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Hello guy's the moderator of /leftpol/ has decided he wants a break. So I'm gunna be moderating the this board for awhile.


>Rules are going to be the same as before.

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A vote (or other decision process) should still be held regardless in relation to the issue. At the very least you could ventilate with Chair and Cheka.

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also why haven't the autodefenses destroyed it yet? Is this beginning of the Third Age of Bui?

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I started reading Thomas More's Utopia recently and was wondering if we could get a thread going about left wing literature. Anyone else read this and have thoughts on the book? Can it be considered proto-socialist?

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I'd still recommend John Scott's Behind The Urals. It's not "objective" but it's an up-close look at Soviet industrialization in the 1930s.

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Why are you wannabe Communists so pacifistic here? Let's create some Cheka death squads, to slaughter the fucking porkies, you faggots!

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>Yes, why don't we just do nothing and accept capitalism…



>Why don't we all obediently ask the beloved capitalists, to give up their power voluntarily …



Yeah behind your post, sure.


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Fuck off, you retarded bootlicker! Suck porkies dick, wagie…


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Yes you are right, we should finally accept that capitalism does not work and so many millions of people have already lost their lives because of it! That's why capitalism finally has to be destroyed!

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What do you consider right wing and what left wing?

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Who is actually genuinely for slavery in this day and age? That definition isn't particularly useful in describing people's actual views.



In the current liberal capitalist political climate it goes as follows:

Far left - anarchists and communists

Left - socialists

Centre-left - social-democrats

Centre - liberals

Centre-right - christian democrats and liberal conservatives, usually grouped in Centrist Democrat International

Right - more conservative christian democrats and liberal conservatives, as well as milder national conservatives

Far-right - national conservatives on steroids, fascists and also literally Hitler


Everyone who is struggling for the universal emancipation of humankind is a leftist, everyone else is right-wing.


Left: capitalism must/will be replaced by workers owning the means of production

Centre: capitalism needs to kept but it does cause serious problems that need active and vigilant fixing and correction

Right: capitalism kicks ass, it doesn't cause any major problems. If any measures are to be taken at all, they are to protect capitalism



>Fascism is left-wing

>Macron is far-right

We did it reddit!

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>hard Brexit occurring

>Tata closing England's last, final steel mill

>multiple non-UK railroads truncating/ending service to avoid taxes

>foreign power companies pulling investment in new plants

>bankers getting fucked by not having any assets left besides real estate and only real estate

I've come to realize that a major Lab revolution is inevitable. Decades of deindustrialization has left this country with shit wages and low tax revenue, which will drop further after Brexit and cause May to start privatizing the NHS which will break her. We're going back to British Leyland, British Steel, and British Rail whether we like it or not. The question is though, who will succeed Corbyn in 20 years?

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That's all what capitalism is really; a messy hodgepodge of cities backstabbing each other over magical numbers on a spreadsheet. It's hardly different from feudal lords backstabbing each other over magical numbers on a scroll somewhere while the people live in garbage.


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>still excited over socdems in electoral politics

Come on fellas, how many more disappointments is it gonna take?



if Corbyn is unsuccessful then Britian will go full fash and purge the american, german and russian porkies in another world war



>Tsipiras was a filthy traitor

>Chavez didn't understand industrialization

>Wagenknecht is clearly years away at best from having a decently performing ideologically purged party

>Sanders cucked out after being cheated

>Melancheon didn't quite get past the 1st round due to party splits

>Corbyn is on track to win it big, having used current electoral success as a mandate to purge centrist filth from the party

>AMLO just entered office, admittedly not doing much yet

Until the ballots close down completely, and my only realistic alternative is livestreaming assassinations


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>the only options we have is impotent terrorism and electoralism with cold war era reformist rhetoric

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when do we start coopting /pol/‘s statue-memes?

>Spartacus is revealed as the most splendid fellow in the whole of ancient history. Great general (no Garibaldi), noble character, real representative of the ancient proletariat.


