577x485, 577:485, 28276368 198391684250093 1….jpg)

>>141382

He is the leader of the workers party and is considered a representative of the people. This includes writing political and ideological work, which suggests progressive measures and and policies which could be undertaken. And giving field guidance at workplaces and farms, which is also done by other party officials. Basically as described in the first image here: >>141366

Either way, claiming that a modern industrialized country magically has a feudal mode of production because of one guy is simply retarded.

>elected for life

There are no term limits and re-elections occur with every SPA session. Not surprising considering that even polls of defectors show that he is popular with majority of the population. There are plenty of communist leaders in other countries who were also "elected for life" as a result of this.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2013-08-30/kim-jong-un-approval-rating-over-50-percent-poll-defectors-finds

>That collect more titles than a Roman Emperor?

<Chairman of State Affairs Commission

<Chairman of WPK

<Supreme Commander of KPA

Doesn't seem like that many to me.

>Purges

Jang Song Thaek was widely recognized as a supporter of Chinese style "reforms" and was plotting a pro-Chinese coup while building up a faction within the party. This is no different from the purges of the pro-Khrushchev faction and Yan'an faction in the party which teamed up for a coup attempt in 1956.

Kim Jong Nam worked with the CIA and was likely killed when he outlived his usefulness, whereas his other brother Kim Jong Chul leads a quiet life as a guitarist in Pyongyang. Sometimes false reports of purges also come out. DPRK was falsely accused of killing Kim Kyong Hui, the sister of Kim Jong Il and wife of Jang Song Thaek, when in reality she was just undergoing medical treatment and is alive today.

>Forced by who? Oh right…

Are these people not considered by some to be a "parasitic party elite"? Surely the presence of such a rule would act against these officials becoming alienated from the population.

>>141395

>spam pix

The pix have sourced arguments.

>muh fake subtitles

Ask anyone who speaks Korean and you will be told it is legit. This is from the documentary Loyal Citizens of Pyongyang in Seoul (서울의 평양 시민들). The guy is a defector living in ROK who wants to go back, and was also arrested and placed under constant surveillance for praising Kim Il Sung while saying that everything the north said about the south is actually true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktE_3PrJZO0


 No.141495

>>141487

>Ask anyone who speaks Korean and you will be told it is legit. This is from the documentary Loyal Citizens of Pyongyang in Seoul (서울의 평양 시민들).

<why don't you guys think north korea is paradise on earth, it says so in their propaganda videos!

lmao


 No.141497

File: 8b468c4cef8d94b⋯.webm (12.81 MB, 854x480, 427:240, defector says shes trappe….webm)

>>141495

>Their propaganda videos

It wasn't made by the government. It was made by a Korean American who went to Seoul and interviewed a lawyer who specializes in defector cases and also defectors who want to go back.

Next you're going to call this report from fucking CNN tankie propaganda.


 No.141507

File: 5433f90e2b07965⋯.jpg (44.59 KB, 634x415, 634:415, eff4cac132d9d949475d667250….jpg)

heh, funny how meta discussion is derailed by autistic tankie screeching that the Kim Long Eel did nothing wrong


 No.141511

File: 4b40c54f7981420⋯.png (688.5 KB, 890x656, 445:328, this is one of those times.png)

>>141507

>implying it wasn't already derailed by screeching about muh "red fascism" and "red feudalism"


 No.141512

File: cb1599850da71b4⋯.png (22.33 KB, 314x271, 314:271, hapa spam.png)

>>141507

>>141511

Anyway, the deleted posts are just the result of a spammer using TOR to bump every thread, and other TOR posters getting caught in the crossfire.


 No.141520

File: 8f4d8be64e51c6a⋯.png (451.29 KB, 1280x1095, 256:219, 491ca85e6e35b4a2e61ed630cc….png)

>>141511

Y'know, on further examination I'd say this thread was DOA. It looks like tankies took a shitpost seriously and it spiralled out of control from there. You/some other juche was the first to imagespam like a /pol/goblin tho.

>>141512

This I'm okay with, since it can't be helped.


 No.141571

>>141511

red feudalism sounds rad.


 No.141572

>>141520

the Khmer Rouge actually wasn't bad.


 No.141639

File: a6721f3d6627c4f⋯.png (397.55 KB, 533x534, 533:534, cat 9.png)

>>141109

>It was because of the "Hapas are superior" spam.

