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 No.121407

I asked this over at /leftypol/ and didnt get anything.

Is Natalie Wynn, aka contrapoints a liberal. I seem to remember her saying some liberal shit out of character once.

Does anyone have evidence of her supporting liberalism/capitalism unironically or not in character in some discourse video?

Thanks in advance. It's for science.

 No.121410


 No.121413

Why do we need to have a thread about this person with +300 replies every month?

Yes, she's a liberal. Yes, she made an anti-capitalist video where she calls communism a thing when you have brutal dictators and blatantly misreads Marx like a leftoid where she identifies alienation as "having shitty jobs". Yes she is a bit of an odd character with a shady past, look her up on Kiwifarms.


 No.121421

He’s a liberal


 No.121438

Contra is a Pride-supporting fag, of course he's a liberal


 No.121442

You gonna stream your suicide on twitch?


 No.121457

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>>121413

Kiwifarms is retarded and even worse than infinite chan. At least the admin here has an excuse he's a literal potato

Did learn something in that thread. Hon is a slur trans use to say an unpassing MtF who just stereotypes women with dresses and hair.

So now when I say oh hon it's not just passive aggressive I'm destroying your typified identity. If you ask me this is more suitable for 90℅ of FtMs who think being a man just means being fat and not showering


 No.121458

There is not a single opinionstube attention whore who isn't an illiterate retard.


 No.121460

>>121458

>Jason Unruhe

>Jim Profit

>Idubbz

>Ethan of H3H3


 No.121470

>>121458

This nigger gets it.


 No.121475

>>121460

Literally all shit for brains grifters


 No.121492

>>121407

she is socdem


 No.121524

*groans*

I've listened to 3 fuckin hours of her ramble on about owning the incels trying to find her say something anti-communist or explicitly liberal and I'd just like any evidence of yall have it.


 No.121525

>>121524

Nice redditor imitation


 No.121537

>>121525

Thanks kiddo


 No.121538


 No.121549


 No.121590

File: c630857fa6a8367⋯.webm (1.44 MB, 640x360, 16:9, she.webm)


 No.121647

>>121590

based and classpilled


 No.121649

It doesn't matter if she's a liberal or a megatankie or a 20th level spookbuster, what matters is that she's an eceleb and you should read a book instead of watching youtube videos.


 No.121650

Contrapoints is a liberal, an alcoholic and a member of the horrible """queer""" sex cult that wants to force themselves on others.


 No.122414


 No.122421

tfw no natalie blowjob


 No.122426

No, but as a trans person she has a vested interest in speaking up on gender issues and her content reflects that, I think she gets an undue amount of hate on this board just because she's a trans person, yes her take on alienation is sloppy but this board gives a free pass to other anti-dialectical ideologies too so it isn't fair to single her out for it.

To her credit, she does make rightwingers look stupid and even gets other anti-leftist opinontube channels like Eazyonme to acknowledge that she's persuasive and has shut up other big anti-sjw channels too afraid to take her on.

But at the same time, the hype around her channel feels out of touch with the public, she's lauded as though she's the answer to the right just because she reveals Ben Shapiro and The Golden One to be intellectually bereft demagogues and whilst it is a welcome to see someone humorously pick apart these hatemongers, she still represents a caricature of the left, being a bogeyman at worst who caters to a fawning audience of milquetoast liberal sycophants whilst vindicating the very reactionaries she plays off of.


 No.122448

>>121457

Kiwifarms is just Something Awful 2.0


 No.122489

I'd hit it


 No.122512

>>122426

People on /left*pol/ have had disagreements with contra before even she knew she was trans. That said her politics have definitely gotten more idpol since then presumably because of where she's been getting emotional support for the transition. Yeah some people dislike her for being trans (fuck em) but her politics have actually gotten worse.

I'll give her credit for being considerate of other opinions though. Most people who try to communicate these ideas to the same audience tend to be a lot angrier and insulting. IMO Natalie actually wants to change people's minds instead of entrench people further in opposition (which is what some activists seem to want, so they'll always have the "bad guys" to lecture and feel superior to). Unlike those people she's also cleary got enough of an open mind to recognize that stuff like gender identity is not settled psychology/sociology and there's a discussion worth having instead of merely a True dogma to preach. Wish she was a radical instead of a liberal cultire warrior though.


 No.122523

>>121407

e-celebs


 No.122556

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>>122426

> I think she gets an undue amount of hate on this board just because she's a trans person

No, because literally anyone who tries their hand at leftist theory gets shit on by us: muke, finnishbolshevik, badmouse, etc. There's always a minority that likes them, and then a loud majority that spam their videos and twitter about how they're not a "real" leftist because they don't agree with the ideology of the month, then the video creator gets salty at all the negative comments and ragequits. Even people liked Bat'ko, who is mainly liked, mostly gave up and resorted to occasional meme videos because of the ungrateful community. I've considered doing a video series, but I've quoted works by Marx and Engels on /leftypol/ and told that they don't count because Lenin/Stalin/Mao/Zizek/Whoever wrote something better. When a bunch of marxists tell you to fuck off for reading Marx, you know that trying to appeal to them is hopeless. This is the main reason I think Spectre Rouge failed, everyone knew if they spent hours working on a paper that we'd all just shit on them regardless of what they wrote.

Contrapoints never had a chance to appease our little boards, but at the same time I don't think she gives a fuck about us anyways.


 No.122569

>>122556

Boo-hoo, nobody likes ecelebs.


 No.122577

>>122556

You're a fucking idiot, FinnBol never really got dunked on here except for the incident with the NKVD rape fantasy, BadMouse got praise here for growing up ideologically and not being a anarcho-liberal anymore. Muke got rightfully shit on for being a condescending loudmouth sucking up to all kinds of liberals while knowing fuck all about the ideology he us promoting, Bat'ko did the same and turned full hurr durr SWERFs get the bullet type radlib.

Almost as if assholes and narcisstics are getting shit on and non-assholes are somewhat respected.


