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"Allah is but one God. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs." [4:171]

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7569d7 No.19586[Reply]

Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread:

Post all such questions here. I'll start with a few of my own.

As a non-Muslim (non-religious period) I wonder about the notion that God (Allah) "wants" things from us. "Wanting" to me feels like it implies a kind of inferior state, as though one was lacking something. Does Allah "want" things from mankind? To follow certain rules perhaps? Or is it not a matter of "wanting" but something else?

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c44afc No.27235


Does one of your msa friends come from somewhere with lots of muslims? Ask if you can visit him over the summer.

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964dfc No.23797[Reply]

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته وسلام على المرسلين والحمد لله رب العالمين أما بعد

A couple of days ago someone mentioned starting a thread for learning Arabic, I thought it was a good idea so here it is. My thought is that we can share resources and ask each other questions about the language.

I'll start off with two great resources that'll take you quite far. They're aimed at someone who knows the Arabic script but not anything else. After these you should be at a level where you can start studying Arabic in Arabic.

1. Madinah series, which is used at the Islamic University in Madinah and very beginner friendly(as said above you just need to know the alphabet). It consists of three textbooks in Arabic, along with three in English explaining the grammar of each lesson, and an answer key. There's also a lot of complementary material in form of grammar summaries etc. Everything can be found for free(no copyright) at


2. Simplified Arabic by Arthur Upson. Another great book available free(copyright expired). It's layed out in terms of 200 chapters each accompinied by translation excercies with answer keys. Ideal for self studying. It can be found at https://archive.org/details/arabicsimplified00upsouoft

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20bc41 No.27094


What's the question?

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1c7181 No.21874[Reply]


A thread for everything about memorizing al Quran al Kareem.

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1e1e09 No.11001[Reply]

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

This board is the 8chan Masjid and should be treated as such. It is a place for Muslims to gather and discuss Islam and not intended as a place where Muslims must defend themselves or their religion from outsiders. If you would not do it in a real mosque in the real world, then don't do it here.

Controversial topics of discussion are permitted, but deliberate trolling/baiting and personal attacks will not be tolerated. /pol/-like behavior can stay on /pol/.


If you desire Sunni only discussion, head over to >>>/asj/

If you want to jihadist LARP, go to >>>/islamicstate/

If you want Quranist discussion, go to >>>/modernislam/

We are not for the comparison of the various world's religions. There are many, many other boards for that. Use them.

Useful Links

If you'd like to suggest links or tips for this sticky, be sure to let me know!

http://sunnah.com/ - The Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

http://quran.com/ - Read and listen to Qur'an online.

http://www.inter-islam.org/Seerah/ - Biography of the Prophet Muhammad( عليه السلام‎)

islam@8chan.co - Board Owner email

Useful Tips

Obviously from time to time someone will come to this board and they wish to discuss a portion of Qur'an or the life of the Prophet(عليه السلام) or the tribal practices of certain people(s). There is nPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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5e71bb No.26494

There will no longer be bans for disagreements over politics. Especially if it is a Volunteer banning someone for disagreeing with him. Abuse of power will not be tolerated.

Further, I will reiterate that ALL Muslims, including the ones you don't particularly like, are welcome on this board. If you don't like Shi'a, so be it. The board doesn't care. That's between you and Allah.

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56f827 No.11002[Reply]

We need to take steps to ensure our privacy. Do not let them pull the "if you've got nothing to hide" card; that's like saying we don't need freedom of speech because "I have nothing to say." I have nothing to hide. I am not a terrorist nor am I interested in helping terrorists, but my emails and such are mine and I refuse to lay down and let the government walk all over my freedoms. So, if they want to exploit me, I'll make them work for it. So should you.

Important Tools:

https://piratebox.cc/openwrt:diy - Make as many of those as you can afford. It's like a private local cloud where information can continue to be shared.





Favorite Linux distributions:

https://tails.boum.org/ - Security anywhere you go on any computer.

http://www.backbox.org/ - I personally use this OS.

https://www.kali.org/ - Offensive defense.

http://www.ubuntu.com/ - The most common and user friendly OS.

https://trisquel.info/ - Based on Ubuntu but without added software.

https://www.torproject.org/ - Not useful by itself, but should be used in tandem with othPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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bf5843 No.26903


I meant installing it on the USB stick is a pain because of the whole "intermediary tails" thing. It wasn't a big hassle, I think Ubuntu-based distros just spoiled me a bit. :p

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adac2c No.25059[Reply]

Is anime haram? We all know that picture makers will be punished on the day of judgement but one of my weeb friends on this Islamic Discord server I am (he is the owner). He says this rule only applies to idol making and worshiping. Is this true? If not then what is the ruling on anime and cartoons in general?