Nah man. The posts I'm talking about are clearly not spam. They are people who posted opinions that the majority of repliers disagreed with. And I'd like to read what was said but can't because moderators thought it wise to delete unpopular opinions.

I don't get. I just… I just can't. It's like people go out of their way to confirm the worst stereotypes about leftists being snowflakes who can't deal with dissent and disagreement.


 No.141640

>>141149

The deleted posts I'm talking about are CLEARLY not spam. Worse, you know this but are pretending not to. People were addressing the deleted posts by quoting different points with greentext and so on. It's posts that a lot of people disagreed with that got culled. That "we just delete spam" bullshit may works with others who pay less attention or don't care about freeeze peach (and they call it), but I care… and I notice what you're doing. And no, I realize not only you don't give a fuck, you laugh at people who genuinely care about values and are not consequentialists.


 No.141642

File: 0e1761a5989c96a⋯.png (785.09 KB, 510x860, 51:86, britney.png)

Look at this post, for instance: https://8ch.net/leftpol/res/140307.html

It's bumplocked for no obvious reason and count the number of deleted posts in there. It's too fucking much. Over 20 deleted posts in a thread with barely 50 posts.

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!

And the problem is not just the moderators, it's that users are reporting these posts asking mods to delete them.

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!


 No.141644

File: 3d2af0adbaeb221⋯.png (49.22 KB, 1127x751, 1127:751, leftpol censorship.png)

It's brutal censorship. Not even the fascists at /pol/ do this.

NOT EVEN THE FASCISTS AT /POL/ DELETE THIS MANY POSTS!


 No.141646

File: 06ba8e4b0c48e89⋯.jpg (43.81 KB, 300x400, 3:4, 06b.jpg)

>>141639

>TOR was blocked because of the spam all of this >>141644 >>141642 >>141640 shit was deleted for just being retarded screeching about jews, niggers, and cucks. That trash is useless and serves only to drown out actual discussion.


 No.141660

>>141639

All posts made through Tor are from the same IP. The spam was coming through Tor, and when the mod clicked "delete all posts from this IP" to clean up the spam, every other post made from Tor was also deleted, even those that were not spam.


 No.141661

File: 7d8d9b1762a9d34⋯.jpg (14.92 KB, 480x501, 160:167, 58441547_182202716097906_3….jpg)

>>141412

It's always a winning one. Stay mad.


 No.141665

File: b855991bddd9972⋯.mp4 (2.98 MB, 640x360, 16:9, Winning.mp4)

>>141661

We have seen what your idea of winning looks like.


 No.141667

>>141497

Imagine basing your world view on anecdotes, obsolete tankie


 No.141671

>>141667

>anecdotes

<ignores statistical data, pdf giving detailed analysis of socialism in DPRK, along with other sources posted in the thread

Tell that to the people who fall for the tales of rich celebrity defectors who constantly change their stories while being paid by ROK government and are funded by right wing think tanks.


 No.141672

Is this some kind of troll thread? Clutching pearls about a handful of one-line shitposts getting pruned while on the other board, posting anything critical of the Daddy Dictators gets you NKVD'd and your entire post history deleted?


 No.141679

>>141672

Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty; power is ever stealing from the many to the few.


 No.141687

>>141672

In the anti moderator view it doesn't really make a difference what you're banned for per say, the point is to oppose bans in general.


 No.141718

File: c9acf3dfba8bb1b⋯.jpg (102.95 KB, 1500x557, 1500:557, PaineReason.jpg)

>>141703

>common criticism

That shit is not criticism, just noise. At the heart of the problem is the plain fact that /pol/tards cannot tell the difference between reason and memes.

>Obviously threads that are just racial slurs can be defeated with self moderation by showing there is no argument, or by debunking racial realism

You can't reason someone out of a position that they did not arrive at by way of reason. Race "realism" has been utterly BTFO at every level numerous times here alone, yet the same retards keep throwing it out there daily. Unfortunately, debunking that shit every time takes a whole lot more time and effort than shitposting it does. That means that the same shit will constantly bury actual discussion regardless of often it gets shot to pieces.


 No.141719

>>141703

Chains of retards giving each other low effort (You)s a la >>141644 is not "refuting and answering criticism."