 No.122578

>>122426

It wasn't just the alienation take that was horrid. She has not displayed any notion of actually knowing the philosophers she is referencing, it's all incoherent. She dropped out of university during her philosophy major, probably the reason why she knows nothing, instead, she blames it on "academia". Her attack on Blanchard implicitly calling him a pedophile is also uncalled for, just because she disagrees with his psychoanalytical analysis of gender dysphioria, the guy has been a lifelong advocate of trans rights, so bitch please. She also publicly disowned sh0eonhead because people thought it was "problematic" that she commented under her video, despite it being clear that Natalie/Nick does actually like sh0eonhead and was simply forced by her GamerGhazi echo chamber to do some struggle session. All this talk about gender and whatnot also bores me to death.


 No.122590

>>122556

>literally anyone who tries their hand at leftist theory gets shit on by us: muke

When he started out he was still relatively honest about how little he knew. Between then and now, his modesty went down without a corresponding growing pile of read books. "Highlights" of twitter muke are him dissing Cockshott without having read him and musing about how much he wished he could travel back in time to teach Lenin proper Marx.

>finnishbolshevik

He's OK.

>badmouse

Admitted to still having to learn much and took a break reading stuff.

>Bat'ko, who is mainly liked

No, he has pissed away all and any credibility. But as shit as he is, I don't think he's guilty of even pretending to be a theorist of sorts. He's an opportunist who now does idpol shit for radlib clicks.

> I've quoted works by Marx and Engels on /leftypol/ and told that they don't count because Lenin/Stalin/Mao/Zizek/Whoever wrote something better.

Do you have any links to back that up?


 No.122632

>>122578

>She also publicly disowned sh0eonhead because people thought it was "problematic" that she commented under her video, despite it being clear that Natalie/Nick does actually like sh0eonhead and was simply forced by her GamerGhazi echo chamber to do some struggle session.

Why are adults with more education than 90% of people so often, so childish? Is academia just a place for the types who want to be school children forever?


 No.122637

>>122556

> This is the main reason I think Spectre Rouge failed, everyone knew if they spent hours working on a paper that we'd all just shit on them regardless of what they wrote.

I'm not sure if any of you guys are aware but the Morningstar publishes amateur guest/freelance content, I know a few guys who have been published on there. Just ask them, I think you guys are more than qualified.

Look under submissions:

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/page/contact-us


 No.122640

>>122512

>Unlike those people she's also cleary got enough of an open mind to recognize that stuff like gender identity is not settled psychology/sociology

I thought that she leaned towards the psychological side of the debate, represented by the trans character in her video about TERFs.


 No.122644

>>122640

I've watched some of her streams (Contrapoints Live on youtube) to try to get a feel for what kind of person she is. Apparently she sympathizes with both the idea that gender identity is inherent and that it's social. She says she thinks of her old self as male and her current self as female, for instance. It's pretty obvious that there are open questions about this and she acknowledges as much. On this topic she's probably more open minded having been inside the academic world and having seen that you should take state-of-the art knowledge with a grain of salt. Whereas, you know, as with many topics the people invested in identity issues try to find the most "respectful" positions and treat them as Fact.


 No.122692

>>121457

>>122448

<shitter-shattering detected

>>122556

>This is the main reason I think Spectre Rouge failed, everyone knew if they spent hours working on a paper that we'd all just shit on them regardless of what they wrote.

Spectre Rouge didn't "fail" so much as it dried up and blew away for lack of attention. I don't recall any of the articles being lambasted on the board the way the embarrassing opinionstube rambles of aforementioned eCelebs were, and a lot of them were actually pretty good.

I think for something like that to succeed, we need to think of it less as a proper magazine, and more like a text-based, editorially polished, effortpost-only equivalent of the booru's screencaps. Something we can link to or quote for board consensus responses instead of embedding spur of the moment screencaps.


 No.122702

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>>122556

Not saying who I am but right back you nblacks

>>122577

Finnbol did nothing wrong. I don't kowtow to liberals so you can take my advice or just turn into liberals yourselves. Your choice.


 No.124670

>>122578

she has a master's degree in philosophy.


 No.124722

He’s a guy.


 No.124723

>>124719

Basques are the ones who need national liberation not Catalonia. Because they are actually a unique identity, not Catalans.


 No.124724

>>124670

Privileged cunt


 No.124770

>>124719

>She pertty obviously sympathizes with the liberal point of view and kept admonishing the Anfia character about her inability to frame or communicate her message to liberals that would be sympathetic.

Yeah, it's because she doesn't get that antifa aren't trying to reach out to Well Intentioned Liberals and have The Discourse. Your brain on liberalism restricts your conception of political action to Talking It Out and voting. She doesn't get that antifa could give a fuck what she thinks of them, that they're there to have some direct effect, either breaking shit or intimidating cowardly far-right-wingers.

Also, she's not dumb, she just overestimates how much she knows. Someone should definitely push her to read some basic Marx because at the moment she seems to subscribe to the JBP idea of Marx as "equality of outcome" shit.


 No.129376

>>121590

Based. Look at those faggots enabling the tranny.


 No.129384

>>124770

>Someone should definitely push her to read some basic Marx because at the moment she seems to subscribe to the JBP idea of Marx as "equality of outcome" shit.

That would do no good. The problem is not lack of knowledge here, the problem is that Contrapoints is financially dependent on the cult of intersectional liberals who use "equality of outcome" as a talking point. Contra is pulling in over a quarter of a million dollars annually from the GamerGhazi idpol set and they're already kicking their livers about when Contra dares stray slightly from their line. Contra would need to be insane to directly contradict them in such a manner.

Also, sage because radlib e-sleb.


 No.129413

>>129384

>Contra is pulling in over a quarter of a million dollars annually from the GamerGhazi idpol set

No way, even YouTube creators that pull in millions of views don't make this.


 No.129458

>>129413

Wanna bet?

7,694 patrons of patreon (Sauce: https://www.patreon.com/contrapoints ).

The minimum tier is $2. Let's assume that all Contrapoints cash cows contribute the minimum amount.