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6cf5ab No.27362



s*udi are looking after THEIR interests and nobody elses

12750b No.27365


Oh great more /pol/ memes. You really aren't helping your case here.

6cf5ab No.27372


which meme? you pretend as if they care about the interests of muslims worldwide, well they dont , its clear by seeing who they support in the region (UAE and sisi)

6f255f No.27374


Saudi give more aid to Palestine and other suffering muslims than any other muslim country.

>theyre friendly with misr and imarat arabia mutahida

You start from the premise of blanket takfir on all muslims with political authority and then work backwards. Egypt is kaffir because they are friends with saudi. Saudi is kaffir because they are friends with egypt. It’s pure circular reasoning.

6cf5ab No.27375


>Saudi give more aid to Palestine and other suffering muslims than any other muslim country.

Blatantly false, qatar gives the most in terms of money and iran gives in terms of weapons.

>You start from the premise of blanket takfir on all muslims with political authority and then work backwards.

Again, false, egypt is an anti islamic dictatorship right now and saudi supporting that says a lot.

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a1fd37 No.20806[Reply]


Allah, The Unmoved Mover

>And it will not be possible to be and not to be the same thing, except in virtue of an ambiguity, just as if one whom we call ‘man’, others were to call ‘not-man’; but the point in question is not this, whether the same thing can at the same time be and not be a man in name, but whether it can in fact. – Aristotle, Metaphysics

>Numbers 23:19 “God is not a man, that He should lie, nor a son of man, that He should repent; has He said, and will He not do it? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?”

>1 Samuel 15:29 “And also the Glory of Israel will not lie or change His mind; for He is not a man that He should change His mind.”

>Job 9:32 “For He is not a man as I am that I may answer Him, that we may go to court together.”

The concept of trinity disagrees with both the scripture of the Hebrews and the logic of the Greeks – the two very things Hellenist Jews wanted so desperately to combine when they contrived Christianity.

The laws of the excluded middle and contradiction do not undermine monotheism, they demand it. They undermine the trinity which is rank paganism. Logic can be seen as negative theology (what God isn’t) while revelation is positive theology (what God is). Monotheism can only be undermined when the imperfect reasoning abilities of men are placed above revelation – which is exactly what the trinity doctrine does.

Divinity can be seen as “irrational” in the sense that the human mind alone cannot be expected to properly quantify it, hence the need for revelation from above. If we accept the premise of unrevealed divinity and its “irrationality” then monotheism is less irrational a priori than polytheism. In this same manner Unitarianism is less irrational than Trinitarianism. Then if we accept the premise of revealed divinity along with the veracity of Abrahamic scripture we find that monotheism is more veracious a posteriori than polytheism;Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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58ad1f No.27076

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58ad1f No.27092


Face it, you wouldn’t be satisfied unless the entire pseudo-athanasian was contained in the Quran. It’s lost on no one that you demand psuedo-athanasian creed in my scripture but not yours. You demand psuedo-athanasian creed from the tongue of my prophet but not the tongue of your mangod. Your anti-unitarian/anti-binitarian bigotry has no justification as you trinnies don’t have a monopoly on the NT (or OT) and never did. There are millions of real monotheists that claim OT or OT+NT and well - trinnies are the fifth wheel.

Tl;dr Arians > trinit-Arians forever and ever, amen.

58ad1f No.27154

They wore out their welcome again.

Due to christians spamming the board with graphic pornography and copypasting the same dissonant responses over and over again from their missionary sites - this thread is closed.

When this thread is closed trinnies are not tolerated on the board. A boardwide moratorium on trini pornlings is now in effect.

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I can’t resist crossposting some candycoated stupidity from /christian/ itttbh.

a6341e No.27373


>Interesting since the Didache recommends the triune form of baptism:

>"After the foregoing instructions, baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living [running] water…. If you have neithe

There is nothing triune about that, it never says they are god or even attributes of god. That formulation means baptize in name of God, his prophet, and the one who gave the prophet revelation - Gabriel. You roman pagans wanted a triune so you cobbled together what you could get.

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82eb0f No.27297[Reply]

What is the general consensus of the Salafi movement, within this board and possibly the Islamic world?

