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A wizard is never late. Nor is he early; he arrives precisely when he means to.

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1. Board is for anything Tolkien related, even if that thing happens to be shitty Hollywood adaptations of books about hobbits. So stuff like /tg/ homebrews is fine as well.

2. No spamming the board.

Feel free to post banners, ideas for quotes for the board announcements, or other stuff you feel goes there.

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Reminder that just because Manwe granted Elrond the fate of elves doesn't make him a real elf.

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Why does a man have free will but an animal doesn't? Sounds like you're just saying that a man can claim he has free will but an animal can't, which just comes down to an animal's ability to communicate effectively with us. Animals can also recognize themselves as the proximate cause for certain acts. People who say they act only on instinct rather than having free will the same as humans clearly have never actually interacted with a dog or plenty of other animals who can communicate rather effectively with humans.

Also, all this would be moot if you were talking about Tolkien, because in that universe there is an explicit distinction between creatures given free will by Eru and creatures not given free will. Animals in that universe are explicitly very different from humans and other races that have free will. Real life biology is not so cleanly divided.



>which just comes down to an animal's ability to communicate effectively with us

Hardly. You don't need communication to establish awareness, the mirror test is a famous example.

>People who say they act only on instinct rather than having free will the same as humans clearly have never actually interacted with a dog or plenty of other animals who can communicate rather effectively with humans.

I grew up with dogs adn interact with them on the regular. Don't try to flaunt your authority when none exists, please. And yes, dogs can to some degree express their instincts to humans. That doesn't change the fact that dogs and other animals don't act, they react–either to external or internal stimuli. Men do as well, but men unlike most animals have the power to act, to deliberately and consciously perform actions, to decide to perform one action now and another later. A couple of species exhibit behavior close to this some argue dolphins equal or surpass us, I can't honestly confirm or deny that claim, and I will concede that there's a bit of leeway at the edges of the definition. But The definitions, and what characteristics represent them, are rather unambiguous.



I never claimed to have any authority. What I claim is that your claims, and I know they are popular ones, are ultimately based on false sense of authority. That the speaker gets to pronounce these things because they're human, and of course they're better. Various non-human animals can be clearly seen to do the things you describe. Plenty of animals are seen making and executing multi-step plans, for example. You claim only humans have the ability to do this consciously, but you have nothing to say that non-human animals aren't doing this consciously. You might as well say other humans can't consciously perform actions either. You only know your own consciousness exists, and cannot know that any other consciousnesses exist at all. But you can see actions that seem like they represent emotions, and other animals clearly have that. You can say humans are better at some things than other animals, but there are also other things that other animals are better at as well. You can judge based on actions, and claim humans can execute more complex actions, but certain types of complex actions are actually easier for certain non-human animals than for humans, since those particular actions may be more relevant to those animals' niches. Then people claim that those actions are only instinct but ours are not. But there is no more reason to think my actions are any more or less "pure instinct" or requiring of consciousness than a chimp's. You don't know for sure that either of us has consciousness. I can see that chimps obviously have thoughts and emotions though. Any line would be very blurred. That's how things work in real life. The lines between species aren't perfectly clear cut.



>Men are better at building civilizations in general

So how come they had to be taught everything they know about civilization, including how to fucking speak, by the Noldor?



You're a moron. By your own idiot argument you could as easily say that a rock has conciousness and freewill just because "we can't know for sure!" Animals probably do have a conciousness, it's just a limited and stunted one in comparison to humans and they lack the capacity for freewill. They're both metaphysical phenomena that can't be understood through materialistic models, we can never know for sure they're even conscious but their are obvious reasons to believe that they at best have a constrained and instinctual consciousness which is incapable of genuinely novel or free reasoning.

Also the lines between species are as clear as night and day for anyone not stupid enough to fall for fallacious arguments from abstraction, idiot

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I thought we should have an art thread, so here it is

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Here's a larger version for you anon


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Thanks, this is going in my wallpaper folder.


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I've been told that if I enjoyed Tolkien's works, I would like this one, too. Can /arda/ confirm this?


Like LotR, it's one of the greatest sci-fi or fantasy series ever, it's written by a Catholic with strong but not overt Catholic themes, and it features an absolutely virtuosic use of the English language.

In almost every other respect, it is totally unlike the LotR.



Looks interesting, I'll check it out sometime!



I agree with the general sentiment, but I found the plot incredibly lacking and I don't think it measures up to Dune in terms of greatest sci-fi.



I can respectfully disagree but understand where you're coming from about 'Dune', and while I think 'incredibly lacking' might be going a bit far, I'll agree that the series is not the mostly tightly plotted group of novels ever written. Especially when compared to Tolkien, whose works are, above all else, excellent stories, whereas Wolfe uses his stories as vehicles for ideas, characters, and lush settings.

