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File: 8f202cd7db599c9⋯.jpg (90.79 KB, 743x496, 743:496, the guardian and vice.jpg)

 No.134084

Am I the only one who is filled with boiling rage every time I visit liberal websites like The Guardian and Vice?

I usually enjoy reading articles at WSWS, Libcom, Counterpunch, Truthdig, etc. but eventually there is a link to either The Guardian or Vice and I make the mistake of reading several articles on those websites.

It really pisses me off that everything is "woke" and "low key" and "microagression" and faux political incorrectness like "don't be a dick, dude" and all the articles have condescending titles like "no, popular opinion that no one actually holds is wrong" or "something something apparently bad (and why that's a good thing)" and so on.

I'm pissed at the blatant anti-working class streak that permeates through those websites at the same time that they spout leftist mantras that lose all character when professed by these elitist and conformist liberals who pay lip service to anti-capitalist ideas when in fact they just turned anti-capitalism into a profitable business (cooptation).

I'm so fucking happy that both those corporations are having financial trouble and firing their staff:

>https://www.mumbrella.asia/2019/03/vice-and-buzzfeed-started-believing-their-own-hype-says-guardian-boss

But at the same time I'm sad because they used to be top-notch a decade and half ago. I'm not a fan of the "get woke go broke" belief for obvious reasons but holy shit, if anyone deserves to go broke, it's these fucking know-it-all cosmopolitan limp-wristed faggots who talk down to the alienated working class. And then these fucking "specialists" wonder why Brexit and Trump happened: it's the fake news, it's Russia, it's the trolls. They have the world at their feet, a global reach, and instead of using it to wake up the masses they alienate them by engaging in clickbait identity politics.

Who the fuck gives a single fucking fuck about the struggles of some millionaire who happens to be African-American and LGBT? The point of left-wing politics is to SMASH capitalist systems of oppression, not to invert them. /rant

 No.134087

>>134084

Why would you ever read corporate news?


 No.134091

>>134084

Welcome to the modus operandi of liberals. LARP as leftist, embrace identity politics and then give the middle finger to the working class.

>Who the fuck gives a single fucking fuck about the struggles of some millionaire who happens to be African-American and LGBT?

Virtue signalling assclowns, of course. It's all about flimsy horseshit like "muh sexist media" and "muh diversity in videogaemz" while doing fuck all about the actual struggle of the working class.

The only thing they got right, however, is that Isael is a terrorist state and must be destroyed. If only because Ilhan Omar said so, not because they actually care about the palestinians.


 No.134093

>they used to be top-notch a decade and half ago

Outside that one interesting North Korea documentary, Vice has pretty much always been unreliable trash.


 No.134204

File: d887794d9c5dec0⋯.jpg (116.85 KB, 600x396, 50:33, MoneyPit.jpg)

>The Grauniad

I was under the general impression that, much like CNN, most of their lower-quality/"woker" output in cringe compilations was confined to their blogging unit, and "normal" stories from their newsdesk staff writers are usually written to a higher standard.

>I'm so fucking happy that both those corporations are having financial trouble and firing their staff

Honestly reminds me of Mic:

https://theoutline.com/post/2156/mic-com-and-the-cynicism-of-modern-media

Really though, the entire clickbait/adbux/social media panopticon fad is a bubble waiting to pop, composed entirely of bots clicking ads served by algorithmic trackerbots to solicit venture capital from investorbots:

https://idlewords.com/talks/what_happens_next_will_amaze_you.htm

>>134087

Because indy bloggers and citizen journalism that were supposed to replace "old media" are (predictably) turned out to be an impractical pipe dream for a lot of types of stories that need deep pockets and stable investigative networks to plumb, and there is no alternative.

>>134093

You know who I miss most? Gonzo journalism, the strange unironically edgy people that would make these Weird Twatter goons quake in their panties, like The eXile.


 No.134397

>Vice

>liberal

Vice is very much conservative. Their documentaries and productions are explicit about this. Their story on the Old Firm, for example, basically talks shit about Irish republicans and says that EDL "isn't that bad".

In a couple years' time they'll openly support right-wing national populism.


 No.134509

it's okay I get the same way reading Wu Mao and RIDF articles


 No.142185

File: ae97529ad6a2e78⋯.jpg (2.27 MB, 3120x4160, 3:4, 15573888312174930417767844….jpg)

>>134084

>It really pisses me off that everything is "woke" and "low key" and "microagression" and faux political incorrectness like "don't be a dick, dude"

I would say that chacterisation is more accurate of social media platforms like twitter and facebook. These platforms are more about venting to an audience of like minds.

The Graundiad's writing is generally less annoying , as it has to be.Its pitched to a broader audience. Contrary to what is popularly thought, the Graundiad want to sell papers, and the more idealistic journos want to influence its readers. They not interested in establishing a clique,( or what I think Mr Peter Coffin calls a validation gang. Disclaimer I'm not Peter coffin.) Take this article for example

:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/07/swimming-sexist-behaviour-british-pools-male-swimmers-men

The author of this piece looks as hot as fuck. Honestly I would find it a struggle not to perve over her, not even a little bit, at the swimming poo myself.

But she does seems to have a legitimate grievance. Most reasonable people can understand you go a pool for a swim not to get spied on and wanked to. Hard day hammering articles on the typewriter… you re going to need a break and you just want to go for a swim.