Is the "wahabi" pejorative just a baseless ad hominem? Are they truly a radical faction/movement within Islam or are they leading Islam on the right path?

Are the Salafis to be trusted or are they ruining Islam?

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5aad75 No.27367


He's not "speaking out" he's calling the entire ruling family apostate munafiqs wajibul-qatl ie spamming isis rhetoric. I haven't said anything about moderation policies so far. If that's allowed then it's allowed I guess, not much I can do about it. Personally I'd just hate to see this place get overrun by isis LARPers because I already saw it happen to another forum I used to visit.

5aad75 No.27368



it happens in every thread these people infect, it's not something you can miss.

b9828b No.27369


All the time. ITT one of the khwarij even call ale Saud as "ale Salul" which means he is calling them munafiqeen aka secret kuffar.

b9828b No.27370

Can one of you re-open the trini thread? Id rather argue with the trinis than the muslims.

b64c32 No.27371


It's a valid opinion.

3dbc41 No.27341[Reply]

Surely this passage didn't exist on tablets that have been around since before time. I mean, why would Allah feel the need to talk about one specific guy's dining habits in his book that is meant to be eternal? It doesn't make sense.

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6dca12 No.27349

Post the verse number 33:53 not an insulting image.

Also, this verse is directly applicable in fiqh so I see no problem here.

542f1a No.27351

Pagan zindiq troll.

a27b5e No.27354


At one point /pol/ made a big deal about that verse so I thought about it for a while. For one thing chapter 33 talks a lot about relationships especially concerning prophet muhammad (pbuh) but it all pertains to people in general through application of fiqh, like you said. As for the ayah 33:53 specifically, I think they confuse shyness and autism in a similar way to how they confuse showing some mercy and forgiveness with being a cuck… if nothing else, they should understand that an important leader with many responsibilities would be hindered if his followers didn't respect his privacy and were intent on chatting and making small talk with him all the time.

d80671 No.27359


Part of the greatness of the Quran is that it preserves the final revelation to the final prophet. That's huge insight into the entirety of and indeed the finale of the Prophetic age. And part of the greatness of Muhammad pbuh is that everything in his life had major significance. You're just one specific guy, Prophet Muhammad pbuh is the final prophet of Allah. I care about his dining habits, guy.

d80671 No.27360


This verse and also the verse "abasa wa tawala" are what trinnies would call criterion of embarrassment. Yet they try to use them against Islam.

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de5694 No.27274[Reply]

Which is more consistent with Islam, political activism or political quietism? Are they both legitimate? What do you think about political rallies and marches?

I personally feel that I am not entitled to have an opinion on things I don't understand which is why I lean toward quietism. I don't even read the news. I feel like it would be dishonest to take a strong stance on things I honestly know little to nothing about, but it seems like nowadays everyone is under pressure to have strong opinions on a variety of very complex issues. Are people obligated to participate in social and political struggles and debates? Is it irresponsible, maybe even cowardly, to sit on the sidelines and simply mind one's own business? I'm struggling with these questions and I don't know what their resolution is.

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f13c88 No.27332


Stop lying and trolling about the religion you confused punk. Your good deeds are already wiped out by your shirk of worshipping Ali ra.

f13c88 No.27333



You’re not even a good fake shii troll because no shii would say (as) for Zayd. Zayd was abandoned by his “shia” because he refused to curse sahaba ra. This is not the board to come to and larp, Madison. Go back to your church and have some cheese whiz with your holy God cracker.

a3877d No.27335



You don't get to ban/warn someone and then take the last word. Further, your assessment is WAY off as you've done a 24 hour ban on your fellow Vol.


>Go back to your church

We don't do the boogeyman thing here and this behavior is unacceptable. I am stripping you of Vol status.

f13c88 No.27336



Mushmushkilla. Salaamu Alaykum.

5f8db8 No.27346


Firstly you are calling me a mushrik for saying aleyhi salam on Imam Hussain (a.s)? Assuming I'm a ghulat rafidhy who worships Ali (a.s)? Even if ahlul sunnah allow this practice? Fear Allah.

Secondly, I am familiar with the story of Imam Zayd Ibn Ali (a.s), he is respected by both the ahlul sunnah and the zaydi shi'i branch. There is no error in taking knowledge form him or sending tasleem upon them inshallah.

And finally, this ban was uncalled for and irresponsible. Considering that I have been banned often times simply for my opinion. I'm glad the owner took action. Alhamdulillah, wa jazak Allah khayran.

