[ / / / / / / / / / / / / / ] [ dir / b2 / choroy / dempart / klpmm / pdfs / randamu / veganism / vichan ]

/leftpol/ - Left Politics

Winner of the 80rd Attention-Hungry Games
/otter/ - Otter For Your Soul

May 2019 - 8chan Transparency Report
Comment *
Password (Randomized for file and post deletion; you may also set your own.)
* = required field[▶ Show post options & limits]
Confused? See the FAQ.
Show oekaki applet
(replaces files and can be used instead)

Allowed file types:jpg, jpeg, gif, png, webm, mp4, pdf
Max filesize is 16 MB.
Max image dimensions are 15000 x 15000.
You may upload 5 per post.

File: 6914cccad2a4c83⋯.jpg (274.2 KB, 500x793, 500:793, bba0809ec89aa3c529026eeaea….jpg)


I started reading Thomas More's Utopia recently and was wondering if we could get a thread going about left wing literature. Anyone else read this and have thoughts on the book? Can it be considered proto-socialist?


File: f4d93c1c04b1d86⋯.jpg (43.03 KB, 328x499, 328:499, 51K9D39XtzL__SX326_BO1,204….jpg)

File: 7c159096b4213a0⋯.pdf (747.63 KB, The_Sheep_Look_Up-_John_Br….pdf)

The Sheep Look Up

by John Brunner


Daemon by Daniel Suarez and it's sequel is a great techno-thriller that basically describes the emergence of anarcho transhumanism from modern day society. It's pretty good.


File: 47d1131057a340e⋯.pdf (6.86 MB, philosophy-of-the-encounte….pdf)

The Philosophy of the Encounter by Althusser

Ideology and State ideological Apparatuses by Althusser



File: 00ca8233b35c36c⋯.pdf (5.3 MB, __Debt__The_First_5_000_Ye….pdf)


The book is actually a very good overview of the development of money, markets, and capitalism through its examination of the history of debt. In particular it dispels many myths about the development of states and capitalism, and reveals the role of the state in their creation. All this, as well as a thorough examination of the logic of debt. there's very little moralizing that I think most of his critics accuse him of. People should read it for themselves and make their own decision though.


File: 25692b6f6538f64⋯.pdf (1016.06 KB, from bakunin to lacan.pdf)

From Bakunin to Lacan: On the Dislocation of Power

A great book on how power operates, although I think it is too quick in dismissing some marxist thinkers. If you are an anarchist, definitely check it out, although I think there's a lot regular socialists can get out of its theory, if not its conclusions.


File: 6224c57ffbb6e00⋯.pdf (9.33 MB, ErichFromm_TheArtOfLoving_….pdf)

Kill All Normies by Angela Nagle


Besides all the case studies it provides, I think she does a good job of proving the relation of sexual frustration to the rise of the alt right. Something that I think Erich Fromm predicted in the art of loving when he described how the desire for love, not being met in the particular, can lead to a desire for abstract love in the form of nationalism. that book is here as a PDF

a comrade wrote a bit about that here: http://spectrerouge.com/index.php/2017/10/11/revolt-of-the-lonely-masses/


File: 10ddcdc45b43f78⋯.jpg (39.6 KB, 461x395, 461:395, mad marx.jpg)

I'm reading Capital, Vol. I.

I'm still in the early part, where he's talking about what exactly commodities, value, and money are. I can't tell whether I'm missing half of the point, or whether Marx is just repeating himself constantly to make his point clear. He'll establish something, then talk about it in a different way, and sometimes I can't tell if he's just restating the facts or giving me new information. This was hardest to tell in the section on the equivalent form of value.

Am I retarded, or just overthinking it?



>Am I retarded, or just overthinking it?

Niether, the first Section, and maybe even the 2nd section, are really goddamn dry and esoteric. Its get's better though, I'm a little over halfway through it right now and it just gets progressively better and more tangible.

I think the big issue with the beginning is just how abstract some of those concepts are, when you really think about them. Value, I mean. Kind of abstract or arbitrary.



value form is one of his worst ideas in capital, each chapter gets better and the last chapters are the best.


File: 52455daf21c6abb⋯.jpg (201 KB, 610x900, 61:90, large_b76939aecc4d04272017….jpg)

I've been reading this book. I'm on chapter 4.



I don't mind dry and esoteric, I just want to know whether I'm missing anything. Do you have to read it extremely closely to understand him, or is he really just restating things a lot?


I think the value-form is actually kind of interesting, because you can really see how it's a dialectical model, i.e., relative and equivalent value being united opposites, etc. But hey, if it gets better as it goes, that's great.



yeah, that's what I don't like it. too hegelian.


File: 9eec418faa5eb59⋯.jpg (21.29 KB, 252x255, 84:85, 1464893837905.jpg)


>too hegelian

Why are you reading Marx, then? He's Hegelian as fuck.


File: c57cf6dddc2ad50⋯.jpg (29.55 KB, 267x377, 267:377, althussssssssssssssssssser.jpg)


For the materialism my friend.



On the topic of the windpipe crusher extraordinaire: what's a good starting point or overview of his work?

Texts are appreciated, of course, but I'll take plain recommendations just as eagerly.




I had to read Bloodlands for a college course on Stalinism. It's not a good book but the author's conclusions are more complicated than just "Stalin and Hitler are the same." Infact my professor argued that most of Stalin's crimes cannot be considered unique to communism and have parallels in the history of capitalism in the west.


File: c83f47cace84427⋯.pdf (8.49 MB, Fascism and Big Business.pdf)

Fascism and Big Business by Daniel Guérin


File: d362aae75741eeb⋯.pdf (6.85 MB, televisionaries.pdf)

File: 6b7c903a9dddd43⋯.jpg (38.43 KB, 318x499, 318:499, 519SjfX1oDL__SX316_BO1,204….jpg)

Televisionaries: The Red Army Faction Story, 1963-1993

by Tom Vague

Does anyone have Baader-Meinhof by Stefan Aust or Jackal by John Follain?



someone has a digital copy of the english translation of the communist manifesto?




Be warned though, the Manifesto is shit.




im in it more for curiosity and historical sake than to be enlightened anyway


Also, here's a good list of most of Marx's important works, in portable formats, from marxists.org:




I was planning to read it soon, what's shit about it? That it's not in-depth enough?



It's not very in-depth, it has a very scant historical foundation, and it doesn't delve into philosophy at all. It's mostly just a set of policy positions. None of these are really damning of the Manifesto itself, since it was written to address an audience of laymen during a tumultuous time, and to propose an immediate and practical program. My point is simply that it isn't particularly relevant or useful as a theoretical text, nor as an introduction to socialism for modern readers. It contains nothing that isn't more refined or better explained in Capital.

I won't discourage anyone from reading it, but know what it is going in. Read it once for the sake of historical curiosity, and then move on to Marx's other work.



"There's a spectre haunting Europe" sentence gives me a hard-on, though.



It's a good line. It's also got, "The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggle." Even Marx's less important works usually have a couple zingers.



Yeah, I see. Would've hoped that it also delved a bit into theory, but I'm still interested for the historical context and it's super short anyway. So is there a text (by Marx himself or someone else) that you would personally recommend as a good explanation/oversight of his philosophy and that's preferably shorter than Capital?


File: e399ce43e54a723⋯.jpg (157.89 KB, 907x286, 907:286, capital citation.jpg)


I disagree, the simple idea that capitalism, by creating the proletariat, created the social force for its own destruction, was an important one, and marx would go on to cite this in his later works, even Capital.



what the hell is wrong about towards a new socialism, besides the obvious stuff in the first chapter?



Critique of the Gotha Program, or 18th Brumaire of Louis Napoleon. Both are addressing specific events of his time. The first is a critique of the party platform of Germany's Social Democratic party, and the second is basically shitting on Louis Napoleon and his self-coup and subsequent government.

There's also The Civil War in France, where Marx discusses the Paris Commune.


>marx would go on to cite this in his later works, even Capital.

If you only have time to read a short pamphlet like the Manifesto, then fine. Capital also establishes the idea of capitalism's contradictions causing its inevitable end, and does it more thoroughly.



I think the Grundrisse is a little shorter than Capital. But you really should read Capital.



These sound interesting, thanks!


I want to, i would just like to start with some shorter texts to get a taste of his way of thinking and writing



Gundrisse is still ridiculously long. If you want something short and sweet do actually read the manifesto, Wage Labor and Capital, as well as Value Price and Profit.



You're welcome. I like Marx when he gets cheeky. Like this footnote in Capital that I read yesterday:

>The learned Professor Roscher, after first informing us that 'the false definitions of money may be divided into two main groups: those which make it more, and those which make it less, than a commodity', gives us a motley catalogue of works on the nature of money, which does not provide even the glimmer of an insight into the real history of the theory. He then draws this moral: 'For the rest, it is not to be denied that most of the later economists do not bear sufficiently in mind the peculiarities that distinguish money from other commodities' (it is then, after all, either more or less than a commodity!)… 'So far, the semi-mercantilist reaction of Ganilh is not altogether without foundation' (Wilhelm Roscher, Die Grundlagen der Nationalökonomie, 3rd edn, 1858, pp. 207-10). More! Less! Not sufficiently! So far! Not altogether! What a way of determining one's concepts! And this eclectic professorial twaddle is modestly baptized by Herr Roscher 'the anatomico-physiological method' of political economy! However, he does deserve credit for one discovery, namely, that money is 'a pleasant commodity'.


anyone got stuff that attacks modern mainstream conservatives?


File: eb9bb613400c326⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 2.71 MB, 3000x450, 20:3, 1a64f2c2bbe73b95345ffc8b8a….png)




>Since capitalism will not be overthrown soon, it is in my self interest to accumulate as much wealth and property as I can in order to live a comfortable life



>2.71 MB

i'll leave my laptop on while sleeping and maybe it will be open in the morning


File: e7fbd4bc8c599bb⋯.jpg (30.06 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, el Risitas.jpg)

>Thomas More

>Left Wing




Pretty nonsensical to classify a medieval writer as left - or right wing but he was one of the first to formulate a vision for an idealist socialist society



>Thomas More

>1478 - 1535




I don't know, capitalism isn't really in a great place right now, politically or economically.



So this book was written and bound by hand I take it?

Was it expensive?

How many are there


File: a84adac1615dce9⋯.png (324.07 KB, 656x572, 164:143, JOHJ.png)


Excuse me?


File: f3c59a4026b0c62⋯.jpg (469.92 KB, 1200x1252, 300:313, 1500576550523 (1).jpg)

File: e8a7686541a5246⋯.jpg (1.28 MB, 2016x2880, 7:10, 1500576656870.jpg)

File: d2a0a3d33ea2d56⋯.png (616.01 KB, 1088x735, 1088:735, 1508543067612.png)

File: eb6f1b18f034006⋯.png (1.29 MB, 1109x1556, 1109:1556, 0fd54cef4095b24a4b853afd3a….png)

File: 16839d4b9f5064f⋯.jpg (1.1 MB, 1975x2229, 1975:2229, 1500481909140.jpg)



>second pic

The Grapes of Wrath is good. Also, need to add Red Mars.


File: 690612964f43cba⋯.png (2.88 MB, 2392x3348, 598:837, 887fcce884bf9477622e7f5aa5….png)

File: b2645571fd4c4b2⋯.png (3.99 MB, 2248x3442, 1124:1721, b2645571fd4c4b2905477ab6ce….png)


i think we need more leftist reading list like these tbh, i havent read that much so cant really make one

the right got a lot more than we do



>lord of the rings at the highest tier

They really are disconnected from reality lmao. It's not like they even read all this anyway.