7694*2*12=184656

The absolute bottom end of what Contra is possibly making is $184,656 per annum. I stand by my assertion that it's more likely to be a quarter of a mil.


 No.129513

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>>129384

>the problem is that Contrapoints is financially dependent on the cult of intersectional liberals who use "equality of outcome" as a talking point. Contra is pulling in over a quarter of a million dollars annually from the GamerGhazi idpol set and they're already kicking their livers about when Contra dares stray slightly from their line.

Well shit. The problem here is also that anybody who tries to get into the youtube commentariat is liable to get the same group patronizing them and making them beholdened to their demands. How do you keep these faggots away if you're making lefty content, put a slur at the start of each video?


 No.129525

I think she's overall good for us, as she makes the "left" look sane. By the "left" I mean what dumb ass right-wingers and centrists think the "left" is. Which lowers the amount reactionaries we will have to deal with.


 No.129591

>>129458

I stand corrected. In my defense I meant she couldn't be making a quarter million from YouTube ad revenue.


 No.129599

>>129458

If you think about it it really isn't that impressive to make videos like this when you earn this much money. I don't think she's having to put more than two hours of work per day into her videos, which is just another instance of YouTuber being whiney bitches about the "effort" they are putting into their videos whereas your average Joe needs to make extra hours to come even close to that wage.


 No.129600

>>129599

Contra's whole thing is how much effort goes into producing her videos.


 No.129604

>>121460

>Jason Unruhe

>not an illiterate retard

Come on


 No.129606

>>129599

2 things I gotta point out, she does put a significant amount of effort into her videos much more than other leftists and the rightwingers she's debunking. Have you seen a Paul Cockshott video? Or even Jason Unruhe or FinnishBolshevik? You really think her videos take just 2 hours to research, script, act, produce, edit etc?

Besides we shouldn't hold it against her for making a lot of money off her own work, socialism isn't about envy or austerity, it's (mostly) about ending wage labour parasitism (capital) so we can fully realise the value of our own labour, regardless of how worthwhile that labour may be. It only pays into the rights rhetoric of "making everyone equally poor".

Oh and she apparently has a new video out this week, I didn't watch her last video because I don't care for meme topics like "are traps gay?"


 No.129637

Nathaniel Faggot is certainly a liberal.


 No.129678

>>129606

It's unfair to demean Roo for using a less elaborate video style than someone who puts out on or two videos a month. Roo pumps out something every 24 hours as a one-man operation. The simple truth is that the lack of available manpower and the short deadline is going to dictate the operation of his show in that regard.

Sage, because e-sleb


 No.129851

>>129606

it just means she has a lot of loose money to spend. that's hardly prole.


 No.129852

>>124719

colleges are indoctrination centers anyways.


 No.129862

>>129606

>2 things I gotta point out, she does put a significant amount of effort into her videos much more than other leftists and the rightwingers she's debunking. Have you seen a Paul Cockshott video? Or even Jason Unruhe or

Jason's low prod values are all part of his charm, as far as I'm concerned.

He's Blank Reg's younger, better fed American cousin.

https://youtu.be/HuConR5l0no


 No.129866

>>129851

>that's hardly prole.

That's not the contention we ought to have with capitalism, capitalism is unjust, if all the proles were well paid it wouldn't justify the capitalists role in the system, we are not a cause for austerity.

>>129678

>>129862

I understand that Jason's news videos ie the daily videos that he puts out means that it's prohibitive for him to make them super flashy, but he has done in depth Marxist analysis/lecture videos on many topics which do not require that he churns them out as soon as possible, after all he has already made the great effort of referencing literature and data for those videos, it wouldn't hurt him to make them captivating for people who aren't already socialist. Badmouse and Hakim do a better job (even if Badmouse won't touch any equations) for those kind of videos, I don't find his lack of quality charming at all, if you've combed the comments for those videos you'll see people who've never seen or heard of him just disregarding his videos out of hand.

Even the most viewed sympathetic videos on Marxism aren't by anyone on breadtube, it pays to have high production propaganda, even Prager U understands this, they know ordinary liberals won't pay them any attention if Dennis Prager just stood in front of a bunch of static slides.


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>>129606

>and she apparently has a new video out this week

Here it is

https://youtu.be/qtj7LDYaufM

A good one, on (dark) humour.

Pic unrelated to the video, but kind of related to the subject :Paul Garon "Blues and the Poetic Spirit"


 No.130044

t(y)ranny


 No.130050

Contrapoints isn't any less of a dumb liberal than every other youtuber, Jason the memeruhe included. You literally can't be a youtube whore and not be a liberal.

So in short yes, Contrapointsd is liberal af but so is every obscure tankie youtuber, even the Finnish Pedophile.


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 No.130071

>>130050

>Jim Profit and J Barge are liberals

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


 No.130088

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>>121410

>when you make 200k a year (at the very least)

Can i get a hell ya! From all my Champagne socialist out there tonight!

I can’t wait till Gucci releases the “profits are the unpaid wages of the working class” line of handbags so muh Queen cantra can slay the dirty fascist with style.

I cant wait till her next video titled

>about that 70% tax rate…


 No.130090

>>130071

>& Bat'ko

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


 No.130091

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>>129851

>it just means she has a lot of loose money to spend. that's hardly prole.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

richfags gtfo! If that doesn’t make her prole what the fuck does. Shes leterally two steps above trust fund kids by your logic. I mean sure trust funders have a lot of loose money but they aren’t fucking over any workers. Sooooooo they ain’t prole.

The accumulation of weath for any other reason other then to serve the greater good makes you prole regardless if you’re “fighting the good fight” otherwise you movment becomes a nifty way to make money. An that is exactly what is happening, again and again. You even have companys like Gillette and Pepsi taking moral stances to earn social justice good boy points. It’s a fucking misdirection trick don’t fall for it. Call out bullshit regardless of the persons political stances or if you like them or not. Just because Gillette or contrapoimts is “Woke” doesn’t mean they give a fuck about poor people for the people they take advantage of in the third world. And the fact she makes as much as she does and claims to be a socialist is bullshit. It needs to be called out.


