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File: 49caf6e0b418de8⋯.jpg (294.7 KB, 800x550, 16:11, e1ef91295b33b0066a68f1fcf1….jpg)

 No.1[Reply]

Read the Rules and FAQ before posting

Board Log: https://sys.8ch.net/log.php?board=leftpol

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/leftpol/ is a left wing board. If you want to argue with /leftpol/ about not socialism, race realism, Zionism, The invisible hand, the political implications of your infidelity fetish, or any other dustbin theories, Post it in containment instead. otherwise off-topic OPs will be pruned.

FAQ

-Why are there two leftypols now?

The leftypol board owner banned people for defending the Kurdish factions in the Syrian war, on the basis that they were supported by the USA and were thus tools of US imperialism. Unable to post on, and unhappy with, the moderation of leftypol, this board was created.

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 No.143627

>>143448

>>143572

It's really difficult to go after him since he always has a new IP and his message can't be easily filtered.




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 No.1128[Reply]

I started reading Thomas More's Utopia recently and was wondering if we could get a thread going about left wing literature. Anyone else read this and have thoughts on the book? Can it be considered proto-socialist?

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 No.141621

>>141616

>it is that ever-ruthless competition driving prices down which allows the lower classes to, in a sense profit off the competition of the capitalist (porkie) class.

Indeed, but the nature of that "profit" must come at the expense of their collective paychecks, since that is ultimately where the cost-cutting must come from.




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 No.1025[Reply]

If we're moving here we may as well bring the best part of /leftypol/ along with us.

Movies, anime, music, feels, e-celebs, internet drama, fetishes and shitposting ITT

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 No.143453

>>143160

nofunallowed.pdf


 No.143462

File: 31b429b428688a5⋯.gif (650.11 KB, 647x363, 647:363, 1388580766301.gif)

Is theanarchistlibrary.org dead? It times out for me.


 No.143595

>>125658

>They do talk a lot about feminism, minorities and immigration on their podcast, and they hardly ever talk about work

So basically typical western radlib media


 No.143630

>>131140

Convince me to be an leftist while I stare at that image


 No.143665

Is this bourgeois propaganda?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo1WouI38rQ




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 No.143177[Reply]

This is my ideal society. Please critique it.

Peace. All wars ended. No soldier shall cross the border. No weapons or "advisors" shall cross the border. Soldiers only allowed in their designated zones, and the border. In the event of a border invasion or some far off country is throwing missiles, only immediate retaliation is allowed. No lengthy campaigns to invade, occupy lands, capturing capitals, etc.

Land. Every citizen at 18yrs of age is given a standard X amount of acres. They are the sole legal owners. Upon death, they can leave it to 1 heir, or its taken by the state to be redistributed. Only 1 property per citizen. Its a long project, but eventually all land will be neatly divided. No existing properties will be "stolen" by the state. But they will buy existing properties when they can and combine/cut up them up to create these standard acreage sizes.

Bread. Government will have the sole right to work all natural resources: mines (metals, uranium, chalk, etc) lumber, fish, water, etc and use those profits to 1. take place of taxes 2. Provide a basic income in terms of basic food requirements.

These government properties are exempt from "Land" distribution.

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 No.143550

>>143191

Heard Michael Hudson refer to this guy as a right-winger recently in the context of "the socialists and right-wingers like Henry George". I don't get it, how was he on the right?


 No.143579

bump


 No.143648

>>143550

because he's agrarian, and some fucks think rural folks are petit bourgeois. fuck em.


 No.143649

>>143330

>If not, then what's the point of a state?

Oh buddy do I have a treat for you. https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-state-its-historic-role


 No.143664

>>143177

>Peace

Already impossible.




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 No.143658[Reply]

Should worker cooperative members also join unions of top-down capitalist business employees? Do unions still have a role to play in democratic workplaces, at least as long as capitalist businesses exist alongside them?

 No.143660

>Should worker cooperative members also join unions of top-down capitalist business employees?

Idealistically, no, because that gives companies more of a chance to exploit them. Until capitalism vanishes I don't see a reason to.

Do unions still have a role to play in democratic workplaces, at least as long as capitalist businesses exist alongside them?

>Do unions still have a role to play in democratic workplaces, at least as long as capitalist businesses exist alongside them?

Tough question. They should have a role but until capitalist businesses cease to exist we can't have a truly Democratic workforce.


 No.143662

File: 730883dc848efee⋯.png (291.05 KB, 736x414, 16:9, era of good feelings.png)

>Should worker cooperative members also join unions of top-down capitalist business employees?

Perhaps not directly, but affiliation between umbrella groups of coops, and labor unions in the bourgeois economy, are common. For instance in South America's recovered factory movement.