>Recommending Marx and Adorno.

I don't get it.

>Recommending The Lord of the Rings.

I thought the orc thing was just a meme. I didn't know they actually took it as a legitimate metaphor. Don't get me wrong, Tolkien's work is generally conservative, but it's far from being supportive of fascism.



I have some old /leftypol/ reading lists on my laptop at home. I'll post them after work.




Ahahahhah. Absolutely no one on /pol/ has read one volume of Capital, especially whoever made that infographic



>the right got a lot more than we do

Too bad whatever infographs /pol/lacks shit out are always fucking shit. Even what you posted shows whoever made this hasn't actually read his own recommendations and just made a list of well-known books, with tier 1 being a memecore barely expanding your actual political horizon, tier 2 being mostly irrelevant in this day and age(seriously, who cares about Saint Augustine?) and tier 3 being just the most famous continental philosophy works despite the fact barely any of them fall under the category of political philosophy.

Also, we do have reading lists on leftybooru



File: 23e11ec0d6be889⋯.jpg (260.62 KB, 1200x1173, 400:391, mir_1200x1173.jpg)

does anyone have any recommendations for the soviet side of the space race?


File: 69fc9003a109ccc⋯.jpg (898.87 KB, 1913x2880, 1913:2880, IMG_20180120_212413.jpg)


Lads, after I finish Capital, Volume I, should I go on to read Volumes II and III? I feel like nobody ever reads those, for some reason.


What's some good books on the Yugoslavian SFR, specifically under Tito? I'm also interested in stuff on the wars of the 90s.


File: 6f085dc0ddd43ab⋯.pdf (1.04 MB, 3295358-walter-rodney.pdf)

File: c2faec4287e2b65⋯.jpeg (10.21 KB, 182x277, 182:277, download.jpeg)

currently reading, posting here if any other anons are interested



Cool, I was actually looking to read a book on colonialism


Anyone have recommendations for books on the history of Chartism? I just finished Rocker's Anarcho-Syndicalism and thought the bits on it were particularly interesting

>babbies first theory


File: 8e80b244e8eb2b2⋯.jpg (324.49 KB, 1400x2100, 2:3, 81HiLi7irkL.jpg)

What technically-not-leftist-theory book(s) would you recommend? Pic related


File: 7570af91b11fb2a⋯.pdf (681.81 KB, City-Clifford_D._Simak.pdf)

File: 07ccdb97a00af02⋯.jpg (40.99 KB, 328x499, 328:499, 51fEKUTaiBL__SX326_BO1,204….jpg)



by Clifford D. Simak

Science fiction written in response to the horrors of WWII. Talking dogs.



Haven’t read ’em personally but every serious Marxist will tell you that Volume II and III are must-reads


File: 669b20db3cafac5⋯.pdf (2.7 MB, TheGeographyOfNowherePDF.pdf)

Just finished reading. Gotta say it’s pretty good.



Any anons have any advice on tackling the difficulty of a lot of these books? Maybe I'm just an idiot or my attention span is fucked by years of internet use but I find a lot of theoretical/philosophical books completely impenetrable.



Go slow, take notes, write summaries for yourself and keep a theory notebook



Like >>17829 said, take notes, especially on things that you don't understand, and copy those passages.



Begin by reading the simplest mainstream works on a subject. It’s impossible to understand the more complicated theory without understanding the foundations it’s built on. Read slowly and always think about what you read and what it means. Only after that can you jump into more complicated works. And if you’re still stuck, try starting a reading group session so you have a group that can help each other and fill in what you don’t understand.


Should the Geography of Nowhere be considerd to be Proto-Comunalism?



Europeans made Africa civilized.


File: 47abee16c61b6ba⋯.png (312.27 KB, 449x401, 449:401, 10e3ba5bd3ea6d8190ad8a2b4e….png)


How many slaves was it per household again?



>Saging a sticky.

What did he mean by this?



>They stickied a pro-slavery book

The absolute state of this board. Im going back to leftypol






It says in the book that merchants can take starving people from 3rd world countries and sell them as slaves in utopia, because hey man, thats gonna be like, so much better life for the slave! Straight quote from the book:

> the slaves among them are only such as are condemned to that state of life for the commission of some crime, or, which is more common, such as their merchants find condemned to die in those parts to which they trade, whom they sometimes redeem at low rates, and in other places have them for nothing. They are kept at perpetual labour, and are always chained, but with this difference, that their own natives are treated much worse than others: they are considered as more profligate than the rest, and since they could not be restrained by the advantages of so excellent an education, are judged worthy of harder usage.



Oh it continues:

>Another sort of slaves are the poor of the neighbouring countries, who offer of their own accord to come and serve them: they treat these better, and use them in all other respects as well as their own countrymen, except their imposing more labour upon them, which is no hard task to those that have been accustomed to it




The book was written in 1516, Give it a break. A lot of it’s shity, but it’s important to read to understand socialism.




Sounds problematic.



>ctrl+f City of the Sun

>no matches

a pretty utopian urban commune, I like the encyclopedic and war games aspects mostly




Utopia by definition cannot exist, seeking to immitate it is retarded


Motherfucker- you are a potato fascist. Fucking Utopia…. Read the fucking book for once. Functionally illiterate suburban children.



Clearly no one else has read the book. Perhaps you could start a discussion about why it doesn't belong here.


Not leftist, but thoughts on The Prince by Macchiavelli? I haven't read it, but think I want to since I find the idea of Realpolitik interesting



IMO he's probably the most important pre-Marxian political thinkers. When interpreting his work it's important to remember the context he was writing in, facing arrest and torture by the authorities, but if you read between the lines what he really argues is that feudal/capitalist states are inevitably unstable and will collapse, which is really a left-wing idea. That being said his work, like Marx's, can also be used as something of a manual for how to hold onto power, which is why Machiavelli is popular with centrists and right-wingers



Machiavelli is kinda essential only because of how influential he was, even though most people who read/reference him didn't get the joke



The Chief Designer was a pretty good short story.


File: 8a287725a492969⋯.jpg (69.58 KB, 333x500, 333:500, MarxBeyondMarx.jpg)

The g r a p h i c s comrades. Some left groups have some shit graphics, this was printed in the 90's.

Anyone read this? Might have to.



Word salad.



I have a friend who never paid attention in school and now is trying to improve himself by reading popsci and self-help bullshit.

Does anyone have recommendations on extremely easy to read leftist literature?



>self-help bullshit

Smile or Die by Barbara Ehrenreich, solid left critique of positive thinking and how it's basically the ideological basis of modern society. Lost your job? Have cancer? It's all clearly your fault for not subscribing to a mindlessly optimistic view of the world. It's unsurprisingly hard to find in stores, gotta have room for the self-help, but she's on youtube talking about it






>Does anyone have recommendations on extremely easy to read leftist literature?

The Ragged-Trousered Philanthropists.


Gonna crack into this tonight.


By the way, is anyone interested in doing a book club and having monthly discussions?



I would appreciate this and even more if the first discussions would be about some of the most essential works by Marx, Engels and Lenin. I'm just getting into leftism and want to read what they wrote to get a better understanding of it, but there's just so much that I could use some motivation to get started for real.


I keep seeing people talk about how 3rd world immigration to the West is actually a liberal scheme to bring down wages in the immigrants' country of origin, any recommended reading on this that explains it in an easy to understand way?



It's simple really. The West is poaching the best and brightest from around the world, depriving the Third World of their most productive workers, the people who would be most able to improve their communities. It also brings down wages in the West by increasing the labor supply.





File: 116d9063d4a2979⋯.png (34.25 KB, 500x341, 500:341, lol babies.png)



What Is Property?, Proudhon

Capital, Volumes I-III, Marx

Anti-Dühring, Engels

The Revolution Betrayed, Trotsky

I plan to read all of these. I've read some of What Is Property?, but right now I'm readying Capital, Volume I right now, but I could be persuaded to start over for the purposes of a reading group. I already wanted to start over anyway so I could start taking notes as I read.

I'm also considering reading Theories of Surplus Value in its entirety, but I'm a little apprehensive because I'm not sure how much autism it requires.


File: d7650887c830a87⋯.jpg (55.89 KB, 600x571, 600:571, DDIRzrvUwAA4oaU.jpg)


>right now I'm readying Capital, Volume I right now

I think I might have brain damage.



To be fair, a lot of them leave because their "bright ideas" are considered "wrong think" and challenge local religious or cultural ideas. Death (whether social or literal) or immigration tends to lead to people immigrating to places where their ideas are accepted and where they can get the tools they need to better explore their ideas.

I think the focus should less be on getting them to stay and potentially die a pariah and more on using the advances they make in other countries to leverage those countries into providing educational aid and logistical support.



I've got Vol. 1 on its way, would be happy to start that with a group. Also, I believe David Harvey has a YouTube series that essentially functions as a Capital reading group.

Might be better to start with easier reads first though?



the Rampage trilogy, Postal, and Assault on Wall Street are unironically among the most important films about American in the 21st century and I genuinely hope Uwe Boll someday gets the respect he deserves



I don't know what others want but I'd like to start with a shorter, more entry-level text such as "Wage Labour and Capital", "Critique of the Gotha Programme" or something by Lenin maybe



Don't. Capital isn't a hard read, it's just long, and if you don't know about its content, especially the law of value, you're not going to understand something like Critique of the Gotha Program, even if you think you do.



I may disagree. Capital isn’t ludicrously rigorous intellectually but it’s a bit of a slog, dry and fact rich and can be overwhelming without previous exposure to his more core concepts.

The only reason I say this is because I’m reality anybody could read capital. Brainlets from /pol/ read it all the time and then post here gloating with some post about “Marx btfo” and how they disagree with it. It’s entirely another thing to truly comprehend his work, quality reading we are talking here. Takes a lot of mental fortitude to get through it.



What about Wage Labour and Capital? Would you say Capital is really the best starting point? It's so long that I feel like I want to be a little more into Marxism on a basic level before putting so much reading time into it.

Also, I have read the section of Capital about commodity fetishism (in the context of a university course) and found it understandable but quite challenging. I've heard this is one of the more difficult parts though.



No don’t listen to this guy, absolutely start with Wage Labor and Capital first. Perhaps even Marx’s first economic and philosophic manuscript:


Otherwise capital may fall flat without some kind of intro first. Marx, unfortunately in his glorious autism has a tendency to spend 40+ pages building an argument that then hits a climax in a singular sentence. It’s cool but as I’m sure you can imagine it really helps to have some idea where he is going conceptually, otherwise it just seems like autistic rambling



It may seem like overkill, but what Marx does is to incorporate the "why" and the "how" into every step of the process. It absolutely requires constant rereading, but once you get it you really get it. I agree with you on using a primer.


File: 854c18d9e456e6d⋯.png (1.5 MB, 1074x1598, 537:799, CommunalistReadingList.png)

What books from Bookchin should I start with?



I was a fan of ‘’’Communalism: The Democratic Dimension of Anarchism’’’


And ‘’’Libertarian Municipalism: The Politics of Social Ecology’’’

It’s hard to find a pdf version of this. It was technically written by Janet Biehl, an understudy of Bookchins, though Bookchin has much input in it. I have a pdf on my home comp I can post though when I get home


It’s genious work there’s no doubt about it.



Wow, thank you so much for compiling this. I have only read random pamphlets and excerpts from random parts of Bookchins life so far. This helps a lot.

Although maybe we should abandon pepe? Could the smiling Bookchin OC work better?





So is it decided? Start with a Wage Labor and Capital reading group?



Yes please!