>fucking know-it-all cosmopolitan limp-wristed faggots who talk down to the alienated working class

There are gay people in the working class.

Do you mean alienated, or pissed off? Alienation, as Marxists use the word, doesn't mean muh feelz of being alienated. It means really being alienated, seperated.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/mandel/19xx/xx/alien.htm

Tbh, it all sounds a bit reminiscent of the late Mark Fisher's IDpol- izing of the working class. He set up criteria for inclusion in the working class which he would have failed to meet himself. So it's sort of a Cretan Liar paradox. If someone who is middle class tells you not believe middle class liars should you believe them? https://nothingiseverlost.wordpress.com/2013/11/23/vampires-arent-actually-real-though-class-is-a-reply-to-mark-fishers-castle-of-bollocks/

disclaimer:I'm not the author of this blog

>And then these fucking "specialists" wonder why Brexit and Trump happened: it's the fake news, it's Russia, it's the trolls

It's establishment-laundering, anon. Read all about it in today's Grauniad!

>Farage’s use of conspiracy language suddenly casts an ex-commodities trader-turned-career politician as the little guy. QAnon is a grandiose conspiracy that pits Trump – literally the most powerful person on earth – as the underdog against the far more puissant “deep state”. Conspiracy theories let you claim, imply, or suggest that you’re fighting the establishment even when you are the establishment.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/08/nigel-farage-conspiracy-theories-politics-language


 No.142221

>>142185

>Tbh, it all sounds a bit reminiscent of the late Mark Fisher's IDpol- izing of the working class. He set up criteria for inclusion in the working class which he would have failed to meet himself. So it's sort of a Cretan Liar paradox. If someone who is middle class tells you not believe middle class liars should you believe them? https://nothingiseverlost.wordpress.com/2013/11/23/vampires-arent-actually-real-though-class-is-a-reply-to-mark-fishers-castle-of-bollocks/

awful, bad-faith critique

>In particular, I was a bit taken aback by his casual, offhand reference to Owen Jones as “the person most responsible for raising class consciousness in the UK in the last few years”.

>A serious attempt to evaluate the claim that class consciousness in Britain is mostly dependant on Owen Jones

malicious strawman

> In passing, it’s worth noting how he describes his enthusiasm for Brand: “Malcolm X, Che, politics as a psychedelic dismantling of existing reality: this was communism as something cool, sexy and proletarian.” When looking for ways to suggest the idea of communism as something sexy and exciting, he doesn’t pick France ’68, or the refusal of work in 1970s Italy, or the Poll Tax Riot or Millbank: he goes straight for an invocation of the names of more Great Men. I think this is quite a revealing choice.

what is revealing is that the author refuses to see why a text would compare a person to another person instead of an event.

the bullshit goes on, trying to paint Fisher as some kind of uncritical Labour party cheerleader, and calling out Fisher for his ambiguous use of the word "class" this argument has some merit esp. if one is trying to reclaim class in the marxist sense from the weberian concept of class while refusing to see that parts of the working class can work against the interest of their class as a whole, for ex. the state violence apparatus or the petit-bourg Fisher loosely names the vampire castle media class and academics as. This flawed argument is repeated even clearer in the 2019 new version of his article.

worst of all the article doesn't actually engage with the central arguments and instead concentrates on the externalities, showing the weakness of the author's position.


 No.142434


 No.142436

>>142434

Are teenage girls the new revolutionary subject?


 No.142444

>>134397

everything goes left with time, not right.

>>142436

I certainly hope not, or maybe so, so that incel shootings will skyrocket.


 No.142468

>>142436

>Are teenage girls the new revolutionary subject

>>142444

>I certainly hope not, or maybe so, so that incel shootings will skyrocket.

Something involves teenage girls somewhere, and anons gets excited.

It's written by an anarchist union organiser working at VICE (a happy coincidence, given the thread topic.)

I've just subbed to her newsletter. Free to read!( No patreon money to stump up. No weekly reminder her book is available for purchase… She says just if you like it just tell someone else about it , so I am. It's like the old days, when, as the British anarchist Albert Meltzer put it, "the are no careers to be made from anarchism." It almost brings a tear to my bloodshot eye! Of course, it could just be before she gets established. (Sort of Uber-in-reverse, start off big paying end up small paying - reversed. )

https://bethespark.substack.com


 No.142561

>>142468

I still think a union contractor working for what could well be porky level mass media at this point is pretty dubious. It's like someone who astroturfs as a fedbook agent.


 No.143345

I get the same reaction on reading any of their shit.

Honestly, journos need the guillotine. Fuck them all.


 No.143400

>>134204

>I was under the general impression that, much like CNN, most of their lower-quality/"woker" output in cringe compilations was confined to their blogging unit, and "normal" stories from their newsdesk staff writers are usually written to a higher standard.

Regular Graun reader here. It's a mix. The international politics section is top notch. The domestic news and politics sections of the US/UK/AUS sections has some cancer but it can be ignored. Sports section is good. The lifestyle and opinion sections are where you go to expel the blood from your gas plasma system, but even there a few of the writers (Harris, Monbiot, Malik) are interesting and worth a look.


 No.143511

>>143345

You are my spiritual brother, I swear


 No.143569

>>143345

journocide when?


 No.143578




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