 No.130094

>>130091

>

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>richfags gtfo! If that doesn’t make her prole what the fuck does. Shes leterally two steps above trust fund kids by your logic. I mean sure trust funders have a lot of loose money but they aren’t fucking over any workers. Sooooooo they ain’t prole.

>The accumulation of weath for any other reason other then to serve the greater good makes you prole regardless if you’re “fighting the good fight” otherwise you movment becomes a nifty way to make money. An that is exactly what is happening, again and again. You even have companys like Gillette and Pepsi taking moral stances to earn social justice good boy points. It’s a fucking misdirection trick don’t fall for it. Call out bullshit regardless of the persons political stances or if you like them or not. Just because Gillette or contrapoimts is “Woke” doesn’t mean they give a fuck about poor people for the people they take advantage of in the third world. And the fact she makes as much as she does and claims to be a socialist is bullshit. It needs to be called out.

What's so great about being poor?

Can anyone explain this?

I'm in precarious "self- employment" (gig economy work) myself. My working life is a constant hustle to earn as much money as possible.

If I win big on the Premium Bonds one thing I certainly won't be doing is giving it to the poor, another is using it for "the greater good."

It's not really about being poor, is it? Being poor is the problem. You not being authentic if you're poor. If you're poor exploitation still happens, youre just on the wrong end of it.

I think Contrapoints videos are pretty entertaining. They're free to watch, anyway, it's patreon donations where she makes her money. You can watch the videos without paying anything.

I don't think she's "claimed to be a socialist."


 No.130097

Contra may not be an ultrarevolutionary like you guys (haha) but she's socialist. Only an edgy armchair boi or cointelpro would say otherwise.

BTW, the "she's rich therefore liberal" argument is absolute /pol/-tier of political analysis.


 No.130098

>>130094

The gig economy is a problem because it allows people to make insane amounts of money and go un checked in liberal circles. The gig economy is only accessible to the leisure class as a general rule. If you are surviving solely on donations. I can guarantee you that you don’t have children, or your parents or spouse support you to some extent at sometime past adulthood. I didn’t have an Internet connection or a computer until I was 20 I didn’t have a cell phone till I was 19. There are a few million people in the same predicament I was. So basically I didn’t have the option to get into the gig economy until I was 20 and then by the time I was 20 but by then I was working 60 hours a week to pay rent and save up for a car. I didn’t have a parent who could buy me a car I didn’t have anyone who could help me with rent. I was working a wage slave job for 60 hours, We’re 50% of my income was given to the government my landlord utility company and insurance company. If you have children this compounds the problem further especially for the working poor. When you work shit jobs you start to realize that everyone works two jobs. At the McDonald’s I worked at there were four people on my shift alone who worked two jobs because they had children.

If it isn’t clear now why contra points making 200+ K a year is a problem. Then let me spell it out for you she was only able to attain that wealth by being a product of the leisure class to some extent. If you were legitimately poor and paying your own way in life you don’t have the time to start a business without years of saving in advance Meaning she had help, plain and simple. There are millions of people who can’t take a day off work have zero help and are totally fucked. The people who have children and are in that situation are basically doomed. So while I can assure you her bourgeoisie lifestyle is probably fabulous and doesn’t fuck over workers. The accumulation of that level of wealth is in fact immoral because while she’s buying $30,000 cars and shit she doesn’t need that money could go to helping a child through University or give them something decent to eat and I while their parents some quality time with their children and instead of working 80 hours. Because guess what the gig economy is not available to everyone. Although it is astounding prevalent amoung rich an middle class kids larping as socialists. Who have the time and money to spend hours an hours building a business. You need to pay your dues otherwise you shouldn’t be calling yourself a socialist. I think Peter Singer made a pretty good point as far as wealth and why it’s a problem and this thought experiment.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd4oHAwqq0A

>I don’t think she called herself a socialist

See

>>121410


 No.130099

>>130091

nice fucking moralizing lmao

do these liberals own the media servers and backbone connections that can distribute video to millions of people?


 No.130100

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>>130098

There is no such thing as a leisure class. Doctors, Actors, Celebrities, Talk Show Hosts, Writers, Engineers, General Managers and Oil Riggers that do not own the means of production are proletariat.


 No.130117

>>130100

technically she is a small business owner, especially if you count the people indirectly working for her via youtube


 No.130169

>>129866

>Reddit aren't watching these things because they like eye candy

Then the lo-fi production values at Roo et al are a feature and not a bug


 No.130172

>>130098

That all smacks of Stakhanovism to me, tbh.

You seem to be making a virtue out of a horrible necessity (working all the hours to feed your kids, with no time to do anything else.)

The "gig economy" refers to workers like Uber drivers. You can make ok money at these jobs, but only by working unsocial hours.

In theory it let's you do other things, which you can organise your working life around. In practise, it's difficult to do that, because of the pressure to be on the road enough to earn enough money.

I don't know if I should have described YouTube /Patreon as part of the "gig economy". It's different, in that you're not being offered a job of work which you either accept or decline.

>rich an middle class kids larping as socialists.

Do they do this? What for? If I was rich I wouldn't be larping as a socialist. I'd be

buying my way on to archaeological digs in the hope of finding idols of the old gods

Buying nice old style suits

Buying cigars and whisky

Visiting my friends who I haven't seen for ages, taking them to restaurants.


 No.130174

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>>130169

Then the lo-fi production values at Roo et al are a feature and not a bug.

Roo's heart is obv in the right place. I think the aesthetic is deliberate. It's like an old propaganda clips. If we had a communist dictator, Roo would look the part! Instead of giving commentary in the clips against a rickety-looking backdrop, he'd be out doing inspections like Kim Jong Un.


 No.130175

Proud Hon thinks he's the new Proudhon


 No.130178

Attila the Hon


 No.130179

>>130097

It doesn't matter. She will be cannibalized in year zero. Fair is fair.


 No.130180

>>130174

You call that lo-fi? I call it capitalist poopee!