>abandon pepe

Off to the gulag you go



>Although maybe we should abandon pepe?




A /leftpol/ core should include it and it's probably good for newfags to get acquainted with. I think a well rounded reading would be

Wage Labor and Capital, Value Price and Profit, and Critique of the Gotha Programe

What is Property?


Conquest of Bread

Ego and it's Own

State and Revolution

About the Platform

Capital Abridged with the intent to read the whole thing later

Origin of Private Property and the State

This would give a good foundation of Marxist and Anarchist thought and be able to prep into more specific texts later.


PR probably. I don't see the issue for a chan but if we were spreading it outside I'd drop it to avoid being associated with the aut-right.


currently reading "The Deindustrialization of America" by Bluestone and Harrison. It's fairly outdated but still relevant because it outlines and explains a lot of the economic problems in America that got us to where we are today.

Would post a pdf here but libgen doesn't have it unfortunately.


Does anyone here have a epub or mobi of capitalist realism?



I'd be really enthusiastic too about a reading group for these texts, hope we can get it going



me too, I've read only Marx and most of the spook book out of the list


File: 3854bd577bf779d⋯.png (58.53 KB, 673x755, 673:755, leftybook.png)


here's what I've written for a potential OP of the reading group thread, ideas, suggestions, corrections, additions?

the topic of the thread will be /leftybook/ and the image(s) a suitable cover of the book and possibly a cute anime girl

I'm going to sleep now, if there is interest I'll post the thread tomorrow with corrections.



Sounds good to me, I'm still on board.


experimental reading group thread here >>27714

go post your questions and insights there on Wage, Labour and Capital


Someone donated a bunch of Trotskyist lit to my local sabotcat book fair. I’m not a trot so should I go for it? Been meaning to read Trotsky’s account of the Russian revolution for a while now.



> Trotsky’s account of the Russian revolution

is good. Otherwise, it's trash that you can safely ignore.



>it's trash that you can safely ignore.

trotsky would have been the man that would have made the ussr not suck, if you dont realize that, youre a fucking moron, a terrible leftcom, and probably a /pol/ shill…



>trotsky would have been the man that would have made the ussr not suck,

great man theory is of no use to a socialist



if trotsky was a "great man" according great man theory the ussr would have actually not sucked, trotsky was a great man regardless because his ideology was the next logical step of socialism after leninism [and marxisim] but he was not great enough to prevent stalin from applying his own ideology instead, its truly the most regrettable turn of events in the history of the ussr.



as a side note, i personally consider this board the home of the fourth international, whether or not the rest of you realize it.



Trotsky was just as bad as Stalin, he just never had the man's resources.


> his ideology was the next logical step of socialism after leninism [and marxisim]

Yeahhhhhhh, no.


Oh, you were just taking the piss. All right, then.




>Bowling for Columbine but no Ken Loach

Also everyone watch Ken Loach



>I'd drop it to avoid being associated with the aut-right




you cant be that unironically stupid

take your ass back to /pol/


File: ee42b86450cff56⋯.png (86.61 KB, 930x753, 310:251, rgf645jh778.png)


File: dddd937d821d47d⋯.png (244.64 KB, 365x765, 73:153, the fuck is this.png)


what am i supposed to be looking at here



be careful, comrade, this is weapons grade autism!



What the fuck, I actually kek'd



is it loss?



He has a point though, if the purpose is to spread something among the general public (including people not familiar with chan humor) we should leave out whatever unnecessarily gives a negative impression.



>Trotsky was just as bad as Stalin

[citation needed]



I didn't know that you liberals could read. Maybe that explains it


File: d39c1604de40e00⋯.jpg (10.51 KB, 104x220, 26:55, e8e04f2ece9234ad12bc92fbdf….jpg)




File: 1c616f122a31ab5⋯.png (233.74 KB, 620x640, 31:32, 1c616f122a31ab591ca3b639ac….png)


ITT: we post unrelated wiki articles to answer questions



The fact that we can read only explains that we're not liberals.


Not lefty-related, and please don't call me idpol for asking this here (I hate idpol as much as the next guy) but does anyone happen to know some titles of scientific studies which prove that sexual orientation isn't a choice?

Getting real tired of M-Ls who are reactionary about gay rights just because "muh lenin didn't like gays either and this had NOTHING to do with him living in the early 20th century"


Im looking for leftist literature on education reform. Books, pamphlets, articles, whatever. I wanna send it to some friends to try to bring them over to the cause. Most are Bernie supporters already so I hope with a little help I can make true Comrades out of them.



The Falling Rate of Learning by David Blacker


File: 3855d34507a5020⋯.pdf (2.2 MB, The Ignorant Schoolmaster.pdf)


this is leftist and education related but I'm not sure if it's what you are looking for

good book nontheless



Thank you. I will be sure to read it and sent it along.


File: b225dc2e84c7293⋯.jpg (49.25 KB, 750x1000, 3:4, brainlet.jpg)

Good morning fellas. New to all this rubbish and I read in one of the /leftypol/ book threads that "Socialism: Utopian and Scientific" was a solid starting point. Been reading through it and found myself skipping through a good chunk of it because, to be blunt, it just comes off as philosophical wank that I just can't comprehend.

Is there stuff I should be reading prior to this, is it a shit starting point or am I just a fucking moron?



check out book thread here >>27714

Wage & Labour and Capital is a good place to start, very practical and understandable without prior knowledge


Is The Concept of the Political, or anything else by Carl Schmitt worth reading?



This, and also "Value, Price and Profit".



Charlie Hebdo


File: 1961c2a23d6f687⋯.jpg (26.45 KB, 328x499, 328:499, 41W-0XB-m2L__SX326_BO1,204….jpg)

File: 67293da52863f04⋯.pdf (1.51 MB, [Richard_Nisbett]_The_Geog….pdf)

The Geography of Thought: How Asians and Westerners Think Differently…and Why

by Richard E. Nisbett


File: 067e62a1ca0aa2f⋯.jpg (167.25 KB, 482x773, 482:773, catholicisms-communist-sai….jpg)


>I started reading Thomas More's Utopia recently and was wondering if we could get a thread going about left wing literature. Anyone else read this and have thoughts on the book? Can it be considered proto-socialist?

maaah nigga!!!

Been hitting /christian/ with this meme for some time to no avail, of course Anything leftist triggers the Russians there … understandably, I guess … as well as the /pol/



Hitler approved of the bourgeoisie. His problem was that in his opinion it had too many Jews, and too few Germans in it.

He tried to fix that in the most retarded way possible.



>no fashion

Only thing I can't get behind.



Is this another "the collectivist yellows are creatively sterile and can only improve on what the white man has first accomplished" type of propaganda?



No, really it is not that lefty at all, other then an addendum debunking racial heredity of intelligence.


Do we have any entry-level spoonfeed me plz tier reading lists?


File: 9078a216decc71b⋯.jpg (451.34 KB, 1310x1300, 131:130, 1487273776155.jpg)

File: d2a0a3d33ea2d56⋯.png (616.01 KB, 1088x735, 1088:735, An_Anarcho_Primitivist_Rea….png)

File: 31d69304dde64a4⋯.jpg (200.47 KB, 1074x1598, 537:799, Arn5Hz7.jpg)

File: 1e779d68e8c7a4d⋯.png (3.77 MB, 900x2648, 225:662, Collection_of_Marxism.png)

File: 5d0d1a4f9bbb8f9⋯.jpg (2.93 MB, 2880x2016, 10:7, Leftist_Books.jpg)


File: 1976df024d53d5d⋯.jpg (271.82 KB, 1090x1389, 1090:1389, Non-Tumblr_Feminism.jpg)

File: 0cebdfd4efccfee⋯.jpg (319.22 KB, 1151x1200, 1151:1200, Radical_and_Progressive_Bo….jpg)

File: 7ea77808cf82d1d⋯.png (1.54 MB, 1575x1555, 315:311, The_Empirical_Marxist_Read….png)

File: 8ffe9a58b479798⋯.jpg (2.47 MB, 2016x2880, 7:10, Leftist_Literature.jpg)



Thanks but only #1 & #4 have intro books and even then it's a tad intimidating (dear I say it, off-putting) because there's so many to pick from. I'm reading Wage Labour and Capital right now but I'm wondering what would be the right direction to go in after finishing and I don't really have the spare time to experiment with every single listed book.



>No! Too many books!

I get that. Follow your own interests. After awhile you'll narrow in on what excites you.

>reading Wage Labour and Capital right now but I'm wondering what would be the right direction to go in after finishing

The Production of Absolute Surplus Value, Engels


The Production of Relative Surplus Value, Engels



File: 13aea86be90a4ea⋯.pdf (191.5 KB, ted-kaczynski-the-truth-ab….pdf)



"The Truth About Primitive Life: A Critique of Anarchoprimitivism" should definitely be on the list.


In case anyone is interested, here's the full online archive of the leftist magazine Radical Philosophy




File: 84ac22d3979102b⋯.jpg (22.77 KB, 220x327, 220:327, 220px-1984first.jpg)

So I read 1984 a few years ago, and I remember hearing Orwell was a socialist, but nothing political really jumped out at me. It just sounds like the NSA taken to its logical conclusion. Did I miss anything?



1984 should be understood as Orwell criticizing the USSR. here's a review Asimov wrote of it.




Tankies can say Orwell knew very little about the soviet union, wrongly sympathized with Trotsky, the USSR wasn't at all like he described, but at the same time it's amusing to know that if Oceania did exist exactly as he described, Tankies would defend it to their last breath using their usual assortment of strategies.



Thanks, that clears it up a bit.


Can anybody recommend some books on the Years of Lead, or the modern Italian Left in general?


File: 9f240ef228380ce⋯.jpg (20.38 KB, 337x499, 337:499, 411H1YB9lnL__SX335_BO1,204….jpg)



Reprint of writings from the timeframe and place you mention.

A bit of a mixed bag as anthologies tend to be.


>/lit/ thread

>Only theory

Jesus christ, have some fucking fan once in a while nerds




But seriously, only reading this shit melts your brain



it's not because it's not ITT that we don't read fiction

the thing is that fiction often doesn't follow a specific political position so most of it doesn't belong here



>>/lit/ thread

>>Only theory

the book in the OP hardly counts as theory. And if you have any good works of lefty fiction to contribute no one's stopping you.


File: c958fc4aa9a367e⋯.jpeg (5.1 KB, 225x225, 1:1, images (6).jpeg)


>And if you have any good works of lefty fiction to contribute no one's stopping you.

I don't think he gets mentioned in these threads, but the works of Upton Sinclair should be mandatory reading, especially the jungle.


Lads, any books on Nihilism?



nihilists don't need books



Fathers and sons



maybe Genealogy of Morals



do you mean nihilism as a positively held philosophical position or analysed by philosophy? for the former, i would recommend Deleuze and Heidegger's books on Nietzsche. although they aren't really positive understandings/formulations of nihilism as a philosophical position, arguably Nietzsche is a foremost thinker to understand in order to understand/think nihilism. A bit higher tech/difficulty is Ray Brassier's Nihil Unbound, he actually is a nihilist. There's also Eugene Thacker's books (The Horror of Philosophy Trilogy, After Life), although he considers himself more of a ("cosmic") pessimist, he tends to be more positive towards Schopenhauer than anyone.

as for philosophy analysing Nihilism, many of Nietzsche's books, particularly the Will to Power do this. There is also Alenka Zupancic's book on Nietzsche, The Shortest Shadow.


Honestly anything worth reading or watching is usually leftist at its core. Why? Because the truth sets people free.