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2637ac No.19036[Reply]

Anyone else saddened by how deluded most of the modern Christians are? Obviously not all of them, but most of them believe in Jewish propaganda against our faith. With so many of them literally worshipping the Jews as 'chosen people'. How can we counter this?

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c4ed5f No.27261


Muslims and Apostolics have lived side by side in numerous lands for longer than Protestantism even existed. The real macro-antagonists are protestants and protestants 2.0 (secularists). The degree to which Apostolics embrace barnyard Islamophobia is the degree to which they have been protestantized. I've seen this especially when protestant Americans "become orthodox" and immediately begin rehabilitating obscure figures from orthodox history that had fought muslims. That's unacceptable and their hero, Vladimir Putin doesn't tolerate Islamophobia in his own country.

And we see it as bizarre when an American Christian declares himself to be a Russian Christian - or vice versa. It'd be akin to an Egyptian Muslim saying he is now an Indonesian Muslim. These are tumbleweeds.

5905ae No.27289


Tell me, how many times have you guys defeated israel?

c58501 No.27292


A couple times, like when Egypt kicked them out of Sinai.


46c82d No.27300



As a non-salafi that supports Saudi Arabia I admire that he can admit that saudi scholars were right on the stance against the rafidha even though they call him a deviant etc. in other issues. Too bad even asharis seem to consider him deviant as well.

e3f22b No.27324


christians are easier to get along with than jews, theologically and socially

bb48bb No.26774[Reply]

Hello /islam/ I have a problem that I think only you could guys could stand a chance at helping me with.

First I want to say that I love and respect Islam the same way Adolf Hitler did. There are certain cultural practices that I don't approve of and I hate moderate Islam with its humanist egalitarian bent. However true Islam and its holy books I appreciate very much.

That said I don't identify as a muslim. If I have to identify myself I will say various different things at different times, usually pagan though. My identity is completely fluid really, it depends who I'm talking to. I know so much about the various religions that I can pass myself as whatever I want.

Now here is my problem. Every woman I ever meet is an anti-natalist and doesn't want to have children. They call themselves white nationalists, traditionalists, and whatever else but they ALWAYS never want to have any children. No matter what I try I can't convince them to even say "I might have children one day". No, they flat out want to sterilize themselves. There is something wrong with our women that they don't want to breed.

Now, I understand there will be those here offended that I want to breed within my own ethnic group. I'm Dutch and I only want to breed with Dutch. I might make exceptions for someone who comes from a neighboring country like Germany but that is it. Even other whites I won't breed with. Now with that aside…

What is the secret to making women become pro-natalist? What does /islam/ do right in this regard? How do I apply the Islamic wisdom in my life to convince a woman to not be barren and to actually have a ☻ing child?

If I have to convert to Islam I will do it. If I have to convert the women around me also to Islam I will do it (if I possibly can). I'm not sure what is more important to you Muslims, whether someone "converts" and says "I am a muslim" or whether they simply submit themselves to god, love god, and serve him. When it comes to Christians it seems their goal it to make people give lip service to the Church, the more people calling themselves Christians the better,Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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bb48bb No.27276

trying to post as a regular user of the board*

bb48bb No.27277



I've talked with Arab Muslim women before and they love me. I refuse to mix with them though because I am not Arab. I get along fine with Muslims. Also I know to go to the father / a man and ask them if they have someone for me. Why you'd think I would go to some mosque and go into an area of it that is for women I don't understand. I can find out if there are Dutch women at the mosque without having to actually talk directly to any women there at all you know.

ee03da No.27278


It has nothing to do with us. If you see race-mixing as bad, so be it. Nobody is going to force you to race-mix. However, we also don't go around declaring haram that which God has declared halal. What you see as "degenerate", we see as a non-issue because God made it a non-issue.

If you don't want to marry outside your race, don't. But you're not allowed to tell other people not to.

c27c09 No.27280


It's your loss.

700de8 No.27285

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It seems like you are adopting a very standoffish position for no reason. Most muslims are married to people of the same ethnicity. That’s fine.

Some people on /islam/ have multicultural marriages, others have monocultural marriages. Multicultural marriage is not something new to Islamic society, it’s actually been widely practiced for 1439 years and has resulted in the development of new cultures and ethnic groups. Cultures and ethnes are in perpetual flux - going back enough you have ancestors that couldn’t understand if you tried to speak to them in Dutch and they couldn’t conceive of “Holland.”