>Do unions still have a role to play in democratic workplaces

In a wholly democratic economy, something resembling unions with the approximate function of political parties might become necessary to nurture new policy ideas and resolve popular disagreements about them.


 No.143663

Nobody should ever work.




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 No.143084[Reply]

The new BO is just a crony of the old one an just as bad.

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 No.143641

>>143610

>where men should still have the burden of all of their traditionalist responsibilities.

Oh, don't worry about feminists reinforcing or at best completely ignoring such practices. Since they're caused by "toxic masculinity", attacks on "the patriarchy" will magically resolve them, just like it didn't in the 1st-world:

https://www.avoiceformen.com/gynocentrism/the-myth-of-patriarchal-oppression-in-iran/


 No.143656

>>143610

in the dustbin of history. no one is ever gonna be truly equal, fuck off with your utopian dreams


 No.143657

also feminism wouldn't work anywhere, and by that I mean be "efficient" not in the sense of it being "implemented". women are hypergamous even within themselves and will strive to eventually silence men, resulting in a might is right society where stronger men (by virtue of having testosterone) will crush them. women can't help but act antisocial and need much more control than males do.


 No.143659

>>143656

>egalitarianism

>vulgar total star trek borg equality

>not simply fairness


 No.143661

>>143659

One of the simple lessons to learn is "life is not fair"




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 No.142310[Reply]

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 No.143568

>>143099

>>143549

bruh they interrupted the socialist side so much even the ad breaks were placed to cut them off


 No.143577

>>142409

>using /pol/ meme


 No.143652

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>>143549

In spite of all the obstructionism, a pretty decent performance. About the worst thing they didn't directly dispute was the "muh buttstraps" argument, which uses the hard work of many capitalists to justify their success, while ignoring that equally hardworking and deserving competitors failed, simply because the zero sum structure of capitalism itself restricts the number of slots available for the fulfillment of human potential, leaving the final gate of success for capitalists up to sheer dumb luck.


 No.143654

>>142954

by greater society, this is true. most people are self-centered by nature and you expect people to work democratically? you're outta your mind. society, not just men, place greater expectations on other men to be just, women just "are"


 No.143655

>>143577

Is it a meme if it is true tho?

Go to any "leftist" association in america and that's exactly what you will see.




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 No.143270[Reply]

Hello everyone, upcoming eceleb vaush got butthurt that he got a strike on his youtube account for hatespeech. We've heard this story time and time again, the very dipshits who believe in deplatforming are BAMBOOZLED when they lose their platform too. If the left wants any chance to get its message out in the internet age, it cannot be handing over all the control to tech monopolies.

I've been saying this since 2015 and have been getting shit for it but fuck you I've been right this entire time. I was mocked for arguing in bad faith and secretly being a reactionary because I didn't want porky to have unilateral control over political expression. The typical woke retards who push for this stuff all too easily find themselves on the opposite end of the boot, not understanding that free speech for leftists also means free speech for rightists, as much chagrin as that may cause you.

And it's always a radlib, they always support the woke SJW crap. As the years have gone on I have less and less sympathy for these tards as they easily swing their guns towards leftists they perceive less pure than themselves (Pierre trudank vs batko being one example). We've seen the results of /leftypol/ and what powertripping mods can do, and how it can easily kill discussion.

Nazbol is the only solution.

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 No.143638

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>>143605

>It's not an issue of them being ideologically unsound, it's a consequence of their position in the state apparatus.

This isn't a problem unique to states, or even to political representatives. Anything that needs supporters or members is constantly tempted to water itself down for broader appeal, rather than holding fast to attract true believers or properly acculturate people before they join.

>When they broke with this to elect socialists, they admitted it was a mistake afterwards.

I don't think the war was winnable, at least not without the kind of support abroad nobody was willing to lend them. The only strategy for victory would've been to externally undermine or internally subvert the military and other social reservoirs of reaction before hostilities could erupt.

Also, most of that article's complaints are about the sparseness, uselessness, or perfidy of international aid, rather than intransigence or sabotage by the republican government itself. I've seen opinions touching more directly on participation though, which instead argue the lukewarm leftist electoral victory was what prompted a military coup, and the government that would've resulted without anarchist intervention wouldn't have accelerated into fascism so severely. I don't buy that either, given the outcomes of Germany, Italy, etc.

>your position is in line with socdems or even leninists

My position is the goal of a society structured in an anarchic way. As long as each step I take, takes us closer to that goal rather than diverting in a contrary direction, I am an anarchist.

>Did you buy into the "libertarian is when the gubbermint is nice" meme

Government≠state. Government is the process by which groups think about and act on decisions, states are the exclusive monopoly of force and dominance over a place and/or population.