 No.130181

>>129525

Contra is sane? Last time I checked chopping your dick….oh wait I forgot what board I was on.


 No.130183

It's all ecochamber shit

Like how most of us don't watch rightwing youtubers for having a different point of view or engaging with their ideas

The same goes for contrapoints ,no one but liberals and leftists watch her shit and it's not gonna do shit for changing or "converting" any significant amount of rightwingers

Contra is just providing entertainment and validation to her viewers nothing more

Same goes for every youtuber


 No.130185

>>130183

>Like how most of us don't watch rightwing youtubers for having a different point of view or engaging with their ideas

I don't know about that… I watch Richard Spencer videos sometimes. It's a load of crap and half truths, but you do have to be careful not to get sucked in. (The only one where he seemed to be rattled was the one he did after his wife had been speaking to the press.) It's like one of the prosecutors at the Nuremberg trials said about Herman Goering, every so often he catches your eye with a sardonic look and you almost get taken in for a split second. That's why I think it's good there's some youtubers like Ms. Wynn, to pull you back on the side of the angels. Her video on whether traps are gay or not got 1M views! Suppose she did one on the Labour Theory of Value. Very people will look for a video on that, but they'd watch it cos it's her and they subscribe.


 No.130210

>>130172

>im a uber driver

You just outed yourself as a normie in my book. Based on the fact that you a) have a car good enough for uber, b)got a loan for a car good enough for uber. I had to buy my care outright for 1.5k an its not good enough for uber. Leterally everyone i know who didn’t have a car given to them is in the same position

>everyone has to be poor

No, but theres no reason a childless single individual needs more then 50k a year

>Do they do this? What for? If I was rich I wouldn't be larping as a socialist.

Heard conformity. A lot of us have made up our minds from years of getting fucked and working long hours. We where here before 2011 and before 2008. No one sold us our ideas we came up with them ourselves and found like minded people threw marx.

Other people are just here because its a fashion statement. They want to establish themselves as a mascot of communist perfection which usually entails spending hundreds of dollars a graphic T-shirts ripped jeans and stylish combat boots. It’s not surprising to me because every unique subculture eventually gets corrupted by the average people. I guess we kind of saw that with hipsters except for whatever reason they also decided to adopt communism or socialism to enhance their image. If you ever go to rallies Or get to know these people in real life. You will see this for yourself it’s disgusting and some with hilarious at the same time.


 No.130219

>>130210

>No one sold us our ideas we came up with them ourselves and found like minded people threw marx

I don't believe you.

>They want to establish themselves as a mascot of communist perfection which usually entails spending hundreds of dollars a graphic T-shirts ripped jeans and stylish combat boots

I think you got your ideas from watching Paul Joseph Watson videos.


 No.130414

File: 45975a284ce8f0d⋯.png (235.95 KB, 600x317, 600:317, 368DB71F-DCBB-4085-8CE4-66….png)

>I don't believe you.

Holy fuck mate lol. If you honestly knew who you where talking to you would be pretty embarrassed. I’ll avoid telling you when i / why i became a comunist for my own sake because it will leterally sound like bragging to you and your hobbiest ass would not believe it.

>paul Joseph

Leterally who?

Seems we struck a nerve Projection much? Yes, believe it or not people are here for the right reasons an they have been here for 10, 20, sometimes 40 years. They reached there conclusions on there own. (Sometimes even in a vacuum) Before it go co opd by a bunch of fair weather rich college kids lowering marx to the level a fashion statement. Just because you may be a p-zombie hobbiest dont make the mistake of assuming everyone is as dishonest as you are. Holy fuuuck bro lol.


 No.130417

>her


 No.130426

>>130175

eh heh heh heh heh heh faget


 No.130428

>>130426

It's true though


 No.130437

>>130097

A lot of people on /leftpol/ are deluded if they think Contrapoints is any less liberal than whatever labor-fetishism binge they're on.


 No.130438

>>130169

>Reddit

That's a cop out, don't get blinded by your gatekeeping, try getting your friends and family members to watch any of these videos and see what they think.

The working class doesn't like dry substantive lectures, no matter how critical of importance they might be (have you ever switched the cafeteria TV to BBC Parliament during a lunch break at work?) , you need to give them a spectacle and preferably a song and dance too like that Oliver North skit out of American Dad for anybody to give just a little bit of a shit. A mass movement needs mass not a tiny bowel movement of elitest image board snobs.


 No.130439

File: 3d38318bf37f581⋯.jpg (49.71 KB, 960x540, 16:9, tumblr_oamncaayE01usg7c8o2….jpg)

>>130438

I can't watch roo with a straight face.


 No.130441

>>130117

>she is a small business owner, especially if you count the people indirectly working for her via youtube

That's silly, they all work for YouTube, Contra included, YouTube generates profits off all their labour. It's like saying the HR department in a business works for the janitors in the company because the janitors don't do their own staff payroll and accounting.

The only major substantial improvement that YouTube content creators have over regular proles are that they technically retain the commodity that they produce but it's a matter of coercion in that media aggregators like YouTube offer the same situation most workers have ie work or starve.


 No.130442

>>130183

>The same goes for contrapoints

Have you even watched her videos? She literally watches and dissects popular right wingers, that's her thing, it didn't matter that she was a tranny (it's ancillary to the point that she's the right wing bogeyman personified), it's that she would go after people like the Golden One and Ben Shapiro whilst other leftist youtubers avoided confrontation unless it was getting ambushed in stupid worthless debates ie where the right would say one line of bullshit that takes several paragraphs of researched material to debunk.

The only echochamber element that I dislike about them that is an actual thing is their optimism, they are small fry in the sea of right wing ideology that pervades YouTube but they feel so self congratulatory at the end of their videos like they're the Power Rangers who've saved the day when it reality the war still wages and we're still losing on the defensive.


 No.130444

>>130442

Let her try to dissect a Pol Potist. She will get thrown into a meat grinder and fed to jewish bankers as slop in the killing fields


 No.130445

>>130442

The contrapoints argument: X says Y. Y has been used more broadly than how X sees it. Y has been used differently in the past than X uses it now; ergo, Y isn't real. That's all there's to it, she's a formulaic as Ben Shapiro.