>but when you guys let the humanist egalitarian "we are all equal"

No, we are not all equal before God. But the matter is not race, see pic related.

>and "tolerate homosexuals" blight in then I'm done.

Show me one muslim country that allows gay marriage. We’re only responsible for muslim countries, we’re not responsible for the moral fabric of societies when we are a (sometimes hated and feared) minority.

>Islam has to be strong enough to defend itself against degeneracy and there's clearly a lot of Muslims who can't do this.

Islam IS strong enough by the promise of Allah. Clearly a lot of Muslims are not properly practicing. That’s why no one converts to Muslims they convert to Islam.

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c6cf40 No.26602[Reply]

I’ve been playing with the Acorns investment app and might still keep it, but will use it to generate income to throw into Halal investing. I didn’t know about Wahed until today. It seems to be like a halal version of Acorns, minimum investment is $100. I’m halfway through setting up my account.

Anyway I suggest having a 401k or IRA before playing with ETF’s. Many investment houses now have halal 401k and IRA portfolios.

Anyone into halal investing?

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4dbee1 No.27258


>Altright faggots are crying

Well, there's no shock there. They literally cry about everything.

Anyway, thanks for introducing me to fundrise! I've been thinking about dabbling in real estate and that site is terrific. I'm looking for a good, stable way to raise money for when my kids are ready for college and that kind of investment is perfect.

5c0614 No.27259



And there’s a finance website called adulting.tv (associated with MoneyTree podcast) that has a $50 sign up bonus for Wealthsimple if anyone is interested.


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94c681 No.27263


In 2008 the Islamic index only went down 34.7% and the regular one went down 40.3%. That's what I'm about ya'll.

8effd5 No.27265


It would be riba. Doing riba to gain money lost from riba is still riba. It's adding sin upon sin.

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7b9523 No.19952[Reply]

The domestic cat is a revered animal in Islam.Admired for its cleanliness as well as for being loved by the Islamic prophet Muhammad, the cat is considered "the quintessential pet" by Muslims.

In Islamic tradition, cats are admired for their cleanliness. They are thought to be ritually clean, unlike dogs, and are thus allowed to enter homes and even mosques, including Masjid al-Haram. Food sampled by cats is considered halal and water from which cats have drunk is permitted for wudu.

Conclusion: if you have a dog as a pet, you are not a good Muslim and will go to hell

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7b9523 No.20292


Cats are considered pure in all the main sects. I haven't found anything about keeping cats being a bad thing.

The Quran itself doesn't say much about dogs being bad. It mentions them once or twice offhandedly. Any rulings on keeping dogs would come from hadith and it's intepretation, and sects and schools of thought tend to differ.

I found this article while looking for info about dogs, and it seems to be pretty good: http://www.virtualmosque.com/islam-studies/faqs-and-fatwas/mans-best-friend-the-islamic-view-on-dogs/ . It only covers the main Sunni schools of thought, but it's a start.

Also I should point out that "impurity" refers to the fact that dog hair and saliva contaminates what it lands on, so you'd have to change your clothes or wash up before prayer. Animals aren't evil, and cruelty to animals is a sin. Being nice to animals still counts as a good deed, and the most commonly used example is about giving a dog water.

7b9523 No.20305


Interesting read. What about pigs though? They don't have a very positive image despite being of the smartest animals in the world (they were used to track truffles in the past until people used dogs). I know pork is condemned in Judaism and even Islam.

7b9523 No.20314


Being able to track truffles isn't intelligence, it's a sense of smell. As for the animal themselves, they're just pigs. We don't eat them, that's it. We also don't eat cats or dogs. Doesn't stop us from having them as pets.

d45fd3 No.27242

I have dogs and cats. Dogs are definitely much better companions if you are active and interesting.

Cats are better for anti-social people who don't want much responsibility or interaction.

2eee23 No.27254


>bumping a pre-hack thread


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575bb4 No.26037[Reply]

Post your Qur'an with time stamp. :)

(Must be 50 characters blablabla)

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eb1472 No.26520


>lol le memes is le argument


401a92 No.26522


>lol le go back to reddit meme is le argument

5204a0 No.26529

I would but as a rule I don't post OC photos of any sort on here, as this way I don't have to be worried about possibly getting doxxed somehow. Checkmate FBI.

2433a6 No.27236

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Meant to post this last night. This is the one I carry around with me.

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