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>but the armed men stole in the wars, you couldn't steal in the provinces or in italy

Aristocrats could and did. Taxes fall under the category of theft (see: the constant cries about Greece being enslaved and emperors' promises to free them), to say nothing of raids beyond the empire in places like Armenia, Dacia, and Germany. Note that taxes were collected by governors (where equites eventually replaced senators) and client kings.

>If you look at the Sulla dictatorship it's very VERY clear he was the only guy interested in restoring the senate.

Yeah, I suppose that you are right about Sulla.

>I'm not saying that Octavian was the defender of the senate for real, just that the senate viewed him as such because he was against mark anthony.

Not Octavian, though. The Senate viewed him as a threat, if Tacitus is to be believed (I know how big of an "if" that is), and only called Octavian the defender of the Senate in order to try to convince him to take his army and go fight somewhere else. Their trepidation about Augustus lasted into his early reign as the princeps and was only mollified by how much power–both real and theoretical–that he left them with. The long peace really won them over.

>A slave works for how much time you want.

Correction: a slave works for as long as he is able, and he resists doing so. Does a slave really work much longer than a peasant does? I would argue not.

>A slave works ONLY for you

As I said before, that is a big advantage to slavery.

>you can give him just enough to survive

Sure, if you don't mind having a sickly, unproductive slave. Also, you don't have to give a peasant anything. There is no maintainance at all with peasants.

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>slaveowners would have kept every slave since making them peasants meant using them only for some time and extracting only a set number of resources, not ALL their production

The difference between what slaves produce and what peasants produce is offset by the costs, both social and individual, of maintaining the institution of slavery. Slaves have to eat as much as peasants do, but the peasant will make his own food. You do not have to house or clothe a peasant; he makes his shelter and his clothes himself. He is a completely free asset. The peasant just goes away when he is done working your land, much like a waged laborer. A peasant is nothing but black ink, and the more of them you have the wealthier you become.

>And that is what happened, the slaves were made free because it began to be impossible to manage big shares of land without making them autonomous and sending them "on their own": if the lords had the resources to manage these lands with that number of slaves none would be freed.

Yes, exactly, except that individual slavers never have the ability to keep large numbers of slaves by themselves. They need social institutions (dedicated legions, relatively safe long-distance trade routes, wars of conquest, etc.) which aristocrats with peasants (and much later industrial capitalists) do not feel the need to pay for. Slavery is a fragile thing.

>Also with slaves you have no obligation whatsoever while with peasant you have to at least fake a contract of some type and "at least faking", for example protection like the middel ages, costs money.

Protection for peasants is no different than protection for slaves, and you absolutely do need to protect slaves lest some barbarians steal them. Stolen slaves are money out the window.

>conflict internal to a class is not class conflict

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>HE was the one destructuring the republic and imposing personalistic power.

sulla launched the proscriptions which was one of the dirtiest uses of personalistic power and cronyism ever seen up to that time. The amount of anger he created through the wanton slaughter of many innocent people was not forgotten and his relinquishing power did not make them forget. There's a reason his system collapsed within a decade; his reforms were conducted in bad faith ("i expect you to follow my laws and reforms after i've killed your family"). That might have been solved had his proscriptions been targeted and thorough- the that's always impossible, especially given the means at the time to enforce such a program.

this is a short little read that presents the negative view of sulla




>Aristocrats could and did. Taxes fall under the category of theft (see: the constant cries about Greece being enslaved and emperors' promises to free them), to say nothing of raids beyond the empire in places like Armenia, Dacia, and Germany. Note that taxes were collected by governors (where equites eventually replaced senators) and client kings.

I agree on that. By theft I was talking about the practice of looting straight and proper. Taxes were profitable as fuck but if you wanted land and new situations for tax extracting you had to wage war to find new ones mainly.

>octavian stuff

well I think I cannot disagree with you on that, I'll think I'll research it more. Thanks for providing me with insightful arguments.

>slavery stuff

1 The slaves are not that much of a threat. For example urban slaves never revolted against Rome and field slaves never started revolts since they were bound and unable to form groups; it was cattle-raising slaves and gladiators that started them, only to be joined by field slaves later, when the rioters liberated them. The urban slaves were even complicit in suppressing the revolts since they didn't want to associate with the movement. In general while peasants can be able to further their interests and organize better armed revolts (like the very bloody jacqueries, that indeed succeded in killing some nobles) the slaves are in so dire conditions that cannot really organize that well.