>it's that she would go after people like the Golden One and Ben Shapiro whilst other leftist youtubers avoided confrontation unless it was getting ambushed in stupid worthless debates ie where the right would say one line of bullshit that takes several paragraphs of researched material to debunk.

Such peaceful times we live in, that a video of a girl playing dress up and saying someone else's video is dumb is talked about like a bloody gang vendetta.


 No.130485

>>130414

>If you honestly knew who you where talking to you would be pretty embarrassed

Jimmy Hoffa?


 No.130489

>>130445

women's place is not in the realm of politics its to formulate the highest possibility of the state.


 No.130491

>>130441

I dunno about you but I don't ask for Patreon donations so I can buy clothes and fakeup to mask my bulge and five o clock shadow.>>130444

and "furher" more like I said, she isn't hitting the extremists like me and wouldn't dare to, because when you have nothing to lose, who the fuck cares then?


 No.130492

>>130442

>it's ancillary to the point that she's the right wing bogeyman personified

Please explain how opposing a cult of cosplayers who are trying to force other people into their bed is "right wing".


 No.130516

>>121407

I post this kind of "reactionary" shit on /leftypol/ and I somehow get banned.

Honestly, she has little support of economic leftism as she is a social liberal.

Her comments regarding economics appear to be quite rare.


 No.130517

File: ac8466304b96938⋯.png (170.94 KB, 569x342, 569:342, stud.png)

>>121407

No, he looks like a hardcore tankie. Definitely.


 No.130520

File: 091b585c1c72846⋯.mp4 (1.67 MB, 640x360, 16:9, she.mp4)


 No.130523

>>130516

leftypol is reddit sjw territory now


 No.130530

>>130523

We have a winrar


 No.130619

>>130441

>media aggregators like YouTube offer the same situation most workers have ie work or starve.

Indeed, workers, whatever they do, have to get on with it otherwise they starve .

>>130491

>I dunno about you but I don't ask for Patreon donations so I can buy clothes and fakeup to mask my bulge and five o clock shadow.

Without producing something that people want,presumably no-one would give you any donations.

A lot of people's jobs involves some hustle.

I used to work with someone who was a professional beggar. His best "customers" (his word) were kind hearted rich ladies in West London. What was he selling? Good feelings about themselves for giving money.(He said one Christmas he got a bonus, a ride in a Lambourgini.)

If you don't like the idea of giving money to Contra don't watch her videos. Block your ears to the siren call.

Is Contra doing better than most of us? Maybe, but we're all in the food chain somewhere.

"Where does one draw the line between predation and cost efficiency? Where do we draw the line in the gradient of overall human exploitation in the capitalist machine? Because it is just that, a gradient, or matter of degree. For example, I am a low budget independent film maker, and I have to find people to do things cheaper than industry standard. I have no choice if I expect to produce quality that will draw income in the end. This means as a systemic result those who I can afford to hire are often young, or starting out, or in a deprived condition whereby they can't demand as much money for their services. Now, do I like doing this? No. But I have no choice in the market game, and neither do you, when it comes down to it. Each one of us, every moment of our lives, is engaging in some form of cost efficiency or saving to try and secure our futures, and that inevitably leads to some form of taking advantage of other people's circumstances. Whether we intend it or not, and the solution to it certainly isn't to pretend that some form of human exploitation for another's gain is fine, while some forms are not. That would be a matter of degree fallacy or continuum fallacy. And the way folks intuitively combat that is to fall back on morality. They may say well it's okay for a poor person with $100,000 in student loan debt to work as a janitor in a coffee shop due to that pressure, while it's not okay for a poor person to work for 6¢ an hour in a sweatshop in Asia. "

https://youtu.be/0j0ySHVs8ZI 17min


 No.131165

>>130414

>Holy fuck mate lol. If you honestly knew who you where talking to you would be pretty embarrassed

Will Menaker?

Bernie Sanders?


 No.131221

>>130530

10,000 internets


 No.131876

Contrapoints reviewed in a larger article on the far right:

"What I like about Wynn is her deflation of such pied pipers is never delivered with any kind of self-righteousness or superiority, of the sort that might easily turn off potential converts. Wynn does not DESTROY her adversaries, as sawn-off little charlatans like Ben Shapiro presume to treat their enemies. Wynn’s videos feel instead empathetic, seeking to understand first why someone might be susceptible to far-right messaging, before providing a far more reliable set of facts to consider."

https://sullyville.substack.com/p/pigs-a-million-different-ones


 No.131984

>>130489

without women involved in politics, we wouldn't have half the problems we have now. idpol multiplied tenfold since they were allowed democratic representation.


 No.132068

Contra now in Vice News. Whatever could be said about Vice News, it does reach a lot of people.

Few people on /leftpol/ will be surprised to read of the far right's " phobias" and "puritanism".

How often has the term "fun" been bandied about by our far right visitors?

"On her YouTube channel, Contrapoints, Wynn tries to reframe the debate around issues like free speech, the alt-right, incels, and transgender pronouns in a way that "makes [the far right] reveal their puritanism and their phobias, and has me as the, like, libertine."

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/qvym73/meet-the-youtube-star-whos-de-radicalizing-young-right-wing-men?utm_source=vicetwitterus


 No.132070

^snared by the word filter! For 'fun" in the above read something that rhymes with regeneracy but with a letter' d'


 No.132090

>>132068

I don't pay attention to it. real revolutionaries don't reach the media.


 No.132105

>>132090

>I don't pay attention to it. real revolutionaries don't reach the media.

I don't know about that . A more sympathetic write up of Rojava appeared in the fuckin eff tee than was allowed on /leftypol/ anyway ,going by the accounts of disgruntled ex-leftypolers.

https://amp.ft.com/content/50102294-77fd-11e5-a95a-27d368e1ddf7 (click on this on a mobile phone you hit a pay wall, clicking desktop site goes around it.)


