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File: 2945dbef6f97d20⋯.jpeg (43.34 KB, 672x456, 28:19, images.jpeg)

 No.130965

Is starting and living in communes to escape capitalism directly the only plausible way to start off the revolution?

Imagine if every leftist in a country came together and decided to leave capitalism and start living in mutual aid societies where money and work doesn't exist

 No.130967

You spammed this thread 3 times, no that's utopian idealism.


 No.130971

>>130965

Yes. Capitalism isn't going anywhere any time soon, communes are the only way to live the way we want to right now.


 No.130985

Didn't the lolberts already try that a few times recently?

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/02/libertarian-expat-communities-chile/

The usual problem (assuming it isn't a cult, scam, or just a completely bunko ideology) is that you get too many lifestylists, and not enough people with a solid practical grounding.


 No.130995

>>130967

Read Jacques Camette. Unironically.


 No.130996

In fact all of you should.


 No.131009

Making a tiny colony in the middle of nowhere that is still completely subject to the whims of capital or else living in dire poverty in an attempt to become self-sufficient is doomed to failure at best and bad praxis at worst that subtracts from the political struggle. Imagine if Lenin or any other great revolutionary went and lived in the woods instead of doing something actually important


 No.131021

>>131009

>Making a tiny colony in the middle of nowhere that is still completely subject to the whims of capital or else living in dire poverty in an attempt to become self-sufficient is doomed to failure at best and bad praxis at worst that subtracts from the political struggle

That's a harsh thing to say about the DPRK


 No.131022

File: 2ff2bd0f6c9c570⋯.jpg (164.19 KB, 652x958, 326:479, 2ff2bd0f6c9c5706e9a100e718….jpg)

>start commune

>become mostly self-sufficient

>establish mutual aid networks with other communes and co-ops

>people start moving from urban areas to join and grow the commune

>porky gets worried

>feds label you as a cult

>Waco'd

It might be a comfy few years but it'll end in a fiery purge.


 No.131026

>>131021

The DPRK is a borderline self-sufficient socialist state with millions of people living there. The political struggle was already victorious. A shoot and a miss, comrade.


 No.131027

>where money and work doesn't exist

I had to read that several times. I hope you meant where working for money doesn't exist instead of saying that people wouldn't have to work, because if there's something that people would have to do doubled in a commune is working to make it something actually viable and functional.


 No.131030

Read Critique of the Gotha program now


 No.131031

>>131009

>>131021

my sides are in orbit


 No.131043

File: 379c97ef9338dd3⋯.mp4 (234.21 KB, 640x480, 4:3, Starcraft 1 - Nuclear Laun….mp4)

>>131021

ATOMIC SCORCHING BURN!

>>131026

>end up in control of breakaway republic

>least fertile half of the country, more industrialized

>don't build japanese-style export economy

>instead go for francoist spain-style retarded autarky

>be only industrialized nation to have peacetime famines


 No.136686

>>130965

The only way it could work is that the first person you invite is a licensed psychologist. That person would be given the Hare Psychopathy Checklist, to administer to anyone who wants to join your commune. Psychopaths are attracted to groups that they can take over. This has been the bane of humankind's existence since the first politician crawled out of the primordial slime. The psychologist would administer the test to anyone who wants to join the the commune, and those applicants who fail the test would be rejected. This would be a first step in developing a no-money community. In the Star Trek timeline, after Earth suffers through a nuclear World War Three (which is supposed to start pretty soon, now) they evolve into one of the more "advanced" planets that does not use money. And there are no national borders. We can dream, but this isn't happening in our lifetimes, I don't think.


 No.136689

File: 23aaf51e3cd9abd⋯.png (9.98 KB, 600x400, 3:2, ClipboardImage.png)

You mean Fristaden Christiania?

It exists since 1971


 No.136705

>Confusing commune in the tradition European sense, a city-state republic, with utopian collectives

Do you fuckers even know anything? There was even a Paris Commune during the 1st French Revolution. Italian city-states are called communes. Even today, municipal governments in France and Italy are called communes.