>based upon idealism supporting abstractions.

Just because capitalism has to reduce most of liberalism to airy spooks remote from daily life, doesn't mePost too long. Click here to view the full text.


 No.143639

>>143620

Just enough squabbling to keep people distracted from class consciousness, not enough to destroy significant amounts of human capital.

>>143631

>>143637

Opposing mass economic migration≠opposing the migrants it already drove here

Also

>If it's not immigrants

and

>If it's not outsourcing

then

>it's going to be contractors.

How exactly does that work with labor pools sealed shut against human rights arbitrage at the borders, and porky asphyxiating against the pressure of rapidly increasing leverage for the working class?


 No.143646

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>>143638

>This isn't a problem unique to states, or even to political representatives

It's a problem of hierarchy, of which states and party formations are perfect examples of.

>My position is the goal of a society structured in an anarchic way.

As is that of the leninists and social democrats.

>As long as each step I take, takes us closer to that goal rather than diverting in a contrary direction

Your steps take is further away because you ignore the connection between means and ends as well as the issue of social reproduction. We must use means consistent with anarchist communism if we are to arrive at an anarchist communist society and not some kind of social democracy.

>I am an anarchist who gets things done.

Ok Hilldawg.

>Government≠state

Read Malatesta. https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/errico-malatesta-anarchy

>Just because capitalism has to reduce most of liberalism

Capitalism is the essence of liberals. You're expanding liberalism way outside of it's ideological parameters.

>Leaving aside the fact she flipflopped before actually doing it, that was cribbed right off the Labour platform

The labor party is an openly capitalist party and has been for decades, the memes about corbyn aren't true.

>Basically all flavors of anarchism are built on unions

Only if you take an extremely expansive view on what unions are, similar to what Marxists do with the state.

>not all unions reproduce electoral representation within them

The ones that do are going to be the ones who are supported by your favored policies, and for some reason they tend to be the ones that reliably side with the industry over the workers. The IWW considers trade unions shiPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


 No.143650

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>>143646

>It's a problem of hierarchy

Hierarchy certainly makes it a zillion times worse, but nah, it's an omnipresent problem infecting everything down to pancake-flat open sauce software projects.

>We must use means consistent with anarchist communism if we are to arrive at an anarchist communist society and not some kind of social democracy.

To the extent we're able, yes. But we live under capitalism, we are necessarily behaving in a hierarchic and evil fashion at all times. The most we can do is attempt to prevent making the present system at any given time (i.e.: capitalism right now) worse on our path to anarchy. This is where MLs failed, producing things even more monstrous in many ways than the already abominable status quo they rebelled against.

>Read Malatesta

<1 paragraph aside in the lede of a document translated from spaghettese

>Only if you take an extremely expansive view on what unions are

If you defect from a yellow union with anyone else and strike together, congrats, you've formed a wildcat union. Moreover, remember unionism extends beyond organized labor, encompassing consumer unions of various kinds.

>So outside of any areas of class struggle

Even ignoring my reformist agenda, basically every single anarchist tendency is absolutely infested with them, aside from a smattering of random tiny local branches cut off from the contagion.

>So you finally admit the state is going to sabotage regardless of whatever abstract legal binds on it.

<bad stuff happens therefore anything that prevents it from happening a lot more is dispensable

Even under socialism, people will do bad things. The point is to build a system that minimizes them, not pretend it's possible to eliminate all of them.

>Rather than seeking to become activists, we should seek to operate as a class.

And part of that is raising class consciousness. That doesn'tPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


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 No.143608[Reply]

Under bill signed by governor this week, diabetics will pay no more than $100 a month for insulin

https://www.denverpost.com/2019/05/23/colorado-insulin-price-cap/

 No.143633

Imagine having to pay $100 monthly just to stay alive


 No.143636

>>143633

Imagine having to pay.

Oh wait.


 No.143644

>>143633

and this is the best situation. In the other 49 states you could have to pay like 10x that.


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 No.143215[Reply]

Hey all, here is a thing that I've noticed when it comes to people critiquing any new movie, especially when it comes to things like Star Wars or Star Trek. Everyone thinks that these big corporations are pushing some king of "Left-Wing" agenda when in reality these corporations are only using liberal/feminist talking points as nothing more than a cynical marketing ploy/publicity stunt.

Why don't people ever notice this fact?

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 No.143586

>>143561

>last time I checked, leftypol aren't even proper Tanks, just red liberals.

Tanklib gang, lol


 No.143587

>>143586

>>143561

I still restlessly wait for the day someone unironically makes a political party that's a combination of all previous political ideologies.


 No.143642

>>143559

That was Trotskyites vs. Stalinists/Maoists. ML autism that has nothing to do with us.