 No.141725

>>141721

>having a saved image for a radlib boogeyman

yikes to be honest family

"MRAs" point out a lot of actual problems that intersect with class. Dismissing them as trolls is ignoring an opportunity to class pill some niggas.

>bingo card shitposting in general

This is maybe the worst way to "debunk" someone. "Your ideology has consistent and predictable points that it makes in arguments" is in no way a rebuttal. Neither is nitpicking, which is what most of the squares on these bingo card memes amount to. Doing this makes you look petty/dumb and your target look comparatively more legitimate. Any time you respond to a written-out argument with meme responses, it's not a good look to the casual observer.


 No.141727

File: 077813f8973a88a⋯.jpeg (147.23 KB, 1024x990, 512:495, cum.jpeg)

ALL POLITICAL FORUMS AND PLACES OF DISCUSSION THAT BAN ANYONE EVENTUALLY BECOME ECHO-CHAMBERS THIS IS WHY BANNING FASHIES AND OTHER FAGGOTS IS A BAD IDEA YOU STUPID FUCKING NIGGERS


 No.141734

>>141727

t. fashy nigger


 No.141738

>ITT: mod cocksuckers wanting another echo chamber

You already turned /leftypol/ into your hugbox, go back there.


 No.141740

>>141732

>a meme reply is concise. It doesn't look bad if it answers the argument

That's fair enough, but meme replies don't do that most of the time. Take your pic. It's fine to post as a meme amongst ourselves, but to someone who doesn't know the context and argument behind it, it's just obtuse. There's no point in even replying to right wingers or liberals if your point only makes sense to people who already agree with you.

>For example would be how whenever anyone wants to talk about communism or socialism, it's obvious (and common) that they don't have a good grasp of said social economic systems, but you don't spoon feed them quotes of entry level theory to show them that they don't know what socialism is.

That is exactly what you should do. That's what you said you should do in the quote above. If you're going to reply at all it should at least point people in the right direction. You don't need to reply to everything, and how much effort you put into replying should relate to how effective it is. Putting 10 seconds of effort into something that's not effective is wasting the effort, while putting several minutes into something partially effective isn't completely wasted.


 No.141760

>>141671

<PDF number ching chong hyperbole Dennis Rodman squared prove point

How do you quantify individuality per capita, I don't care if the disciplined one's get enough grapes to get through the month


 No.141774

>>141727

this tbh


 No.141779

File: 2b04da7b51c267c⋯.png (195.75 KB, 600x665, 120:133, censorship apologist bingo.png)

>>141721

Agreed with your basic argument, but

>dat example

Absolutely disgusting, every single statement in your pic is wholly valid, have a better one.

And keep in mind that the purpose of bingo images isn't quite to "debunk" past statements (it's merely a repetition of them, after all), but to head off a predictable chain of future rote arguments, ensuring that discussion stays on track or trolls drop their precanned ammo and flee the field.

>>141727

This. Seen it a thousand times.


 No.141780

>>141727

That resolves into:

>ALL POLITICAL FORUMS AND PLACES OF DISCUSSION EVENTUALLY BECOME ECHO-CHAMBERS

because ever political forum bans people.


 No.141782

File: 2a8c7bd9c1eb460⋯.png (5.43 KB, 388x414, 194:207, Bingo.png)

>>141779

The purpose of bingo is to make shitty low-effort memes that strawman valid arguments.


 No.141784

>>141782

not always tho


 No.141800

File: 68ef6cf46d0be16⋯.png (31.05 KB, 500x367, 500:367, educate yourself.png)

>>141744

>I don't know very much about socialism and communism, and the term "socialism is when government does stuff" is very Relatable to me about my limited understanding of said systems.

Lots of people legitimately think that socialism is when the government does stuff. Mockingly repeating what someone says doesn't say anything about why it's wrong, just that you think it's wrong.

> That's why people are suppose to lurk the boards before posting.

If nobody ever explains what socialism is instead of just mocking what it isn't, how is a lurker going to get that information?