 No.132322

She seems to me like a western marxist of sorts really.


 No.132350

Shes just trans john oliver

the left has no sense of humor and lacks originally .

Not surprising since they went from defending any forms of expression to advocating for censorship of right wing youtubers because they easily gained the system. When your rhetoric is to educate the public you loss.

You point the problem and say you can fix it

I think thats why Bernie is so appealing


 No.132375

>>132105

I'm not sympathetic to Rojava.


 No.132377

>>132322

Tbqh this country kind of doesn't deserve good content. People don't wanna sub to me because I go far into the rabbit hole and that actually frightens western marxists.


 No.132381

>>132350

Everywhere right wingers were censored were on private platforms. I thought you loved private property? Shouldn’t corporations be free to censor how they see fit to preserve their profits?


 No.132383

>>132377

Maybe i used a miscategorization, but by "kind of a western marxist" i meant a marxist in the same vein of frankfurt school or the situationists.


 No.132384

>>132350

Give me one evidence of a youtuber such as Contra advocating for censorship


 No.132386

>>121458

She said that she even teached academically in her video called why i quit academia and it looks as if you just have a childish prejudice and id even say that you are the illiterate bafoon, since you are not interested in disproving her in any rigorous manner, but using an explicitly disrespectful categorization in order to refute her through humiliation, which is what illiterate bafoon do.


 No.132388

>>132386

And this goes at to everyone like this, yall are all just dunnung-kruger clowns with one dimensional views. It is completely acceptable to disagree with someone, if you actually do it systematically and not because of some stupid shit like straw manning or prejudices.


 No.132399

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>>132381

this is such a brainlet strawman

congratulations you get dumb bitch of the year award

>>132384

her just memes tweet sparked her soon to be downfall of spawning more extremely online groups bcuz of the many ppl who fellow her are also in adjacent fringe groups advocating for some lets player on youtube to check his fans because some sperg went crazy. Also funny seeing no tweet on foreign policy killing more muslims then some sperg or no tweets supporting ilhan omar criticizing the very system the justifies it. Gotta dunk on whitey and get shilled from Vice while kissing e ass.


 No.132421

>>132399

Fucking learn how to write and read i asked you for evidence not for your lunatic ranting


 No.132634

File: 2c5101f5fbabf88⋯.jpg (36.1 KB, 381x453, 127:151, D144LxFW0AEK8Tf.jpg)

>>132421

aight first of all my prose is beautifully autistic

Second while there is no explicit calls for censorship her priorities after a terrorist attack was to say yeah people who use these memes are racist or use it to hide it. Which you see her retarded followers making arguments for censorship but uuuuuuuuuuuuuh lets keep supporting this mentally ill narcissist by donating and calling her "MOMMY" lmao


 No.132697

>>132634

Show me exactly were she said or supposedly meant that and ill show you how it is probably a missrepresentation


 No.132698

>>132399

>this is such a brainlet strawman congratulations you get dumb bitch of the year award

Do you think the people who own social media platforms should be allowed to do what they want with their private property or not?

Or should you be able to veto them wheever they do something with their private property that effects you?


 No.132714

File: 8638848756eed4e⋯.jpg (35.1 KB, 720x439, 720:439, worst.jpg)

>watch video on capitalism

>pretty much boils down to being cheap when buying shoes and a mentality of "hey things are bad now but we can't really do anything about it so let's just vote democrat"

if i was more paranoid i'd call it controlled opposition


 No.132861

File: 1e61f04187936c5⋯.jpg (15.98 KB, 480x360, 4:3, agd.jpg)

>>132698

this is how you sound posting this unironically


 No.132911

>>132861

If that’s the case it should be easy to answer my question. Are these social media platforms private property and if so shouldn’t Zuckerberg et al be allowed to do maximize profit how they see fit. Such as censoring Nazis?


 No.132944

I'm pretty new, can someone tell me the difference between leftpol and leftypol ideology-wise?


 No.132982

File: 3c143784a1cc65b⋯.png (882.04 KB, 717x1074, 239:358, thought police.png)

>>132944

>/leftypol/

Board owner went insane during Trump's military support of an ultra-left communalist federation in northern Syria, banned everyone who supported it (mostly anarchists) for "imperialism", was mocked in response, causing BO to ban for even more trivial "offenses". Eventually drove out most of the board, allowing an influx of SJWs (mostly MLs) from Reddit/Twitter/FB/Tumblr which have created an atmosphere of acceptance for even harsher moderation.

>/leftpol/

Created by (mostly anarchist) exodus from /leftypol/, lightly moderated.

Aside from the /leftypol/-/leftpol/ split, two major external event at around that time contributed to the crisis.

One was the state of 8chan's biggest board, /pol/. For months up until and slightly after the split, /pol/'s BO was misbehaving in a similar overmoderation way to how /leftypol/'s BO does, but far worse, and as such /pol/ was rapidly losing users. Breaking precedent, instead of allowing /pol/ to naturally die or be replaced by splinter boards, the global operators of 8chan itself intervened to remove /pol/'s abusive BO and replace him.

The other was the state of Reddit. First, while "leftist" subreddits had been extremely SJW for years, there was a massive purge of remaining non-SJWs by the "SRS" mod cabal shortly before /leftypol/'s BO went insane. Second, soon after the split, Reddit itself launched (yet another) massive wave of subreddit shutdowns that just so happened to wipe out any left subreddit not wholly controlled by SRS.

All of this combined has had the net effect of greatly decreasing the size, activity, and quality of leftism on 8chan.


 No.134815

File: f1a26c2f394ffc2⋯.jpeg (201.91 KB, 1082x1082, 1:1, D2nFvSKW0AEDf6c.jpeg)

She's got a new video out this week!

https://twitter.com/ContraPoints/status/1110636208261132295?s=20

I wonder what it's going to be about…


 No.134823

File: 2d6cfb052672e00⋯.jpg (53.46 KB, 307x409, 307:409, 2d6cfb052672e0056a4006070f….jpg)

>>132982

>SDF

>Ultra Left


 No.134869

>>134815

Suicide instructions for its fanbase. Perhaps reciting a treatise on the reactionary nightmare of gender fluidity. Or more likely: worthless cancer.