2 the slaves do not require that much of social institutions compared to the peasants. You have to offer the peasants at least something. You do not care if barbarians kill your slaves because you can always buy more (slaves were always on the market), on the other hand, as in the case of jacqueries (if you wanted to focus only on the romans I'm sorry but as this thread was already about other things I feel this example is valid) if peasants feel their protection is frauded then they revolt, same if they think you are taxing them just too much.

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Proscription lists were accepted at his time because they targeted mainly Marius party faithfuls. Sulla even made them because the march on Rome of 88 was accompained by generalised violence; the lists meant that ONLY those whose name was in the lists were to be prosecuted, and this was plauded.

The most impotant thing is to remember that even Marius invaded Rome with its army, after Sulla, in 87 and his march was accompained by so much violence that in respect to that the prescription lists were seen as a tame, order-restoring measures. Marius killed so many senators that Sulla had to make 300 horsemen senators (another measure he could have simply not taken if he wanted jonly to have personal power, not saying he didn't like it on some level he was not stupid, but he wanted to genuinely restore the republic too). In fact in the 70s he was so liked that every major politicia was expected to be a sullan; pompeus, crassus, catilinas, cicero, every one of them and the members og the senate was a sullan of some sort and this period is even remembered as the sullan generation. The first who tried to rehabilitate the figure of Marius against Sulla was Ceasar but before that it was considered normal to see Sulla as a gy who with force had to restore power against a guy (Marius) who was a threat to the republic.

I'll download the thing but at the moment and in the short future I don't have the time to read it. But I'll do when I can.

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Not dead yet edition.


Play music and chat.

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Unifag here with a serious question that sounds like a meme.

In my phi class, whenever someone mentions Peterson, I uncontrollably let out this groan of agony. Tips to hiding this or making it more obnoxious?




>talking about Jordan Peterson in philosophy class

Time for you to switch universities.


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good job bucko.

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I'm probably going to post this in /pol/ as well, but I can't help but notice this strange phenomenon with regards to the NPC meme

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>Because of this in order to increase the number of scientists we need to increase the population at large.

If you mindlessly increase the population, you will create more problems that will need to be financed -> less money for quality education, life standard, etc.

>For food, we can create large orbita hydroponic farms, for raw materials we can mine asteroids, and for energy there’s fusion. All these are theoretically possible, we just don’t have the technology for it yet. However the more scientists we have the closer to obtaing this technology we become. And the only way to be sure we’ll increase the number of scientists there are is to increase the population at large.


>India is creating a very large compute industry sector.

And you think IT sector produces no CO2 and so on?



>If you mindlessly increase the population, you will create more problems that will need to be financed -> less money for quality education, life standard, etc.

Except that the GDP per capita in the last few decades has more than dobbled, but education has remained the same.



It’s far from being far-fetched


>And you think IT sector produces no CO2 and so on?

It’s nessicary for us to get to a point where energy generation can be done with zero CO2 emissions.



>Except that the GDP per capita in the last few decades has more than dobbled, but education has remained the same.

Not true. Education always changes even in post-soviet countries with close to none money to buy new books for students. It's not matter of education, it's matter of money. Just imagine this. In EU, since 2016 or so, EU and its countries put so much money to handle migrant crisis. Now let's say it wouldn't be caused by war but problem with food for example, life conditions go down, migrants start to come, EU pays. You have to put money to critical issues and then everything else is just secondary, at least that's how EU thinks. Same thing may happen in US. Scenario, okay, middle america people starve because it was dry year and their agriculture can't feed them, they won't have money to import stuff etc., now if they migrate, US will have to put money to this issue and possibly cut expenses in other areas. Cut all that political bullshit, I'm talking solely from financial perspective.

>It’s nessicary for us to get to a point where energy generation can be done with zero CO2 emissions.