As a philosophical position. Also thank you for the recommendations comrade


File: 927bb0ba6487219⋯.jpg (13.92 KB, 188x300, 47:75, turgenev.jpg)

File: 8e62d679fe5db2e⋯.pdf (331.93 KB, fathers and sons turgenev.pdf)


Fathers and Sons by Ivan Turgenev is a book worth reading. I read it years ago. The death of the doctor character parallels the real life death of a colleague of Semmelweiss, Jakob Kolletschka.



I'm in page 41 of Fathers and Sons, its pretty good comrade.



I wouldn't consider Critique of the Gotha Program to be introductory. I read it when I was first getting into Marx and was only able to get surface deep into it, because it calls on a lot of concepts from past works that you won't pick up on when you're new. Rereading it recently, I definitely think it's better saved for after you've read at least most introductory Marx works.



Most people here will disagree, but honestly read the manifesto. Understand it's purpose, and read through it. It's pretty short and written for the average person, and will give you some basic knowledge of Marxism(especially the political and revolutionary side of Marxism, remember "Every class struggle is a political struggle). After that I would go for Principles of Communism. Another simple work that will give you an even stronger base understanding, and sets you up for all of the other works.


For anyone who has read Marx's main economic works, Capital, Gundrisse, Manuscripts etc. "Capital and Community" by Jacques Camatte essentially ties them all together in a coherent study of capital, going through the different methods Marx used to analyze it in his different works. Definitely an interesting read and recommended.



So are you saying that book by Camatte is good as an introduction? Or is it better to have read those works by Marx first?



No not a good introduction at all, it assumes a pretty good understanding of all of Marx's economic theories and it's pretty dense. It's more of a higher level connection of Marx's different economic works, and then goes into more Camatte-ish stuff. If you are actually an-prim though Camatte is often said to be a big inspiration in that circle so I would recommend reading him at some point. "Against Domestication" is a good one.



Okay thanks

>If you are actually an-prim

nah it's basically a meme flag, although ecology and critique of technology does interest me


File: f2fe8cdd0310e83⋯.jpg (453.95 KB, 1434x2000, 717:1000, top-10-critical-theorists-….jpg)

Anything in specific I can read/watch to get a better understanding of Walter Benjamin? I've watched John Berger's Ways Of Seeing which helped me to understand The Work of Art. Would like to delve into Benjamin's other writings, but his writing style always gives me the feeling that there's a lot of subtleties I'm missing out on. (I'm planning to read Short History of Photography and his essays on history/language next)


File: 5d2e5ec8980b2ec⋯.pdf (3.16 MB, Capital and community by C….pdf)


>"Capital and Community" by Jacques Camatte

Can y'all post PDF's?


File: b0341e37c42e6cc⋯.jpg (223.2 KB, 1849x906, 1849:906, virgin chomsky vs chad par….jpg)

I ordered To Kill a Nation by mail and my dad said "this book arrived, it really seems like conspiracy theory stuff based on the back cover". I think he's worried about me now

Serious question though how reliable is parenti?



>How reliable is parenti

To kill a nation is the worst. Michael Parenti wrote that less than 3,000 Bosniacs were murdered in the genocide which is less than the number of bodies excavated, let alone estimates including missing persons. in Just Srebenica more than 8,000 were killed. Parenti also claims 3,000 Serb civilians were murdered in Bosniac raids, which is just him repeating unfounded serb propaganda.



>To kill a nation is the worst.

Well fuck, bad choice to buy that one first then (especially since I already had the pdf). So what's the best, blackshirts & reds? Should all his books be taken with a large grain of salt?

In TKAN does he at least bring up some good points about NATO or is it mere mindless tankyism?



He does a pretty good job on the geopolitical angle, making a good case against the USA, Nato, and the UN.



TKAN was my introduction to Parenti and even though he does engage in quite a bit of Milosevic apologetics i'd still call it a useful resource for understanding how the west conspired against Yugoslavia.

Fool's Crusade by Diana Johnstone is similar in that regard as well.


File: 61fe28f80684951⋯.pdf (234.64 KB, Baudrillard on Bataille & ….pdf)


Become a Baudrillardian Post-Marxist today


John Zerzan wrote a new book called a people's history of civilization and I want to read it for the memes but it's not out yet.


No, It's not pro socialist because it's a work of fiction, not a work of nonfiction.


File: 566db2a50a67886⋯.png (423.12 KB, 500x340, 25:17, sankara confused.png)


Where can I get an honest critique of the soviet union




Turning Point USA

Black Book of Communism



True, everybody needs a little comedy and fantasy in their life. Fucking pragerU? Are you a brainlet?


Personally I like pannekoek. Others will swarm me with pancake jokes


Leftist litterature? the guy was a Catholic fanatic that arrested Protestants



Protestants are spiritual liberals and have always been fervent supporters of capitalism with few exceptions.


File: 449766ae5358412⋯.jpg (166.58 KB, 1202x1102, 601:551, karl the marx of russia.jpg)

I know Herbert Marcuse is often seen as a crypto-liberal CIA shill, but I've been reading some critical theory lately so maybe wanna check him out too. Anyone who has actually read Marcuse? Thoughts on him?


File: fb7f37c10e74b6f⋯.jpg (105.35 KB, 940x645, 188:129, 666 trillion.jpg)

Anyone here have a decent history of modern China, preferably covering from the fall of the Qing Dynasty to Mao's revolution to Deng's counterrevolution? Hard to find anything that's not "Mao killed 666 times more than Hitler lol". I'd like something written by a leftist or at least a sympathizer, but not Grover Furr tier worship.


File: 628d7e72d776892⋯.png (119.77 KB, 500x467, 500:467, ThotPatrolHighScore.png)


>that image

Not posting the better one



>Incel socialism.jpg



Talki about it, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-2HtTLexFE think we can use this?


File: 1744d4a9d6320f9⋯.png (23.56 KB, 358x479, 358:479, ClipboardImage.png)

I'm not sure if this is the place for it, but I'll ask anyways.

I was at work today and was talking to my coworker/roommate about how much I hate reading things on my computer, and the idea hit me to just look into printing and binding my own copies from my yuge PDF stash of mostly leftist political and philosophy books.

How hard would this be to do and how much would I have to invest? also would anyone be interested in such a thing? I cant be the only one who hates e-reading. and before anyone ask I'm not interested in making profit off it, (I already make enough to keep the lights on) probably just a pay what you want kind of deal with the minimum being shipping and printing cost

lemme know what you think anons :)



You mean like printing things? I do this all the time but there’s limitations. I use my work printers cuz they’re “free”. Also what I do is copy the text into Microsoft word in order to reformat it so it takes up less paper. Takes a while but it’s worth it. Furthermore I don’t print things like das kapital cuz that’s just too much. Buy that off amazon or something.



Fanshen by William Hinton describes the rural reforms and social change brought about from the Chinese revolution. It was a pretty good read last time I remember.


File: 850440e10a4fdfc⋯.webm (3.99 MB, 480x360, 4:3, pol_af.webm)



Most just jump straight into Evola and get lost, then they never read again


Hey, can I get some help? I need to find pdfs of the following, since I'm too retarded to find pdfs on my own:

Marxism and the National Question by Stalin

Dialectical and Historical Materialism by Stalin

Dance of the Dialectic by Bertell Ollman

Dialectical Logic by Alexannder Spirkin

Finance Capital by Hilferding

Unfinished Leninism by Paul Le Blanc

Building the Party by Tony Cliff

All Power to the Soviets by Tony Cliff

Revolution Besieged by Tony Cliff

The Russian Revolution and Leninism or Marxism? By Luxemburg

Selected Writings by Alexandra Kollontai

Reclaiming Marx's Capital by Andrew Kliman

Escape from Freedom by Erich Fromm

Slavoj Žižek presents Mao



Some of these (at least Stalin and Luxemburg) should be on marxists.org



Not as pdfs


File: e65e4f7a9cd5a0a⋯.pdf (11.01 MB, (Revolutions) Mao Tse-Tung….pdf)



Thanks comrade


What are some good books about the history of Soviet Union? I'd like to read something a bit more objective, not just full of criticism or praise.





I dont know why but pdfs are not posting sorry


What's the best book to get into /basick economicks/?


File: ab4707eea0b8b32⋯.pdf (124.75 KB, European Lone Actor Terror….pdf)



This would be appreciated by me as well.


File: a4879f06a0370b1⋯.png (156.56 KB, 500x294, 250:147, tumblr_nly2r2iQ2k1r2fulpo1….png)

When Slavery is Socialist


File: 936d6e1eada8e8d⋯.pdf (2.43 MB, Adolf Hitler - Mein Kampf ….pdf)

File: fd44b641c888903⋯.pdf (1.29 MB, Corneliu Zelea Codreanu - ….pdf)

File: 80fe494a7bde9c2⋯.pdf (1.97 MB, George Lincoln Rockwell - ….pdf)

File: 8ad7eda702b14dd⋯.pdf (2.03 MB, George Lincoln Rockwell - ….pdf)

File: d8fee09493aee48⋯.pdf (548.43 KB, Helmuth Stellrecht - Faith….pdf)


File: 15e0aa20b7502a7⋯.pdf (802.08 KB, Fascist Economics and Soci….pdf)

File: e1304df85813f37⋯.pdf (8.1 MB, IronMarch - A Squire's Tri….pdf)

File: 4bf7e166b063432⋯.pdf (2.33 MB, Sir Oswald Mosley - The Gr….pdf)

File: 4c6e76b4a378290⋯.pdf (1.89 MB, The Myth of the Twentieth ….pdf)


File: 34786de9c1419be⋯.pdf (306.5 KB, Oswald Spengler - Prussian….pdf)

File: c8da583966eab1c⋯.pdf (519.18 KB, The programme of the NSDAP.pdf)

File: f2d72f16456a9f6⋯.pdf (604.09 KB, José Antonio Primo de Rive….pdf)

File: c2c7f52b8f50e44⋯.pdf (2.34 MB, A National Policy - Oswald….pdf)

File: 4ce41aad64cd7e9⋯.pdf (846.02 KB, Julius Evola - Fascism Vie….pdf)


File: fafefaad693e0d9⋯.jpg (7.22 KB, 240x210, 8:7, follow your leader.jpg)





Slavs>This Anglo Shit


any good anti-market stuff?


File: 5c2ec4f5b38c5e0⋯.jpg (191.27 KB, 1100x1650, 2:3, What'sTHeMatterWithKansas.jpg)

Just read this book, gotta say it’s pretty good. Gives a pretty good explanation for Burger conservatism and how to combat it. (focus on class, and ignore idpol)



Depends, what exactly are you looking for?



looking for something to counter lolberts mostly


What is the best edition / translation of Capital?



Marx was a drunken useless abuser who preyed on the resentments of other useless people to create a shit ideology that has killed 200 million and counting.

There is no good edition



>200 million

nice meme


File: 0a3395217f45aa8⋯.jpg (128.33 KB, 800x1228, 200:307, Dilemmas_of_Lenin_(PB_Edit….jpg)

recently picked this up, any thoughts on the book/author?


>from one hundred million to two hundred million in just a few years

pretty amazing that Marx was able to murder so many people from beyond the grave in such a short time period


Anyone here familiar with the late historian Eric Hobsbawm? I read a lot of endorsements of him, though he's also an anti-Stalin Marxist.