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Why didn't Beren just ride the eagles to Angband?

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Sauron would've won if the Ring had come back into his possession. without it, I don't think his victory was assured. however, the Fellowship's concern was that if they did anything but destroy the Ring, it would find its way back to him somehow. in any case, as long as the Ring exists, Sauron will continue to plague Middle-Earth, and they wanted to win the war instead of dragging it out.



>even if the Ring remained hidden underwater for a long time, there was always the risk of it resurfacing much later

After all, by the time of the Council, the Ring already had spent many centuries hidden underwater, but it was still found again. The possibility of it being found again eventually if they dumped it in the ocean is very real.



Nobody among the good guys seemed particularly assured there was any way to win without something happening to the Ring. Gondor leadership was desperate to the point of going insane, Rohan's king was a lethargic potato, and the Elves were content chilling at their hidey holes losing the Long Defeat. I don't think they would have thrown everything they had at the Black Gate if they had thought there was a way to win through conventional warfare, and that was after several near miraculous hard won victories involving unforeseen circumstances.



>Elves were content chilling at their hidey holes losing the Long Defeat

It's pretty badass that the sons of Elrond came to the black gates though.


Why did all the free peoples of Middle Earth have to mass all their strength to beat a guy who got his ass handed to him by a dog?

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Whenever I feel down, I just imagine myself standing near my local river. Looking upon the now crimson water with the Eye of Mordor reflected in nit, reminding me of my homeland and patron deity as I turn around and walk around the plains. With every step I take, an elv*sh skull cracks and shatters underneath my steel-clad ORC feet.

I look upon the trees and savor the elv*sh corpses hanging from them. Every single square meter has an elv*sh dog executed one way or another. Whether they've been strung to branches or their heads impaled on spears. I salute my ORC brothers, their giant, muscular bodies, adorned with trophies, decapitated heads of elv*s who resisted the conquest.

With every passing moment, I savor the cries of the last elv*sh women as they are ORCED, as they watch their children and husbands murdered. I smile as the last keeb crawls away from me, stuttering incomprehensible garbage with his rotten tongue. I imagine myself grinning as I obliterate his skull with a single punch from my ORC hand. I open my eyes, and my day has been restored. Even if I won't experience this, my Orc children, my Orc brothers will.

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t. nigger



t. hobbitlet


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post yfw you realize dr*gons were behind it all



Orcs are goblins you newfag.

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Shill alert.

Filter aaf2e3 before he gets to shit up the bread even more.


Use the report button, retard.

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What are some good arguments against the normalization of sex work? Surely its ultimately bad for the girl.

Normally my friend would agree but now his gf is making bank as a stripper and paying for his lifestyle.

Its such a tightrope to walk

We used to watch adam22 videos and be able to joke about Lena. Now I swear to god I can't even say I think Cardi B is trashy. When I did, he asked me to provide one example that made her trashy.

I was paralyzed by surprise. I shouldn't need to provide an example, just look at her.

But I don't want to be entirely close minded so I'm trying to see if there's merit to what he's saying, or if he's just saying that cuz his gf.

It really just seems like liberal propaganda infecting his mind.

Has anyone had to deal with this topic (normalization of sex work) among friends or family?

I swear soon there won't be any more friends because we'll have found a topic for everyone to disagree on

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Why is this thread on this board.





If she's his gf, but she's out stripping and showing off to other men, why the fuck are you bothering to argue? If he's at the stage where this isn't an instant turnoff, he is already cucked.



is she the one in the front or the back


>/arda/ wins hunger games

>checking it out because reasons

>see threat dedicated to prostithots

christ on a cross how hard is it to stay on board topic? reported, also polite sage for not contributing. Not that it's possible to contribute to this thread, I'd just feel like an autist well, more than normal for a chan.

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J.R.R. Tolkien’s Great Grandson Nicholas Tolkien is a Religious Jew

>The famous author J.R.R. Tolkien, author of The Hobbit, the lord of the Rings and more classics was known for his love for the Jews. The Nazi’s sent him a questionnaire wanting to know about his lineage and if it was ‘tainted with Jewish blood’. If he was a ‘pureblood’ with no Jewish lineage they would allow his books to be published in Germany. (Remember those shameful days?) He answered: “I understand you want to know if I’m from Jewish descent. I can only say that regretfully none of my forebears came from this gifted nation.”

>If he was pained not coming from Jewish descent he would now be pleased to know that he has two Jewish descendants and one of them is an observant Jew who keeps Shabbat and Kosher.

>This descendant that is garnering attention in the media lately is Nicholas Tolkien, a 27 year old playwright and director who produced a play currently being shown called ‘Terezin’ which describes life in the Theresienstadt concentration camp from the eyes of a child.