>I see your point, but Isn't it up to them to learn

PIC RELATED


 No.141801

File: d84e1036c3e594b⋯.gif (2.92 MB, 291x300, 97:100, C047ypP.gif)

>>141786

>my opponent made a shitty argument

>that gives me license to also make a shitty argument

How does anybody think this is a good idea? If a position has a foundational flaw the point it out and undermine the position. If you just mock it instead of making an actual point it's like seeing an easy-to-win battle and just not bothering to show up for it. Arguments won't win themselves. The onlookers or even the person you're arguing with can't be swayed by arguments they never see. Just because the counterpoint is obvious to you doesn't mean they will figure it out for themselves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_knowledge


 No.141807

File: e16dc0916a783ea⋯.jpg (39.38 KB, 647x740, 647:740, eee.jpg)

>>141665

I'm not a Trump supporter. Nice try. Niiiice meme.


 No.141860

>>141801

>How does anybody think this is a good idea?

Have you been here more than a day? Those arguments aren't worth any effort because they're going to be dismissed with some hand waving and doubling down. Just look at how challenges to race realism,.inceldom, or vulgar anti-imperialism have been responded to over the 5 years left 8chan has been a thing.


 No.141914

>>141807

>I'm not a Trump supporter anymore.

ftfy It's okay, we know what you meant.


 No.141920

>>141854

>if you talked to a feminist about masculinity, and some one on the right wing you'd get obviously difference answers.

The funny thing about that is that you get pretty much the exact same answer beyond the fact that one will couch it as a good thing and the other will couch it as a bad thing.


 No.141930

>>141928

>getting drunk and beating up your wife is seen as masculine to certain people, but it's not a good definition of masculine.

Nah, that means there's no definition.


 No.141933

The human being is something only as my quality (property) like masculinity or femininity. The ancients found the ideal in one’s being male in the full sense; their virtue is virtus and aretē, i.e., manliness. What is one supposed to think of a woman who only wanted to be a complete “woman?” That is not given to all of them, and some would set themselves an unattainable goal in this. She is, however, female in any case, by nature; femininity is her quality, and she doesn’t need “true femininity.” I am human, just like the earth is a planet. As ridiculous as it would be to set the earth the task of being a “correct star,” it is just as ridiculous to burden me with the calling to be a “correct human being.”


 No.141934

>>141932

No.


 No.141935

>>141933

women are clearly still women regardless if they've failed their master status or not, not including biological anomalies.

>>141934

I don't see your point, Ignoring the original definition doesn't make it go away.


 No.141936

File: 6378ee240ebdf64⋯.jpg (27.14 KB, 480x477, 160:159, 59729543_10157278843888343….jpg)

>>141914

No you didn't. Only I know what I mean. My true intentions remain hidden


 No.142012

>>141936

Damn did he really say that?


 No.142018

File: df14a83443ecafc⋯.jpg (110.8 KB, 667x499, 667:499, factoid.jpg)


 No.142059

>>141854

>You can often get ideologically filtered information. For example if you talked to a feminist about masculinity, and some one on the right wing you'd get obviously difference answers. In learning both answers your understand both sides better.

You missed the point of the pic entirely. The right wing is like clockwork with giving their explanation. If we don't give ours (demanding that the audience instead does that work for us, unlike the much more accommodating right wingers) we are just plain ceding ideological territory. Your views on self-education are not necessarily shared by someone you talk to about politics (probably not) and it's ridiculous to expect them to go out of their way to give equal time to an ideology whose proponents won't even devote the time to advocate it properly.

>>141860

This isn't how discourse works. You're not trying to win over the person you're arguing with. You're trying to win over the lurkers reading the thread. The way to do that is by making better arguments. It's a bit like a formal or public debate in that sense. Zizek and Peterson didn't intend to win the other over to their side. They intended to sway the audience. Even if you manage to convince a person you argue with directly, they are vanishingly likely to concede or publicly admit it because of how we're socialized about saving face.


 No.142073

>>142059

> The right wing is like clockwork with giving their explanation. If we don't give ours (demanding that the audience instead does that work for us, unlike the much more accommodating right wingers) we are just plain ceding ideological territory. Your views on self-education are not necessarily shared by someone you talk to about politics (probably not) and it's ridiculous to expect them to go out of their way to give equal time to an ideology whose proponents won't even devote the time to advocate it properly.

THIS. Molst proles don't have time to do research for others and to them an almost everybody else it makes the wanker saying "read a book" come off as a lazy champagne socialist who doesn't want to . Also the "it's not my job to educate you" is vintage tumblr rhetoric from right around the year it started getting cointel'd.