I checked out Nations and Nationalism since 1780, On Empire, and Age of Empire 1875-1914 from the library, and Also read the preface he wrote to an edition of the communist manifesto. Although I'm not familiar with the subjects, It's clear to see he has an amazing wealth of knowledge. "No historian now writing in English can match his overwhelming command of fact and source. But the key word is 'command'. "Hobsbawm's capacity to store and retrieve detail has now reached a scale normally approached only by large archives with big staffs"



yes, Hobsbawm's 'long 19th century' trilogy is excellent for a broad understanding of the 19th century.

strongly recommended.

are you insinuating that being anti-Stalin is somehow inherently bad? a lot of rather unfortunate stuff happened under his rule, and not all can be excused with rapid industrialisation and the nazi menace



>though he's also an anti-Stalin Marxist.

I wouldn't even bother to read a historian who's a pro-Stalin "marxist" lmao


For some insane reason I want to actually read Hegel instead of reading about him. Where do I start and how do I stay sane whilst doing so?


I herd u liek books


For anyone who liked cuckchan's literature board before /pol/yps destroyed any meaningful discussion.



your home board, /b/ is cancer and you should feel bad


File: da8fb5175f607d9⋯.jpg (36.75 KB, 332x499, 332:499, 519AJju20sL._SX330_BO1,204….jpg)

>The Iranian revolution of 1979 is sometimes spoken of as the third great revolution of modern times, after the French and the Russian. The interpretation of all three of these revolutions will always be controversial, but many people still broadly think of the first two in terms set out by Karl Marx in the nineteenth century. According to that analysis, the French revolution was a bourgeois revolution, in which the perennially rising middle class pushed aside the old forms of feudalism and asserted its growing economic power in political terms, setting up the forms of representative government and establishing the bourgeois class and capitalist economics as dominant for the period that followed. The Russian revolution, following on from the French, was the proletarian revolution predicted by Marx, bringing in an era of socialist government in the interest of the working class, at least according to the theory.

These crude characterizations conceal many contradictions. Even a cursory reading of the events of the French revolution shows the way that the populists exploiting the militant influence of the urban poor of Paris (and the threat of war from France's enemies) diverted the revolution away from the principles of bourgeois liberalism toward terror, political murder and repression. One of its prime outcomes was a redistribution of land to peasant farmers that in the long run had profoundly conservative and anti-capitalist consequences.

<implying that this is somehow contradictory to the idea of a bourgeois revolution

<implying that tyranny and political murder has nothing to do with liberalism

Don't you just love it when "experts" feel the need to go off topic and opine about leftist theories they don't understand just to take cheap digs at Marx? This was taken straight from chapter one and already i hate this guy



According to Marx, Marx is always right, so when you say Marx is wrong, you don't understand Marx as Marx understood that Marx is always right. Any opinion to the contrary is bourgeois propaganda and totally invalid.


File: 01aabfddff82ac6⋯.jpg (21.2 KB, 600x647, 600:647, 4ab.jpg)


>Marx said jews need to be genocided. What, you say that's factually wrong? Oh i guess it's all "bourgeois propaganda" huh?

>Nah you can't learn anything about what Marx actually thought by reading his books



File: 9ace3a53c4366ec⋯.pdf (3.83 MB, Baudrillard_Jean_In_the_Sh….pdf)

File: 030c419a4f570cf⋯.pdf (806.79 KB, Baudrillard_Symbolic_Excha….pdf)

File: 2d41acd76b37f3c⋯.pdf (6.58 MB, Baudrillard_The_Spirit_of_….pdf)

File: 8c68f451951aa48⋯.pdf (188.54 KB, baudrillardsimulacraandsim….pdf)


here it is along with some other wacky baudrillard stuff


File: 4f90703bd872c62⋯.pdf (3.78 MB, Bourdieu_Pierre_On_Televis….pdf)


I'm reading Bruce Watson's book on Nicola and Bart and I'm 50 pages in and taking a break. I'm not sure if the author deserves a bullet. He claims anarchism as a sort of religion and uses one worded quotes in ways that pisses me off to no end. He also implies that anarchists started WWI which I highly doubt. Yet at the same time he admitted the murders of Socialists and lynchings of the Italians in the Red scares. One moment I'm tend to think that he is /ourguy/ but at another I see him countersignalling in his writings. Is it just me?



At the same time these books have editors so I'll give the author a benefit of a doubt and give the editor a bullet for being such a obtuse faggot.



1) slavery was never OK

2) a society with slavery can never and will never be socialist. it's just some utopian garbage



Where did the poster you reply to defend slavery? Have you heard of the expression "throwing away the baby with the bath water"? The book was a product of its time. Dismissing everything in it because it doesn't reject slavery is on par with dismissing Marx because he didn't embrace gay rights.

Also obviously future socialist societies won't have slavery, but it's enormously idealist to think a society is not socialist anymore as soon as some things that are "not OK" happen in it. That would imply the USSR's economy stopped being socialist because the Great Purge happened.



>it's enormously idealist to think a society is not socialist anymore as soon as some things that are "not OK" happen in it

slavery is a completely different mode of production you dumb fuck, it's not about morality

>would imply the USSR's economy stopped being socialist because the Great Purge happened

>implying the soviet economy was ever socialist



>slavery is a completely different mode of production

which is identified by Marx and Engels as being characteristic of the Greek city states and early Rome. are you seriously about to argue that any society, like that of More's time, or of the United States starting from its birth, had the same mode of production as Greece and Rome just by virtue of having slavery?


File: 6444c2a23c26da5⋯.png (1.57 MB, 1686x2400, 281:400, 010.png)

Is there any literature, or text book on the practical application of psychoanalysis in your inventory?


File: 1eece9f2fb9c75e⋯.pdf (5.6 MB, 2007 Fundamentals of Psych….pdf)

File: 0a70d632bd8918e⋯.pdf (392.74 KB, (Summertalk) Alenka Zupanc….pdf)


'A Clinical Introduction', which is of particular interest, is too big to upload so I uploaded it, alongside other files, here: https://volafile.org/r/kmczhu74

Start with that one. 'Why Psychoanalysis' is the most abstract, but it's short and insightful, and well worth reading.

The other two are supplementary.



this shit is 8 months old and you are still talking here wtf i havent read nothing but i assume you must be off-topic af. boards like this sucks wouldn't you like more varied posts (those usually do not get much attention) instead of focusing on old ass threads?



It's the general thread for leftist literature, there is a fuck ton of other threads. Are you baiting or fucking retarded?


File: 8470a039fef9589⋯.pdf (10.38 MB, Blackshirts_and_Reds.pdf)

File: fef62d9fdab76fc⋯.jpg (12.98 KB, 480x360, 4:3, PARENTI.jpg)


File: e249f969d8bf178⋯.jpg (20.47 KB, 305x400, 61:80, losurdo.jpg)


File: 216c2eaff4cedd7⋯.jpg (7.16 KB, 284x75, 284:75, vidyautism.jpg)


>Pather panchali


How? And Who made this ?


File: 85303ebbaf9f662⋯.jpg (63.57 KB, 420x280, 3:2, 1445412142001.jpg)


How's the rest of the book though?


Yo fags, got any bools on the Soviet Economy?


Another View of Stalin https://stalinsocietypk.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/another-view-of-stalin1.pdf Fraud, Famine, & Fascism http://www.garethjones.org/tottlefraud.pdf Restoration of Capitalism to USSR http://www.oneparty.co.uk/html/book/ussrmenu.html

Arguably the most important books in combating anti-tankie myths.



The third link is all about the shift from socialism to market socialism my nikitia khrushchev.




8 decades later, soyboys still mad



Why are /pol/acks more obsessed with soy than even soyboys? Also, didn't the Nazis actively promote eating soybeans over meat?



You are soyboys because you are weak and effeminate, every successful "left-wing" revolution end up being militaristic cult of personality right afterwards anyway, you would be the first one to be purged by your "comrades".



>weak and effeminate


>militaristic cult of personality

good to know that fascists are also soyboys then


File: 92c0f8e597ae304⋯.mp4 (10.04 MB, 406x720, 203:360, brave kekistanis combattin….mp4)

File: 3c91ee90cde65cc⋯.jpg (190.2 KB, 1325x1255, 265:251, manly trump supporters.jpg)

File: 8ab4f4652a259b6⋯.jpg (54.36 KB, 600x620, 30:31, masculine kekistanis.jpg)

File: da9069ffa1fddfd⋯.jpg (208.92 KB, 1024x828, 256:207, kekistani alphamales.jpg)

File: 3046212de00fe02⋯.jpg (72.24 KB, 576x1024, 9:16, pol user.jpg)


>rightard calling anyone else weak and effeminate



File: ad4395dfe6bd9a3⋯.jpg (21.88 KB, 270x400, 27:40, 9781784787301.jpg)


File: cd3a3455ff4cf3b⋯.jpg (29.27 KB, 317x475, 317:475, 10185738.jpg)





File: d85e33294f8ad95⋯.jpeg (24.29 KB, 275x363, 25:33, 3E017974-6BD4-463E-809A-0….jpeg)

Did he ever make any writings?


File: f871b3b06397025⋯.jpeg (213.65 KB, 833x1280, 833:1280, serveimage-1.jpeg)



Thank you, anona


Has anyone read "A Russian Tragedy" by Aleksandr Zinoviev? Is it any good?


take a blanke piece of paper whipe your ass with it an vola you have commie liturature



Can i shit in your moms mouth?



"How to do things with shit", bashically

also >saging a sticky




>producing anything at all from any source of material

They are'nt called parasites for nothing, the rich only ever steals from the white men.



are you sure dud?


File: b432e6fba3284bf⋯.jpg (16.97 KB, 190x266, 5:7, 518d13efdd100f44091c97f3fb….jpg)


>thread full of leftist resources

>leftist resources don't exist



>yo soros

<whats up bezos?

>those leftists on are really getting on to us

<yeah most definitely, we need to do something about this

>if we start calling them soyboys, then we can hide from the people that they're super ripped manly alpha's who aren't subservient to no one

<great idea bezos, i put my memetic operations squad right on it

This is what soyboys actually believe.



All you ever do is complaining about how everything oppresses you and how it makes you so impotent that you need a complete overturning of the world to fix it. Sounds like a soyboy to me.


File: 6dbf8ddf7222031⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 27.47 KB, 633x299, 633:299, girlsjustwanna.png)


That sounds more like the love letters of which the Fuhrer received thousands. Or like a soyboy



>is so enamored with his fuhrer sex fantasies that he drops them at random

>accuses others of projection

Weak, like a soyboy.



Try it out then, I suppose it must work if I won't hear from you again.



Plato's Republic is the Ur-Nazbol State Project.



True nihilism is the rejection of any sort of meaning or values which to guide one's life with. By rejecting everything in life as being equally worthless, you will either become an omnicidial maniac, commit suicide, or ascend into Nirvana.

But if you want some kind of "philosophy" that sees life as lacking a purpose, but not rejecting living life as an option, embrace Absurdism.

Existentialism has no answers, only questions. Hesse and Nietzsche inspire people to set down their own moral system, and to appreciate whatever happens, but they never actually talk about what should be done, or what makes most sense. Neither do Sartre or Heidegger.

Not even Gautama Buddha, Plato, or Jesus could solve the riddle of why life is something that should be embraced and be worth living, or why people should avoid death.

They all assume that Man seeks happiness and everlasting joy, and that death is something to be avoided.

Neither Marxism nor Randism will ever give your life a purpose, or make it feel like there is anything which is worth living for, other than vaguely defined dreams and hopes of "something better".

Therefore, live or live not. If you wish to live, you must already have something which you feel must be better than death. If you do not wish to live, and you see nothing in life as being worth spending time on, remember that there is nothing waiting for you on "the other side". It's not "better". It's not "worse". It's nothing. You cease to exist, and that's it.