And then people come and say, you know, those pipes in water energy plant mate, yeah CO2 was produced to make them. Oh batteries? Sure CO2 needed and god knows what other chemicals as waste. We are currently far from this goal and I think (! my opinion) you still can't find an argument which would prove that this is in fact a lottery, big race, where you put breeding next to possible issues coming from overpopulating Earth and bet what will win.




That this isn't Civilizations and that scientific advancements are not made simply by scientists existing? Or do you want proof that the rate of people becoming scientists does not proportionately increase along with the rate of population growth? It is impossible to tell which of your utter absurdities that you want invalidated.



How come natalists are always so clueless about the world?

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CIA Democrat Max Rose faces off against Trump Republican in Staten Island

Wikileaks founder Julian Assange is suing Ecuador, accusing it of violating his “fundamental rights and freedoms.” It comes after the nation issued a new set of rules for Assange, who has lived in its London embassy for years.The whistleblowing website says Assange’s access to the outside world has been “summarily cut off,” and that Quito has threatened to remove the protection granted to him since being given political asylum.


Wall Street volatile as global economy becomes “fragile”

Volatility has continued on Wall Street following two days of major falls last week. The Dow Jones index shot up by more than 500 points on Tuesday, followed by a more than 300-point decline during Wednesday before recovering to finish 80 points down.


Thousands of caravan migrants stopped at Guatemalan border clash with police

A caravan of U.S.-bound migrants broke down a border crossing Friday and streamed onto a bridge on Mexico’s southern border with Guatemala in the face of a heavy presence of Mexican and Guatemalan law enforcement officers, according to media reports.The travelers — made up of 1,500 to 4,000 people mostly from Honduras — were eventually stopped on the river crossing, according to video broadcast by the U.S.-based Spanish-language network Telemundo.


Facebook hires Nick Clegg as head of global affairs

Facebook has hired Sir Nick Clegg, the former UK deputy prime minister, as its head of global policy and communications. Clegg, 51, will join Facebook Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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News Anon bringing us the truth.



>South African city to begin confiscating land from white citizens in national test case

This land will go to black porkies, mark my word


>Britain Releases Anjem Choudary, Radical Islamist Preacher, Under Strict Controls



>Wall Street volatile as global economy becomes “fragile”

No shit


>committed $2 million

That’s pennies for these companies


>Apocalypse in 2019: Is Russia-US war possible?

No, MAD still exists


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>Facebook hires Nick Clegg as head of global affairs

The fact that traitors like him can avoid becoming complete persona non grata afterward is mindboggling


>The Trump administration announced Wednesday that the US would leave the the Universal Postal Union treaty, an agreement from 1874 that helps to standardize postal rules among the international community….

And I was just thinking last night how cool it is that all countries around the world decided to send each other's mail for free. If someone doesn't know how the global mail system works, when you mail something internationally, you pay only your own postal service. When the letter goes abroad, the other countries mail your letter for free. Every country does this for every other country so it all kind of evens out.

Trump fucking with this just shows how out of touch with the world he is. He doesn't care about people, he cares about winning. He wants America to 'be the best' and if in the process some working class Americans benefit, good, if not no foul. Trump wants to win this trade war, even if it means hurting working class people in the US. China is powerful, I wonder if they will bait him into fucking the country up just a little bit more.

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After getting caught and imprisoned, instead of founding Marxism-Leninism-Apo Ocalan Thought, Ocalan abandoned Marxism-Leninism for his own Bookchinite ideology of "democratic confederalism". PKK and its affiliates followed suit with several M-L members leaving the party after this change. The PYD in Syria was founded after this occured.



this will actually make it more secure for lefty autists to donate to them.


how do we purge austrians from the cryptocurrency movement? https://twitter.com/ydemombynes/status/985560599248756736?s=19



Establish explicitly leftist cryptocurrency, e.g.:


Sadly, they still seem to buy into some Autistrian assumptions, such as a reflexive dislike of inflation.




isn't this just a failed stablecoin marketed as supposedly a good thing? it even managed to pump and dump in 2014 and january

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>The joint chair of the [Syrian Democratic Council], Amina Omar, stressed that the council is still ready for dialogue [with the Syrian government] "because we believe that the political solution is the best solution to end the Syrian crisis."