>You're not trying to win over the person you're arguing with. You're trying to win over the lurkers reading the thread.

this also


 No.142948

write a book, ese. Express your ideas outside of spooky, regulated internet.


 No.143327

>>141672

>their censorship is worse than ours

No one is talking about them. We're talking about us. You lose the moral ground to criticize them when you don't clean your own house.


 No.143329

File: 3a20e6e3b276362⋯.jpg (73.57 KB, 750x907, 750:907, DwF49rjW0AA7Q5R.jpg large.jpg)

>>141936

No. It's a fake quote. Even Snopes couldn't find a way to say he said it.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/1998-trump-people-quote/


 No.143332

>>143329

But Snopes is biased so they don't count


 No.143340

>>141053

I think the central problem is that most 'leftists' are complete idealists in the sense that they're more concerned with 'leftism' winning than in workers seizing the means of production or even at least having more economic clout in society. That and the SJW minority always takes over based on fear of the 'racist'. (That or turbo-autistic tankies/MLs/Mautists/Hoxhaists. But, the latter usually just have their own dens like /marx/.)

There's also the fact that refugees from more censorous boards bring in their pro-censorship views ironically. r/socialism spews out refugees to leftypol, who in turn complain about the presence of 'nazbols/raysits/brocialists/whatever'. They eventually take over the board. The most SJW-leaning of them then proceed to purge the board of more and more dissidents. Eventually, things get so bad that more 'moderate' SJWs flee to places like /leftpol/. This cycle can repeat itself ad infinitum as long as we give mods the power to ban people over dissenting opinions.

Basically, autistic partisans are really good at destroying anything that is good. Hell, this can explain 90% of the autism of the 20th century. Idealism is also a huge problem. When everything is a battle between ideologies instead of interest groups, censorship is inevitable. After all, if your goal is to kill an idea (communism, fascism, etc.), then why not use all means to destroy said idea?

I'm seeing this same trend of both sides of the aisle. Ideology being transformed into an immutable human characteristic. All history before ideology has to change to fit ideology. Ideology is now becoming a inheritable biological trait. This is all despite American liberalism/conservatism (the basis of what most of the world thinks is left or right in the modern era) only really existing in their modern forms since the 60s. The fact that someone like say, James Larkin, campaigned against Chinese immigration using stereotypical costumes that SJWs would reee about or that Andrew Jackson was a favorite of European socialists of the time is something to be memory-holed. Context and nuance as to differing political climates, demographics, and economic conditions is to be thrown aside to fit with a universal narrative that fits the agenda of said ideology-addicted partisan.

This isn't le 'muh rational centrism', because centrists are just much of a cancer. See SarSassenach of Cuckad. This is literally an issue with the very concept of a political spectrum.


 No.143342

>>141672

>Clutching pearls about a handful of one-line shitposts getting pruned

It's call the Chilling Effect. Do this shit enough times and people will be afraid to speak their minds.


 No.143600

bump


 No.144163

File: 43f939de8324c7f⋯.jpg (9.34 KB, 143x255, 143:255, 50c01ac1881822a67f7a6fdc07….jpg)

4.25AM in the morning: woken from following erotic dream by neighbour in next flat using communal shower (next to my room.) :Dreamt I was (back) working at a despatch firm whose hot receptionist I was hoping to become booking agent for, getting her published in soft core porn magazines.

I was hatching a plan to do this while having a shave, thinking the fairest way to do it would be to give her the whole magazine fee, not keep anything for myself. But then all of a sudden, I was following her on the A406 (North zcircular, Londons inner orbital Road). She was in a vehicle of my boss! Jealous pangs! How to lure her away!?

Then after following her in the car I'm suddenly perving at her arse in leather pants in what might be a strip club.

Then my neighbour wakes me with the noise of the shower pump ( does Adolf Stalin have similar problems with his roommate I wonder.)

4.30AM:Note down the dream, its discontinuities and illogical aspects. So next time I'm dreaming I can become aware its a dream, become lucid, and take the dream in a direction I want it to go.