Does anyone have a list of what would be considered “essential” anarchist reading? I’ve read Kropotkin’s Conquest of Bread and plan to reread it soon (I first read it when I was completely new to socialism so I will probably appreciate it more now).


File: f9b48268eba79da⋯.png (219.96 KB, 1000x2000, 1:2, anarchism reading list.png)


This might help


File: b9c868c529c65a8⋯.jpg (20.95 KB, 800x575, 32:23, b9c868c529c65a846b389e2334….jpg)


>muh soy


File: 86e699719dc7bbc⋯.jpg (1.37 MB, 1300x1427, 1300:1427, 2017-12-31_04-48-32.jpg)

File: 173d57e830e5fde⋯.jpg (370.65 KB, 1281x2048, 1281:2048, 19-33-32-24883214_16893713….jpg)

File: 2edb052f14f4cc9⋯.jpg (215.29 KB, 627x1469, 627:1469, 19-33-20-24831413_16893717….jpg)


File: 9e9ba280e260135⋯.jpg (1.8 MB, 2500x7500, 1:3, 9e9ba280e260135a96166d7749….jpg)

File: daf433206125e22⋯.jpg (950.39 KB, 1350x4400, 27:88, daf433206125e22694e827b518….jpg)


File: 06eb3fa4935e25f⋯.png (1.18 MB, 885x2890, 177:578, zizek reading list intro.png)

File: 1b6a6745e0b9cc1⋯.jpg (25.08 KB, 720x417, 240:139, FB_IMG_1522013029424.jpg)


File: 708a99cd15d8621⋯.pdf (3.34 MB, ANTIFA_Bray.pdf)

Here is the Anti Fascist handbook, real good, quality advice here.



Do we have any more reading lists like this? I'd love to see/read more.

Also, would it be a good idea for me to start taking notes as I read?


File: 96e86e16011e52d⋯.pdf (138.73 KB, Ildjarn - Final Statement ….pdf)

Re-posting this from the anprim thread



what the fuck is a bizarro nazbol


What books or texts (if any) are required reading before getting into Gramsci?




>naomi klein

>david harvey

jesus i almost thought this was a /pol/ parody lmao



none of those people would attend a united-right rally, they are all moderate magapede tards… they are literally harmless nihlists



They would, you retard, these are exactly the kind of social rejects you see in those rallies.

And as long as your special snowflake ideology doesn't criticize capitalism based on a serious and scientific class analysis of society, I couldn't care less about its contents. "Moderate" MAGA tards, meme fascists and dark enlightenment types are all useful idiots for the ruling elites to a similar extent.


File: a38b2dbe2557ad6⋯.pdf (3.67 MB, Endgame Volume 2 - Resista….pdf)

Anyone have a copy of Endgame Volume 1 by Derrick Jensen? I have Volume 2.


File: 659b2a68c51923f⋯.jpg (75.39 KB, 810x500, 81:50, Karl_Marx_810_500_75_s_c1 ….jpg)

File: cfab6ef679afa1a⋯.jpg (53.05 KB, 227x328, 227:328, Adolf_Hitler-1933.jpg)

File: 65a4fba9aea0629⋯.jpg (27.63 KB, 340x391, 20:23, wilhelmpieck.jpg)

File: 6db5127b3bd52c7⋯.jpg (260.43 KB, 1030x773, 1030:773, Riexinger_Referent.jpg)

Anyone have a book describing the history of socialism in Germany from Marx to reunification? Basically a book on German history from 1818-1990.


File: 564dc57ce3d42b8⋯.pdf (722.14 KB, the soviet "dictatorship".pdf)

File: eed7d5d91abc66d⋯.pdf (4.1 MB, StalinEra_StrongAL.pdf)

File: 5bf9e0e52e98151⋯.pdf (5.22 MB, In North Korea.pdf)

File: e62cd66711d5622⋯.jpg (12.91 KB, 200x309, 200:309, anna-louise-strong.jpg)


Any recommendations for lefty scifi?


File: e4c2022743ad902⋯.gif (1.31 MB, 180x180, 1:1, hmm.gif)


>socialism in Germany

>Hitler picture



not socialism is a form of socialism, even if it's a shitty form that doesn't work. At any rate, Hitler and the DDR proved Marx's hypothesis correct which was instrumental in legitimizing Marxism as a serious political/economic ideology.


File: 0c6d01216f2fe51⋯.jpg (909.42 KB, 3638x1308, 1819:654, nazicapitalists.jpg)



Please explain to us how privatizing industries, defending private property, destroying the German unions and labor-movement, advocating for class-collaboration and having the profits of the bourgeoisie skyrocket while launcing an imperialist war in the East for land is a type of socialism. By nearly every definition, Nazi Germany was a capitalist state



Are you implying socialist would never commit war?


File: fd2608e7bf54f05⋯.gif (46.26 KB, 286x212, 143:106, title.gif)


File: 667695d14f22e83⋯.png (141.75 KB, 282x245, 282:245, cockshott.png)


The most important book of the 21st century. History in the making.


Best book about the USSR?



What period?

Behind the Urals by John Scott is pretty cool. He was an American who lived and worked in the USSR during the period of industrialization. Viktor Serge's memoirs are also interesting because they describe the revolutionary period.



The stalinist era interests me the most, I want the most objective one possible.



I'm not sure if you're serious but I'm interested, why do you think it's the most important socialist book of the 21st century? I haven't heard much about it, not even here.


File: c57f1960f06adae⋯.png (11.26 KB, 214x255, 214:255, 929b7e118d6672a7ce9c24f293….png)


Solved the economic calculation problem and provides an empirical case for socialism. Extrapolate a little and you'll understand it's importance in the near future. And Cockshott has been discussed for years on this site.



There's no reason for war to exist under socialism.



I'd still recommend John Scott's Behind The Urals. It's not "objective" but it's an up-close look at Soviet industrialization in the 1930s.



This is not true. The general problem is essentially the same as Lange's, i.e. they more or less assume the functions that need to be maximized are 'given and known', only they cash it out in terms of labor vouchers. To put it a bit differently, C&amp;C are acting as if managers have a list of technologically feasible methods of production sitting in front of them, and merely plug in prices (in Lange's model) or LVs (in C&amp;C) to determine the most efficient outcome. This is, of course, completely misleading and useless for real world decision-making processes.

There are of course other issues as well, e.g. whether labor vouchers accurately account for the use of natural resources and the heterogeneity of labor.

See Steve Horwitz 1996, *Money, Money Prices, and the Socialist Calculation Debate*.



Cockshott proposes trial-and-error procedures to sett prices and quantities; and it's knowledge about what's in stock in physical terms together with the lv consumer market response that they get to what is then treated as given and known. And the plan is then set in physical terms taking account of technical ratios, not in terms of labor vouchers.

Steven Horwitz is an "Austrian economist philosopher". I suppose what you refer to is just an older version of this essay that's on his website: "Monetary Calculation and Mises's Critique of Planning" (1998). This extremely repetitive article is just a rehash of statements by Mises that Cockshott etc. have already heard hundreds of times. Mises claimed that it is only possible to evaluate the importance of the different means of production and constantly re-evaluate in light of changing conditions, when they are privately owned and exchanged on a market, the prices then giving that information. This is false. It is enough to have a market for consumer goods and use the feedback from that to re-evaluate the means of production, which is what Cockshott and Cottrell propose.

Horwitz says: "Langean accounting prices cannot be distillations of the dispersed and subjective knowledge of market actors because there are no acts of monetary exchange and calculation that would draw out that knowledge." This is false. The Lange model also has markets for consumer goods.




Dialectic of enlightenment appears in both left & right lists…

TBH I don't think anyone's reading enough Frankfurt school these days, even on /leftpol/ (and given how Jordan Peterson misrepresents them, I doubt many on the right do either). Adorno should be one of the first suggestions when people are beginning to critique capitalism, Marx/Bakunin should come later as they're thinking about possible alternatives.




>>Bowling for Columbine but no Ken Loach

Land & Freedom - Ken loach: It's right in the middle.

(Agree there could be more Ken though)



>1984 should be understood as Orwell criticizing the USSR.

I think that's a bit of an oversimplification.

I see it as an extension of the themes of 'Homage to Catalonia', ie. The power of media control, manufacturing consent and manipulating discourse by the culture industry.*

Obviously these critiques apply to the USSR**, but they could have equally been a warning for the west.

*Most of these terms come from the Frankfurt school, who only got started years after Orwell's death. I guess that shows how influential and prescient he was.

**People say Orwell didn't know what life was like in the USSR, but in some of his essays during the war he says the signs were there for anyone to see, even in official propaganda if you put the clues together (like the Iraq war I guess). Most normies just take things at face value though.




>Anyone who has actually read Marcuse? Thoughts on him?

Not read but heard some podcasts about, seems pretty legit IMO. Gets criticised as defeatist, but I think we can all see that ending capitalism is gonna be really hard. It's important to pick the right battles.

That said, seems like his solution is 'just make lefty art lol'. Seeing how capital has culture stitched up as tightly as it does the democratic institutions, I think that might be a waste of time too.



Evola is difficult to jump right into. Most of his works are not really dealing with issues in a materialistic way but rather talks about the metaphysical and symbolism. You can take for example mystery of the grail by Evola and I do not think the average person would really get a good grasp of what the things said entail. The hermetic tradition is another such book. hermetic stuff would not really align with an average /pol/ user his views it's quite a different take on things and hard to grasp. I do think the ones who read him and actually understood him are much smarter than the rest but this is a very tiny part and it are mostly a few anons on 8pol.

I would actually recommend him if you're interested in such topics but otherwise the people would just not comprehend him.


It was meant as a warning to both non liberal ideologies (fascism and communism) that it would eventually just turn into what he described in his book 1984.

An important theme in the book was that it came from an all powerful state. In this state the citizens were fully subject to whatever the state saw fit the citizenry should believe in. Therefore the conclusions from the media control, manufacturing consent were obvious conclusions to take if you would have such a state. If the state would come under attack in such a situation, it means that its a threat to the country so those measures should be taken to remove any potential threat to the state their stability.

Obviously the same applies in the modern day to capital and international global markets. The global markets rule countries and people. Defying them would not really be accepted, the media will start campaigns against such a person. This is because the ones who are in charge of media corps themselves benefit a lot from those markets. It makes any position to target and attack the system really difficult in the west as well. It's just not done from a state but through the liberty granted by liberalism. The influence that big business has can cause a similar effect to that with an all powerful state. Though direct censorship measures, interference by law and such would be much harder to accomplish (of course still possible one just has to account for many more factors).

Most normies do take things at face value, it's why I said in my reply to the other anon about Evola that the average reader and pol user wouldn't get anything out of his works.


He was a social democrat, like the ones you can encounter in many European countries. His main ideology would be liberalism and its a read thread through many of his books. That individual rights should be respected and should come before those of the state. While some other ideologies / political movements such as a monarchy, feudalism, aristocracy, fascism and also the state controlled communism had it the other way around.


File: 476511a9012c46d⋯.jpg (69.84 KB, 960x612, 80:51, main-qimg-21e3d18a66000cad….jpg)


>He was a social democrat, like the ones you can encounter in many European countries. His main ideology would be liberalism…

Orwell is more of a libertarian socialist than socdem.

In Homage to Catalonia he says life in anarcho-syndicalist Barcelona really radicalised him to socialism, and also that with hindsight he should have fought with the anarchists rather than the syndicalists.

Orwell is somewhere in this image, and those hats are red and black.