 No.143645

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>>143587

Here's a start


 No.143647

>>143559

I've said this also, you either die a Nazbol hero or live long enough as an ancomm to start seeing yourself agree with neoconservatives.




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 No.142449[Reply]

Who should I vote for in the upcoming EU elections? Is there even any point to it?

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 No.143553

>>143536

They like the common market, obviously.


 No.143555

>>143553

Reread the post


 No.143557

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>>143534

>Czechoslovakia


 No.143582

бумп


 No.143643

Vote for whoever you want the EU parliament is just a very weak attempt by an imperialist power to uphold the spectacle of a democratic decision mechanism basically a rubberstamp bullshit organization. I think the best decision is not be complicit in legitimizing neocolonialism and imperalism so staying away from voting you can spend that 30 minutes better.

All these people who hint that you should vote for Orban etc. should really start getting into materialist analysis before they get the wall.




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 No.143249[Reply]

Lenin vs. Kropotkin; choose one

Also consider their allies. For Lenin, that can mean Joseph Stalin and the Bolsheviks, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge, Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, etc. For Kropotkin, that could mean Republican Catalonia/the CNT-FAI, Rojava, Mikhail Bakunin, Murray Bookchin, Noam Chomsky, Rosa Luxemburg, Emma Goldman, etc.

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 No.143535

>>143533

To be honest, I was referring to progroms, not Jews being favored above everyone else.

Makhno shot him since he was a progromist. I don't care that he was, but Makhno wasn't being le antifa.


 No.143538

>>143535

Oh ok.

Anyways this is interesting Agrarian Federalist Left-Populism?

Kind of reminds me the American revolution except inspired by Rousseau instead of Locke. I can get behind that.


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 No.143589

I prefer Bakunin


 No.143640

>>143529

>it's just the way history unfolded

History isn't this thing that 'unfolds' and we just experience what happens. People drive history, specifically class struggle. Read Marx.




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 No.138371[Reply]

A healthy mind inhabits a healthy body.

Modern forms of entertainment like video games and anime are pure poison to the mind, don't be one of those youths whom get entrapped by these crap and waste literally thousands of hours on something that doesn't help you improve anything, your mind won't get sharper, your intellect won't get sharper, your body won't get healthier. It's pure capitalist poison made as escapism to keep the youth tamed and lethargic. With all the thousands of hours you waste on these crap you could've read several books, learned lots of new things, expanded your mind, met new people, made new friends and maybe even gotten a gf. But no, instead you just wasted your time on something that didn't help you achieve anything in life, oh, I've finished that gaem after several hours, yay, yeah congrats, all it did was to help you become a fucking loser IRL because while you wasted your time for nothing other people were actually doing something productive instead, you fucking moron, and by productive I don't mean wageslaving so that their porky boss could buy his 7th yacht this year, no, I mean that they were actually living during this time.

So I recommend you sell your video games, never even look at those faggy retarded chinese cartoons anymore and go outside, chase them gurls, smile, read, LIVE!

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 No.140552

>>140534

I replaced cheap gas station brownies with black berries in my diet as a snack with my pre workout meal.

Bought too many though so now I have to over eat before they expire in a week but it beats weird gmo tier preservative filled one's I guess.


 No.142272

>ooga booga don't enjoy escapism and stay in our shitty reality


 No.142274

>>142272

The purpose of escapism is to make you go out and turn reality into a better world closer to that in said escapist fantasy.


 No.143626

>>140091

Also eat lots of red meat, buy a gun and learn how to shoot.

Even tho a revolution is unlikely to happen during our lifetime it doesn't hurt to be ready for it anyway.


 No.143628

>>140091

>don't do anything that isn't wholesome self-improvement

benis




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 No.108262[Reply]

I’ll start with two examples that are much more common than what they claim. Exhibit A: the anti-fun crusaders browse a diaper-fetish board and display their copies of Evola proudly as the other considers himself a traditionalist. So this is the power of anti-fun

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 No.142205

>>141085

Oh they definitely are, you can still be a far-right white supremacist and hate wignats. It makes sense that a legit far-right group wouldn't want their wignat spagetti to fall out in public.


 No.143424

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 No.143479

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 No.143584

bump


 No.143613

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 No.142678[Reply]

what was the reason for it?

I vaguely remember it as a kid, (I was 3 then), but it seems to stem from this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE

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 No.143187

>>143150

>only abstract concepts exist, concrete people don't

pure idealism


 No.143205

>>143187

I'm pretty idealist myself but that just sounded like the sjw landwhale having a seizure.


 No.143368

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 No.143510

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>>143368

I'm autistic you bigoted faggot


 No.143607

>>143510

And therefore what?




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