4.35AM:Remenber the previous dream to the one above:I am working for Uber. They are running a competition for drivers, to design a vehicle with no driver and running on perpetual motion, no fuel costs. I have one! It's like a giant balsa wood glider. (The sign that it's a dream is there's no obv means of propulsion _also I can't figure out, unlike now in my waking state- why uber would want such a vehicle when they have valued driver partners.)

4.40AM think: I need a reality check now, I need something that doesn't turn out weird, surreal or illogical, I'll get on /leftpol/.

05.04: try to post, thread has been removed, thread about milking (breasts) was a bait and switch leading to a site about cows (agricultural)


 No.144244

>>142948

I myself plan to write a couple of books myself.


 No.144245

>>144244

No one wants to read your Gemara, rabbi


 No.144614

>>143332

Imagine being this retard….


 No.144710

>>141053

I came to see what lefty is about, and this is one of the first posts I see

>>141149

Are you cancer or sagitarius?


 No.144919

File: aff8153fc0dba26⋯.png (644.4 KB, 571x916, 571:916, aff8153fc0dba2604832b794f1….png)

>>144163

>that pic

Gross.


 No.144921

File: 0da7be7c584f6df⋯.jpg (111.19 KB, 584x622, 292:311, Sundowner.jpg)

>>141149

See, this is why I don't even bother with /leftypol/.

Just to be clear, I am not a leftist, but I went to /leftypol/ to ask what the users there thought of their ideology, true communism, how to achieve, and what ethics and values they have beyond just ideology.

And fuckers like you deleted my thread and permanently banned me! This is why leftism will ultimately fail, you guys are so weak that merely ideas that go against your ideology have to be censored.


 No.144923

File: a935cf79978141b⋯.png (1.29 MB, 2472x2220, 206:185, Aryanne with pol tan chaik….png)

>>144921

Agreed brother.

This weaklings cannot walk with us in the battlefield. The funny thing is that they see themselves as warriors when they attack Trumpcucks.

Go figures the parallel universe where they live.


 No.144937

File: 2794a21930a7385⋯.jpg (40.52 KB, 460x345, 4:3, read a book sometime.jpg)

144923 (No You for you.)

>>144921

/leftpol/ is not a debate board, you're not entitled to having your questions answered by spamming every controversial thread you see with a "Dude argue with me" mentality talking to you /mlpol/ fag, which by the way seeing as how no one even replied to you but yet but me what the fuck are you complaining about all your posts are still up, why are you even more asshurt than 21 lmao if you want to then make a self containment thread which in no way infringes on your free speech """rights""" rights are a farce given by Jews to lead you on by the way. and stop posting in every thread while openly polluting discussion as if you were on /pol/, /pol/ exists for the very reason of circlejerking about e celebs and about hating gays or whatever, here's it's just another annoying irrelevant post that no one will really care about which is why (You)'ve mostly been ignored.

Also /horsefuckerpol/ poster stop posting images of your fanfiction Nazi's, I know for a fact your ass doesn't know the first thing about it and you'd probably get pushed into a gas chamber first thing had Hitler had the disgusting misfortune of meeting you.

2nd, no one here has ever mentioned Trump for the past two months except to point out he supports Israel.

We openly disown Antifa and Antifascism in general as being liberal larping that defends capitalism.

And Antifa itself is dead, liberals have resorted to throwing fast food at politicians as a form of ""peaceful protest"" and have also begun self harming themselves to try and get Trumps attention, these people are idiots and we disown them too, they are not associated with them, we don't even openly claim ML's to be our own here though I doubt you know what the fuck Marxist Leninism even means since you just said something entirely unrelated to our board showing how ignorant you are.

If you want to debate SJW's and other liberals you can go to Reddit which judging by your post is where you came from. Otherwise for all my disagreements with the mods I support them if it means I can stop looking at those atrocious drawings of horses.


 No.144938

File: e51f93bf6a46681⋯.png (114.18 KB, 1736x1008, 31:18, 1493583091933-1.png)

>>144937

>Also /horsefuckerpol/ poster stop posting images of your fanfiction Nazi's

I am impressed, you articulate your thought in a very polite and reasonable way.

Respect.

This is my last pony for a while, you can relax commie. Trolling is over.


 No.144943

>>144938

>commie

Once again nice assumption, I'm not a communist I'm a socialist.

>this is my last pony

Considering it's not just a cringeworthy still from the show it's actually decent. Shame you have nothing similar.




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