Later, in The Lion and The Unicorn he argues that the second world war will inevitably highlight to Britons the absurdities and inefficiencies of capitalism, and so democratic socialism was inevitable. He was right in a sense as immediately after the war Britain got socialised healthcare, free housing and nationalisation of the major industries, but I think the reality was more socdem than he expected.



I know this post is months old but that review by Asimov is pretty bad. For one thing, Asimov treats Orwell like a science fiction writer attempting to predict the future. He was doing no such thing. If anything, Orwell was basically putting together everything he saw around him in the 1940s. The press censorship, the rationing, the lack of consumer goods, the constantly shifting political narratives, the arrest and disappearance of political dissidents, the never-ending war with always changing pretexts - this wasn't science fiction but rather what was actually happening in many countries during his time.

If you read Orwell's earlier books and some of his essays then you begin to notice the significance of many details in Nineteen Eighty-Four. Animal Farm was a satire of the USSR, but many of the details in Nineteen Eighty-Four could have applied equally to the UK, Germany, USSR, or any number of countries.


>He was a social democrat, like the ones you can encounter in many European countries.

Orwell wasn't a typical European social democrat. He hoped (and argued for) a revolution that would establish real socialism. He wanted to see working people in charge of society.




File: dabd50ef53a3396⋯.jpg (62.12 KB, 400x633, 400:633, 9781840226997.jpg)


Should I read Capital volume I which has like 1000 pages. Or the abridged version which has 300 some and include volume(1-3). Pic related is the 1000 paged(fucking huge)



read capital volume 1 unabridged. expect to read it over a period of 2-3 months, take notes, and summarize as you go. Underline passages that appear significant to you. look up definitions for words that you don't understand.

there will be passages that seem confusing, but it's not because the ideas are complicated - it's because Marx will often restate the same idea different ways in order to better explain his point. he did not write capital to confuse people, so give yourself credit and don't assume that you're too dumb to understand the book.



Are teaching classes any good? Recommend any?



I haven't watched any online classes about Capital, so I can't recommend any. Stay away from David Harvey - he has written articles & made statements that are obviously incorrect re: Marx.



Not the guy you were asking, but I'm pretty sure Wolff has lectures on Capital.



Have you checked www.libgen.io? I can also look for an ebook version over my university library when I get home.


Any good books on anarchist squats and communes?



Alright, I couldn't find it through my university library so I did some digging. The two books you linked are in the public domain and digitised by Google, not by the HathiTrust or whatever. This means that you should be able to download this freely, however, this is what HathiTrust has to say about public domain books digitised by Google:

>Public Domain or Public Domain in the United States, Google-digitized: In addition to the terms for works that are in the Public Domain or in the Public Domain in the United States above, the following statement applies: The digital images and OCR of this work were produced by Google, Inc. (indicated by a watermark on each page in the PageTurner). Google requests that the images and OCR not be re-hosted, redistributed or used commercially. The images are provided for educational, scholarly, non-commercial purposes.

>Note: There are no restrictions on use of text transcribed from the images, or paraphrased or translated using the images.

Google doesn't want whole books reproduced for commercial purposes. But since they aren't actually allowed to stop you from downloading it they decided to make it difficult.

You can actually download the book page by page, by clicking the "Download this page (PDF)" and then merging all the pages together in a PDF editor after.

Happy book downloading!



wget can download the pages and the filenames are predictable, just the "seq=page_number" part changes to denote the page.

So here's a super-simple bash script that will download every page. You get the link by right-clicking on the "Download this page (PDF)" link and then copying it. You can see how to modify/write the script, notice the $i in the arguments.

<This is for the Stories of the Cave People


for i in {1..173}
wget -O $target $link
sleep 5

echo all done

<This is for the Rhymes of Early Jungle Folk


for i in {1..173}
wget -O $target $link
sleep 5

echo all done

The 5s of sleep are because I started getting a 503 error, probably because there is a limit on how many requests you can make.

This method should work for any book for which you can download a single page.



Sometimes it still misses pages. Just check which downloaded files are 0 bytes, and redownload those by modifying the "for i in {1..173}" part to include the missing pages, for example: for i in 110 134 78 98 100







Feel free to rewrite it in any language you wish.


they had slaves>>66772

isnt leftisit system everyone is slave to state (rulling class) and not strong courts to oppose them. I recall a chinese lawyer being amazed that a the gov would obey a judges ruling against gov in Australia/UK





what did anon meme by this?


can anyone get Most's The science of revolutionary warfare? can't get it anywhere


File: a9e61f36d97a7ec⋯.jpg (120.76 KB, 576x809, 576:809, knapp-rir-new.jpg)

Just started reading this. Not much about the Rojavan economics but pretty interesting stuff compared to liberal economics books i usually read.


/brit/ here. Been interested in reading Seamus Milne's The Enemy Within, about muh mines muh Thatcher. Do any of you lefties have a pdf of it to post?



There's an epub from libgen: https://layer01.club/MKwr.epub



Post some cool excerpts from it in the Rojava thread.


Is there a flowchart for anarchism? SPecially Anacho-Primitivism



I must be retarded because it is clearly here. Any Individualist Anarchist book recommendations?



Individualist anarchism is stupid, don't bother.




ITT retards who didn't realize Utopia was a cautionary tale.



Late reply as I forgot about asking on this board, but thanks for this. Looks really interesting. I think I first read a recommendation of it from Peter Hitchens, and I must recommend his books to all of you. They all relate to a similar convergence between Tory and Labour and their national vandalism, but from a more cultural and moral point; that BASED TORIES TM have been the enemy of conservatism even before Cameron, and that Blair was still influenced by generally (destructive) 'left wing' values, even though he ditched Marxist economics, and likely is characterised as 'right-wing' for his Thatcherite economics on this board. Especially I recommend Cameron Delusion, that can be read easily in a single sitting one afternoon you might hsve spare time, and Abolition of liberty, well researched, written and very informative and insightful. Laugh at this post if you will, but you might be surprised.

Okay, thank you.

t. /brit/pol ambassador


Catholic Socialism thread? >>1128



File: 32674557cf89d0d⋯.pdf (5.36 MB, A-Certain-Amount-of-Madnes….pdf)

I've only read parts of this so far, but it's a newer book so I thought I'd spread it around for those interested. The book has sections written by many different authors on the life, politics and legacy of Thomas Sankara. I was going to post a few quotes on sections that I enjoyed but I'll just post some good chapters to take a look at as a sample of the work

>Chapter 9: Sankara's Humanist Marxism by Ernest Harsch

>Chapter 1: Military Coup, Popular Revolution or Militarised Revolution? by De-Valera N.Y.M. Botchway and Moussa Traore



My review of PARECOMIC (2013), written by Sean Michael Wilson, drawn by Carl Thompson, lettering by some font (thank God it's not Comic Sans)

It's an infodump comic about Michael Albert's life and the participatory-economics vision he has worked on (with Robin Hahnel) ★★★★☆

About 200 pages tell you in black and white about Albert's life as a student activist, the general political climate in the US during the 60s and 70s and beyond, the founding of the alternative media projects South End Press (closed in 2014) and Z Communications with Lydia Sargent; and many progressive authors make an appearance or are mentioned in passing: Barbara Ehrenreich, Bertell Ollman, Noam Chomsky of course, and so on (while these folks are to the left of what's considered respectable opinion by the establishment, I wouldn't call any of them Marxist except Ollman).

The cover picture tells you it's all about this smug wanker standing in front of the United States Capitol telling you how to solve all problems of society, but inside it's warts and all. The drawings, whether of friend or foe, don't make them look cool or sexy. An old Michael Albert, often looking tired, takes you back to a time where a young Albert is full of… being even more tired and grumpy (and, on rare occasion, on drugs). There's a scene where young Albert gives a passionate speech and doesn't get any reaction from the students. Why would you tell people about that event? It's an honest piece.

The first part of it is brilliant, densely weaving together personal anecdotes and reflections on them and developments in society at large, peppered with quotes from Aristotle to Springsteen. Some parts are not, like when Albert drones on and on about what a great pal Chomsky is, gets some prize handed to him by Mikhail Gorbachev (eww), or the part where a fictional Marx gets convinced that Parecon is the way (it's just ah-yes-yes, poor Marx doesn't even get in one zinger). Especially towards the end, the visuals show too much people talking instead of visualizing what they are talking about. When you have long text and the font is all caps, it's good to make liberal use of highlighting. If there's another edition of PARECOMIC, I hope they'll do that (for example, I would bold all names). It ends with a good short essay by Albert summing up the Parecon position.

The Pareconists make good points about what they call the coordinator class, and that this isn't just the top 1 %, but more realistically about 20 % of the working-age population.

They advocate for rewarding duration and intensity of work. They say it's unfair to reward people for productivity differences that come from having different tools available to them, which I agree with, but then they also talk about having talent like having a tool – as if that slippery word had a fixed and precise function in spoken language. A tool can be easily swapped between people, unlike talent. And is it really that far-fetched to say that the reason that one is willing to work longer hours than another person has to do with different tolerance for dreadful repetitive tasks, and that this is partially an inherent character trait, and why not call that a kind of ability, a kind of talent? So, why give people more for working more? Because it's practical. And rewarding differences in some other traits looks practical to me, too. I'm not worried that this would lead to an extreme concentration of wealth as we have it now, since I am convinced that most of that comes from the private ownership of the means of production and concentrated control over salary decisions.



having healthy relationships with my community and not living inside a coercive system is decidedly in my self interest but ok


File: 124231b53c6bed3⋯.jpg (99.16 KB, 309x475, 309:475, Leviathan(book).jpg)


>try to read this book

>60 pages in

>to dense

What do I do? Just power through it?


File: 7c17217d21f6e69⋯.jpg (34.3 KB, 332x499, 332:499, 51iaClK0sCL._SX330_BO1,204….jpg)

reading about the history of the second kkk now and it is amazing how unoriginal the anti-immigrant and anti-semitic talking point /pol/ loves to use are.

>Inconsistency also enabled the Klan to express grievances flexibly and in some instances to avoid deeper inquiry about the sources of those grievances. jews functioned in klan discourse to resolve contradictory attitudes toward capitalism and commercialism: by projecting lust for money onto "the Jew," Klansmen could adjudje their own profit-seeking as honorable, as we will see in the next chapter. Catholics' alledged authoritarian suppressed questions about Klanspeople's own submissiveness to their unaccountable leaders. Similarly, the Klan worldview blocked inquiry into the actual causes of small entrepreneurs' and family farmers' declining forturnes. Blaming immigrants for "stealing" "American" jobs ignored employers' search for cheap labor. Blaming Jews and Catholics for introducing vice ignored the profit motive behind the entertainment and advertising industries' exploitation of sexual desire and the liquor industry's profits.



I’ve never read the book but I’d say power through as long as you’re understanding the content. Sometimes with denser works I’ll read sections twice and pick up a lot more the second time through



>Sometimes with denser works I’ll read sections twice and pick up a lot more the second time through

I do that with Leviathan a lot. It being in olde english as well as super-dence makes it a hard read.