I'm guessing this is some sort of 4D chess plot by the US to legitimise the Assad government and bring long-lasting peace to Syria?



Given Assad was happily torturing US-renditioned prisoners in blacksites and assassinating uppity Lebonese presidents across the border just a few years ago, this isn't exactly the most epic feud.



How can there be socialism if there is no society?


>Freed pastor Brunson leaves t*rkey, due in U.S. Saturday


I'm guessing that US-Turkish relations will go back to normal.



Not really. Also note that the day he was released, the t*rks shelled the villages outside Kobani and moved troops to the border. They lost that propaganda battle so they flex their strength on farmers

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What is leftpols opinion on states rights and confederalism?

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What else is there to say about states' rights?



All rights are spooks, it’s a fact


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What a great artist


against it, due to the fact S.C. passed a law against criticism of apartheid Israel.


footfags go home


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Whats your opinion on saying "nigger"?

Do you think it actually hurts the African American community or do you agree with Stokely Carmichael in this image?

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It's true, if you don't like that fuck off to /leftypol/.


>whitey is the same thing as nigger


Sherman didn't go far enough.



>Total bullshit, the southern people referred to them as "darkies" during the time of slavery.

Lol no, stay mad reactionary white boy. Talk shit get hit, and that’s the way it’s going to say no matter how big a tantrum you throw.



>rather than focusing on the one issue as anomalous

In both of those cases the one issue is anomalous though. Disallowing certain words is an anomaly when you generally follow a principle of free speech. Routine genital modification for one gender (also intersex babies btw) when usually you don't do body modifications for non-adults is anomalous. They directly contradict principles that most people claim to agree with as a rule and cause people to justify the cognitive dissonance after the fact. They're not really part of a larger issue. They're both rather isolated cases that have insulated themselves in a cocoon of ideology.


>Not being able to say a racial slur because it invokes a history of murder and rape is causing rifts between people.

The justification doesn't matter. Pretty much every culture has used history as a justification to draw lines between populations and declare an "us" and a "them." If you have a beef with racism there is actual structural racism happening today and it's not the word nigger. Getting offended by words is a pretty effective distraction from incarceration and police violence, I guess.


>How is using a racial slur that continues to be used in a hateful way throughout the country and right here on this very chan "dealing with history" lmao

Firstly, you dilute the racist meaning when you use a slur in a way that's not racist. You dilute the shock value when you use it in a way that's not shocking. Secondly, by separating racism from discourse by forbidding the invocation of chattel slavery (or present day racism), you're explicitly saying that we can't talk about this even though there's a lot to talk about. Racism can either hang over our culture indefinitely or we can overcome it, and just shutting up about it is the former.




Y'all are just mad that I exposed your nigger loving, to you it's okay if niggers say racial slurs but not okay if whitey does it. It's shit like this that makes people call us cucks (and they're not wrong)


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>Y'all are just mad that I exposed your nigger loving

I'm upfront about fucking black chicks, you've only exposed yourself as an idiot.


>racial slur


>y-you're c-cucks

get some new material

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Let's talk about the current futility of Burger electoral politics and abroad

What are some digestible ways of explaining that voting is antithetical to enacting meaningful social change? What are some historical examples of decisions made via voting that weren't immediately undone by reactionaries? How can the voting system be changed to make it's eventual removal more palatable to the average person?

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As I posted over in >>99214:

My choices for Senate:

>D: Openly corrupt Gusano who’s in big pharma’s pocket

>R: big pharma executive

And for Congress:

>D: “National security” nerd and ex-Navy officer who unironically goes muh 9/11 muh taxpayers, doesn’t support single-payer, anti-union.

>R: Mike Pence-tier Catholic nut who’s held the seat since 1981.

Why should I even bother?



You can't kill yourself.


Vote for None of the Above.



>badge #1466

So close. This is seriously what to expect from the SPD.



It's 7465 though.



The worst thing is some people really do believe this.

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