Hippie communes are an insult to the old Western tradition of forming democratic city-states to protect against the feudal order.


 No.136734

How long will capitalism last?


 No.136742

>>136734

When the Derivative nuke explodes.


 No.136754

File: 8becd7bfa1b41fb⋯.png (146.38 KB, 874x720, 437:360, dprk milled rice export.png)

>>131021

>country with 20 million people in half a peninsula is a tiny colony in the middle of nowhere

>self reliance isn't mandatory when you are denied access to resources

Okay retard.

>>131043

>least fertile half

The more fertile half imports 90 percent of its food. If the DPRK was as retarded as that and didn't go for self reliance wherever possible, they would have collapsed in the 90s. This isn't mutually exclusive with exporting either.

>peacetime famines

Only one in it's history was in the 90s and was the result of combination of the worst flooding and drought to ever hit the region and losing access to oil, fuel, and fertilizer. This also destroyed coal mines and killed hydroelectric power production.


 No.136862

>>136754

>he’s still masturbating over his fascist dystopia from behind his keyboard

Fuck off tankie


 No.136866

>>130995

Camatte is an irrelevant weirdo and people who recommend him are all roleplayers.

>>136773

>Try to keep in mind that the folks bitching itt actively want you to participate in supporting capitalism with no deviation, and it will become clear.

I'd rather see people like you and OP to take part in organizing proles to fight for their class demands rather than fantasise about growing cabbage in the middle of fucking nowhere, but that'd require either of you having a job first.


 No.137284

File: 154b1e9818a288b⋯.png (112.35 KB, 424x553, 424:553, nkvd.png)

general strikes and get the backing of the military if you want it to last more than a week


 No.137286

>>137284

Also in order for it to spread across the globe do in the US. They have military capabilities to defend them selves, also the ability to manufacture armaments to supply other revolutions.


 No.137349

>>137284

>get the backing of the military

Yes the US military is something we should trust and allow to exist as a "proletarian" army after the revolution. That is a great strategy, proletarian social revolution with military-industrial characteristics!

kys


 No.137389

>>131026

uh they go their whole lives without eating a grain of white rice, watch television in the closet at the dark of night, fucking public executions and concentration camps for anyone who has a thought. that's socialism.

anyway it's not about commune per se but dual power, the commune innawoods still exists in relation to the state

something needs to happen where the 500 billion dollar / year war machine gets gimped by being blindsided so that all their drones and nukes get evaporated by a benevolent AI then we can start talking


 No.137504

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>>136862

>fascist dystopia

citation needed

>>137389

Rice is their main food item and KCTV comes on at 1430 and shuts off at 2250.

The only source for public execution and concentration camp bullshit are celebrity defectors who are paid to lie, and satellite photos which are indistinguishable from normal towns or villages.

Like the famous defector Park Yeon Mi claims she witnessed a public execution for watching a western film, yet they literally show dubbed western films on national TV. As confirmed by outsiders who visited/worked in the country.


 No.137869

>>131027

What I meant by work was wage labour

You can have wage labour without money

Like you can work in exchange for labour vouchers but it'll still be wage labour, or so I think, please correct me if I'm wrong and give your reasons as to why

>>131030

Pls explain why


 No.137874

BRING BACK THE DETROIT COMMUNE


 No.137960

>>136734

As long as we allow it to last


 No.139343


 No.139414

>>137818

the thing is most people who promote such things lack the skills to make it happen… its a huge self selection problem

those who could make it happen are happy as it is, those who arent just cant make it happen

my suggestion wouldnt be to lean so heavily against capitalism but to rather take it and improve it through regulation.

for some areas capitalism is unbeatable like for aggregating prices efficiently or promoting progress. for other areas of course it does not work so well like in education or health care.

what i never get is why people see it so binary. you can have capitalism and regulate away the sideeffects of it. you dont need to tear everything down. im from austria for example and we kind of have the best of both sides allthough still with room to improve.

one thing i would still regulate more here would be taxes and inheritance since it snowballs too much




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