Brainlit here. Can someone tell me what Kant and Nietzsche disagreed on?



he disagreed with his framework of morality and really didn't like the categorical imperative as a concept because it would require creating a universal moral standard, which Nietzsche didn't think was possible

From beyond good and evil, aphorism 187

>Even apart from the value of such claims as "There is in us a categorical imperative," we can still always ask: What does such a claim express about the person making it? There are moralities which are intended to justify their creators before other people; other moralities are meant to calm him down and make him satisfied with himself; with others he wants to nail himself to the cross and humiliate himself; with others he wants to practise revenge; with others to hide himself; with others to be transfigured and set himself above, high up and far away. This morality serves its originator so that he forgets; that morality so that he or something about him is forgotten; some moralists may want to exercise their power and creative mood on humanity, some others, perhaps even Kant as well, want us to understand with their morality: "What is respectable about me is that I can obey - and things should be no different for you than they are for me" - in short, moralities are also only a sign language of the feelings.


all socialism is utopia figuratively and literally





>communization section

>all Tiqquin and no Dauve



File: a7b1a6b47213878⋯.pdf (3.2 MB, Theodore W. Allen - The In….pdf)

File: e2620c2aff66295⋯.pdf (4.41 MB, Theodore W. Allen - The In….pdf)



Read the intro which talked about how difficult the text was even to a seasoned Marxist and noped out.


File: c8f49f942b8ef3d⋯.png (695.51 KB, 881x834, 881:834, ClipboardImage.png)

See we can all be friends despite the fedora edginess of the /pol/ dude LARPing as a brocialist



>insurrectionary anarchism

>comité invisiblé


I don't think so.


File: 60c259da694bf6c⋯.jpg (238.17 KB, 794x1123, 794:1123, GREEN (1).jpg)



that sounds fucking stupid, anon. the jews made the reich. jews pushed communism in germany which escalated people's support for the NSDAP and hitler.


File: 3da4e2ef2c19a9e⋯.jpg (1.29 MB, 929x1201, 929:1201, nazijewmanyrant.jpg)


It's true. Read this, and make copies for yourself.



Fromm was a revisionist in the Frankfurt school and was a loser. Adorno and Horkheimer only. Debord if you gay condescension.


Scuse me "if you LIKE gay condescension"


File: a368303dc0fa869⋯.jpg (117.12 KB, 397x612, 397:612, jhp5a8ffc0d52d0e.jpg)

recently read pic related.

The author's critiques of stirner felt kind of incomplete and it felt like he was trying too hard to sanitize Stirner's philosophy and make it appear more in line with marxism but overall still worth reading imo.

One other thing i noticed was that the book's introduction, which was supposed to go over the history of stirner as a philosopher and how he inspired other philosophers, failed to mention stirner's influence on Adolf Brand and the gay rights movement in Europe. This isn't deal breaking by any means but it is an interesting bit of history that wasn't mentioned



yeah I watched Zero Books vid on Stirner he didnt read Stirner Critics (for that vid at least) or even Stirner's bio completely only the wikipedia article at best. Dude is lacking but meh not everyone is always really interested in Stirner.


File: 6e6ace5e30e83da⋯.jpeg (25.55 KB, 239x268, 239:268, confused looking anime gi….jpeg)

Can someone help me with a question? I was having an argument with one of my professors about Foucault (this was a class on the middle east btw, but the topic shifted to Foucault and postmodernism) and the professor kept claiming that Foucault was a marxist. I brought up that Foucault was much more influenced by Nietzsche than Marx and that postmodernism was in a lot of ways anti-marxist and he told me that Foucault got his ideas on discourse and truth from reading the 11 theses on Feaurbach and the German Ideology. I've read the theses and still have no idea what the connection to Foucault is.

Am i brainlet or my teacher full of shit?



I cannot speak for the guy, but I would think that he is talking about Foucault's geneological method being a critique of Marx's "false consciousness," which is definitely not the same thing as being a marxist. The professor is probably just another typical liberal pomo, like so many that you will run into in academia.


File: 83bfcaab99cc21b⋯.jpg (26.38 KB, 400x484, 100:121, ecosystem-work.jpg)

Requesting books on Ecosocialism, prefer state related socialism but anarchism is also welcome.


File: 854c18d9e456e6d⋯.png (1.5 MB, 1074x1598, 537:799, CommunalistReadingList.png)


When the fuck are you all going to wake up and realize that all of this utopia shit is just a fantasy and only works on paper? I mean, come on! Get real! Literally hundreds of thousands of people all over the world tried building Utopias and they all lasted anywhere from a few months to a few years but, invariably, they all failed because you cannot create a perfect system with imperfect beings because the imperfections will always be inherent in the plans and in the execution of those plans so get real and forget about socialism because it always results in disaster.



Fromm was a revisionist in Frankfurt post no.854921


need a reading list for Structuralism, btw


Communism is nothing but centralised capitalism, with the state being a single giant company that turns all its subjects into nothing more than a means to produce capital for the state. The state then pays its subjects what it believes they deserve. If people need to starve, lose all their autonomy, or lose their lives to keep the state afloat, than so be it. Nothing is more important than the state.

Communism exists as a movement and has been the sole identity of many countries.

Capitalisms modern meaning was invented by communists. Capitalism never existed as an ideology, No country has Identified as capitalist. Everything that isn't communist is called capitalist by communists. Humans and countries and companies have been accumulating capital since the stone age. Anyone can be accused of being capitalist. It is a meaningless term much like racism. 1



>mad at communists because doesn't understand what words mean

Read a book, nigger. That's what this thread is for.


File: eb2b723c7462e1a⋯.jpg (40.95 KB, 260x400, 13:20, 61V TLD2x2L._AC_SY400_.jpg)

I read this translation of Thomas Moore's Utopia. It's the most nazbol shit ever. It's also pretty neocon as well. However it is proto-socialist and it's worth reading.



>proto socialism

I never got this distinction. What's the difference between socialism and proto socialism? One is utopian and one is grounded in science and the modern world? I don't feel that's a fair distinction when More's society is attainable without modern day context of capitalism or science.



>What's the difference between socialism and proto socialism?

Industrial production, but then that guy is just throwing out terms willy-nilly.




Daily reminder that guy murdered his wife for the lulz.



So did Marx. All good men kill their wives. It is a final sign of love.



Gib proofz faggot. Marx had a very loving relationship with his wife.



I don't get it..



I think that it is some kind of weeb in-joke.


File: fa904a16f4f7300⋯.jpg (43.86 KB, 435x436, 435:436, althusser.jpg)


not an argument



One of the best theorists ever 💘



Bookchin would be alright if he wasn't such a Zionist shill


was there any concrete unbiased books on Pol Pot's regime? though preferably in favour??



Check the declassified CIA documents.



>Muh cia funded Pol Pot.



>implying he wasn't



I don't care. you're a faggot.



I bet you wear glasses.


File: d61eeda51d33dbc⋯.jpg (160.05 KB, 1000x1291, 1000:1291, bf91edca7ad667a870eae38a4b….jpg)




What the fuck is wrong with that use of bash? I detest bash but this is so trivial it doesnt matter. Whats disgusting about that post is that he just creates variables for no goddamn reason that just get used literally once.

wget -O marcy_$i^.pdf 'http//shitshit.shit/shit/shit/PASDGFIHSAGPIOHEAGPHEWQRIGPOWOGIPHJFUCK='$i^'MORE=FUCK'; sleep 5;



I wasn't making an argument. I was just saying he killed his wife for the lulz. Which he did.



He had a blackout psychotic episode and didnt know what he was doing, no bully


>have to read a bunch of postcolonial stuff for school

<author unironically starts arguing that universalist concepts of human rights are orientalism because they don't respect the knowledge produced by local cultures

I know that rights in general are mainly just bourgeois nonsense but come the frick on



Just bear in mind that you are not there to actually learn anything. You are just there to obtain a piece of paper that says that you learned some things. It's just a job.





check out the sections on fascism and soviet union


File: 8c2fbbe16900f7e⋯.jpg (199.43 KB, 1109x1169, 1109:1169, ThomasHobbs.jpg)

Capitalism is the state of war. I’ve been reading Leviathan lately (I’m far from finished) and I thing while it’s dubious if primitive societies were what Hobbs would call “A state of war.” Modern Capitalism defiantly is. It’s a bunch of Porkies ruthlessly competing against each other for profits. To the point where they are willing to decrease the size of the pie so long as they get a bigger slice. (See falling rate of profit). No capitalist can be satisfied with what he already has because if he remains at his current spot in the hierarchy his competitor might overtake him. As such the capitalist must always be strive to move up, to accumulate more capital, and to have his business be more profitable. Even if capitalists all agree to “price fix” to keep profitability up, one will eventually backstab the rest if it is profitable, to increase his slice of a smaller pie. So while capitalists as a class would benefit from collusion, their will always be opportunities for backstabbers to score super profits, and it only takes one capitalist to undercut prices, to force the other to do the rest. This theory can be applied to nation-states as well. Where we have the US and China compete with each other over access to African resources. While it would be beneficial to both to start colluding, this will never happen, because of the framework of competition.


File: 5f077c182ec0d3a⋯.jpg (241.78 KB, 1200x1142, 600:571, When commie posts pick up_….jpg)


Coming from a capitalist, you are absolutely right. In theory and often times in practice, it is that ever-ruthless competition driving prices down which allows the lower classes to, in a sense, profit off the competition of the capitalist (porkie) class. The lower classes save money they would have otherwise spent and forward themselves, the wisest of them pushing themselves into the middle class or upper class by the exploitation of the lower prices for their socioeconomic gain.

Price fixing a shit tho, and it always will be for the lower classes (because only the porkie class is benefitting during such times, obviously).

Human competition, ain't it a sight to behold?

(pic is just a meme, don't take it personally)



>it is that ever-ruthless competition driving prices down which allows the lower classes to, in a sense profit off the competition of the capitalist (porkie) class.

Indeed, but the nature of that "profit" must come at the expense of their collective paychecks, since that is ultimately where the cost-cutting must come from.



Hobbes is a smart man

been reading these:

Ferdinand Tönnies - "Community and Society"

a good critique of usury and rural v urban relations (the rural community vs. urban individualism and how capitalism divides up people once the enter a mechanized society). He was influenced by Thomas Hobbes but was critical of the nazis.

Jacques Camatte - "The World We Must Leave"

good analysis of how capitalism dominates the world and the only way to get out of loop is to leave for "greener pastures" since revolutionism and activism have been poisoned to by capital and are ineffective against the machines of capital so escaping society "innawoods" and living off the land is the only way. good pessimistic communism.

Eugen Fink "Play As A Symbol Of The World"

a nice take on how leisure is important for a healthy society

Anthony Ludovici - really anything I can get my hands on, he critiques democracy and liberalism and feminism and was a disciple of Nietzsche. a bit too pro-aristocracy for this board but good and knowledgeable. not for sjws. he was often forgotten, for a good reason (not a reason I advocate, but I digress) because of how harsh he was on the human condition.

most of this is not philosophy proper but more sociology and economics stuff.



Postcolonial theory is mostly nonsense. The East respects philosophy of different cultures more so than the West does and is farther along than the rest of us and this should be common sense



Just what the hell postcolonial theory is?



It's like marxist theory but you replace capitalism with white people.


File: 120b9813a7989fe⋯.jpg (43.44 KB, 600x331, 600:331, IMG_20190612_214400_138.JPG)


>wypipo tribe bad

>wypipo tribe reactionary

>wypipo tribe no have proletariat only labor aristocracy

>read Sakai/Rodney/Fannon's cave paintings

>listen to MIM shamans

>all settler tribe caves inherently racist


>Marx shaman bad

>wuz wypipo tribe


File: 88aaeb3687ed80b⋯.pdf (874.33 KB, THE COLLECTED ESSAYS OF J.….pdf)

File: 740f6a8cbf7d51e⋯.pdf (159.03 KB, collected essays (short es….pdf)

Wrote some shit

[Return][Go to top][Catalog][Nerve Center][Cancer][Post a Reply]
Delete Post [ ]
[ / / / / / / / / / / / / / ] [ dir / b2 / choroy / dempart / klpmm / pdfs / randamu / veganism / vichan ]