 No.135135

>>134869

>Suicide instructions for its fanbase. Perhaps reciting a treatise on the reactionary nightmare of gender fluidity. Or more likely: worthless cancer

Why do you have to be so mean, anon?

I've ust hit a lull on the Saturday night food delivery circuit. Mega busy till now. It should start getting busy again 11PM ish - midnight..

Time for a coffee and look at Ms. Contra "s patron, see if there's any bonus patron content.

It's just me, her, and the moonlight <3 <3


 No.135144


 No.135179

>>121407

If we want to progress as a board, we need to cure our addiction of e-celeb drama.

You are not better than your yellow press addicted grandma, who adores the British royal family and reads up every detail of their lavish life, despite not living in a country that has actually the British queen as the head of state.


 No.135191

>>134869

>Perhaps reciting a treatise on the reactionary nightmare of gender fluidity.

SPOILER ALERT

She recites a reactionary treatise on the nightmare of gender fluidity, but it's by Germaine Greet, and she's against it. Close but no (e-)cigar.

https://youtu.be/1pTPuoGjQsI

>>135144

>135135 (You)

>her

Well she looks female to me.

The costumes in the new video are a bit distracting.The new character, the evil TERF, is explaining metaphysical objections to trans women. Tbh I was just thinking ""C" cup?“

>>135179

>If we want to progress as a board, we need to cure our addiction of e-celeb drama.

Yes we're not kiwi farms. It's pointless to say did someone once say or do something we can have a pop at them for.

What are we? Potentially a source of " dual power", just like right wingers have /pol/

. This video is good on this, from about 18:30 https://youtu.be/aqRCSzUTGcM


 No.135197

>>135191

>Well she looks female to me.

No he doesn’t. Even with all the lighting and makeup he looks like a dude to even a layman. This guy has the build of an athlete, ironically probably among the more masculine men to be born and therefore never be a covvincing woman.

I feel like all this pretending these transsexuals are attractive is low key man hating. Like if it’s memed hard enough men will actually find thes transsexuals as attractive as real women, and man hating feminists can finally get men to direct their sexual energy elsewhere.


 No.135201

File: d81c26b516c15c4⋯.jpg (23.84 KB, 226x269, 226:269, IMG_20190331_114558.jpg)

>>135197

>he looks like a dude to even a layman.

I posted she looks female to me.

That is a layman's view. It's not in itself a political argument.

Like if it’s memed hard enough men will actually find thes transsexuals as attractive as real women, and man hating feminists can finally get men to direct their sexual energy elsewhere

Men hating feminists trying to direct men's sexual attention on to trans women?

Have you been smoking puff?

A feminist Guardian journalist called Suzanne Moore was heavily criticised for complaining that women were being expected to have the idealised body shape of Brazilian transsexuals.

pic : Sarah Helen, Brazilian porn actress. If you wouldn't take her on a date fair enough but I would.


 No.135263

>>135201

>I posted she looks female to me. That is a layman's view. It's not in itself a political argument.

No it’s not since you clearly have been advocating that transsexual men are interchangeable with real women with regards to male sexual attractiveness.

>>Men hating feminists trying to direct men's sexual attention on to trans women?

>Have you been smoking puff?

Yes

>A feminist Guardian journalist called Suzanne Moore was heavily criticised for complaining that women were being expected to have the idealised body shape of Brazilian transsexuals.

>transsexuals that go to extreme lengths to make themselves appear like idealized women mean that men really are attracted to transsexuals.

LMAO, no idiot, it’s just some men can’t tell the difference and a small fraction of transsexuals can pretty closely pass as women, but they are the expedition that proves the rule.

And women complaining that men are prettier than them is really indicative of how perverse gender relations have been made by third wave feminism. Women used to appear pretty for men. This simple act of courtship and empathy for the opposite sex has been twisted into patriarchal oppression in the minds of many women to the point where they view any consideration to men as tantamount to oppression.

It’s gotten so bad that a man can simply apply lipstick and a boob job and appear more feminine than most women.


 No.135268

>>135263

>you clearly have been advocating that transsexual men are interchangeable with real women with regards to male sexual attractiveness

It just depends. But let's apply the litmus test. Who would you rather fuck, Ms. pic related above Sarah Helen, or nasty Germaine Greer? (I'm not going to attach a picture, you can google search.)

<Have you been smoking puff?

>Yes

One of those unnatural Xtra strong mutant strains no doubt.

Oh well, have a nice night.


 No.135270

>>135201

>Like if it’s memed hard enough men will actually find thes transsexuals as attractive as real women

This is what social constructionist retards actually believe.


 No.135280

>>135268

>One of those unnatural Xtra strong mutant strains no doubt.

I meant yes feminists hate men, view all sex under the so called patriarchy we're all under as some degree of rape, even when consensual, and have been advocating that men view transsexual men as interchangeable with real women when it comes to sexual partners. And have been calling any man that balks at this a misogynist. And no, this isn't just some right wing paranoid conspiracy.


 No.135287

>>135263

Capitalist influence over human diets and recreation is more to blame for this than feminism. A non-trival percentage of the population (of both sexes) have been transformed into unappealing mobile lumps by the promotion of sedentary lifestyles, high calorie processed food and motorized transport.


 No.137215

>>121407

>I asked this over at /leftypol/ and didnt get anything.

leftpol isn't your cum rag. Fuck off back to that cesspool known as leftypol.


 No.137223

>>137215

>Fuck off

>let me put your thread back on the front page after 10 days since last post.


 No.138804

HAPAS ARE SUPERIOR TO WHITES


 No.138969

HAPAS ARE SUPERIOR TO WHITES


 No.139164

HAPAS ARE SUPERIOR TO WHITES


 No.139692

HAPAS ARE SUPERIOR TO WHITES


 No.139714

HAPAS ARE SUPERIOR TO WHITES




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