>Nicholas researched the Theresienstadt concentration camp for 5 years and he also visited there. He describes it as being “full of the ghosts of the past.” The play he wrote about girls in the camo that survived only because of their courageous friendship, is based on stories he heard firsthand from survivors who were children in the camps and on the book “There Are No Butterflies Here” which is a collection of poems and drawings from the children of the Theresienstadt ghetto from 1942-1944.


Would Tolkien be proud?

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Soon Tolkien's Chosen progeny will sell his lifework to the bidder that promises to rape J.R.R's legacy the most. Fitting epitaph for someone who trusted the Jew.


I half expect that Tolkien's answer to that questionnaire was half out of spite against dirty krauts rather than actual love for jews. However, given his favorable depiction of Dwarves, the hairy, money hungry, not truly created by God but sort of accepted by him race that is desperate to reclaim a claimed ancestral homeland, yeah Tolkien clearly loved the jews. Given how religious Tolkien was, he probably would want his own descendants to hold the same beliefs as him, but he also probably wanted the jews to control Israel because that leads into the second coming of Jesus.


>he da jew

good for him.



>I half expect that Tolkien's answer to that questionnaire was half out of spite against dirty krauts rather than actual love for jews.

This. Tolkien fucking hated WWII and didn't think that either side was the good guys. He wasn't some crazed philo-semite who frothed at the mouth for the jews like some /pol/tards would have you believe, he was just butthurt about war and hatred in general. He decried propaganda that dehumanized Germans during the war and advocated forgiveness for Germany after the war, and he equated the outcome of the war to Saruman enslaving Sauron and wiping out the actual good guys. Even for his own time, Tolkien was a million times more sane than your average anglo.


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Well, Tolkien was a traditional catholic. And before Vatican II, at the mass of the holy friday, there was a prayer :

>"Oremus et pro perfidis Judaeis"

>Which means "Let's pray for the perfidious jews"

So, since he was a traditional catholic and that ALL the catholic tradition is antisemite, his philo-semitism must be nuanced.

Moreover, it's hard to paint yourself as an antisemite when you have Hitler as an interlocutor since :

>"Hitler dishonored antisemitism" Georges Bernanos, catholic writer

Numerous have been those forced to change their antisemistic positions because of Hitler's stupidity. Because Hitler was financed by jews against other jews racially impure (mixed with polish and others), and denouncing Hitler is denouncing jews.

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When and how did the Elves figure out incest was bad? They already have the taboo against cousin-kissing when there was barely any cousins to kiss around. Preference for exogamy in the elven nobility is easy to explain: relatives became instant friends and allies. Fëanor's sons never had many friends outside other Noldor. Still, it doesn't explain the strict ban on cousin-marriages. Many a woe would have been avoided if they would have let the resident Elliot Rodger Maeglin score. Him being a mongrel person of diverse heritage, it shouldn't have resulted in harelips just yet.

Or perhaps it would. Negative recessive traits perhaps don't fit the description of Elves healthier in body than humans, but neither are they perfect. Maybe original orcs were what happened when Elves inbred. It would fit Tolkien's inspiration of orcs from the low class scum of Britain. Blaming Melkor for the creation of orcs might not be entirely correct; it could have been the hillbilly Avari fucking their sisters that started the orcish blight.

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>muh culture muhfugga

leftypol pls go

Incest is bad because recessive alleles tend to run in families, making it more likely that the baby will get whatever genetic diseases the parents might have been carriers for. This is why people tend to breed outside their own families, and this is why heavily inbred populations like Jews or Arabs display hybrid vigor when they miscegenate: a partner from another population is much less likely to have the same recessive alleles and therefore much more likely to make a somewhat-healthy child.



Family that are not living with one another can go the opposite way. Just this year, a father that was reunited with his daughter, whom was put up for adoption early in her life, got impregnated by him and now they're married.



Yes, and it’s most likely a mechanism to prevent incest since siblings are more likely than not to live together



Well yeah, it’s not a perfect mechanism, but my point still stands



Did you even read the post, or did you just see “cultural brainwashing” and start sperging?

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Archive: https://archive.is/hUxdE

This is the beginning of the end. Next they'll push off or make irrelevant the remaining Tolkiens. They'll peck at the Secondary World like vultures. It'll be a grand old time for the fucking kikes.

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I wish shitposters would be tossed into a woodchipper


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Judgement desu no~




that pic is from the Bakshi adaptation tho


Fuck the kikes.

I don't care what they deem canon.

If it wasn't material directly written by Tolkien (directly or indirectly through letters, etc.) I don't care about it.

Shadow of Mordor/War?

Fucking garbage, no thank you.

Extra-kiked shit?

Gas yourself.

Fuck them.



>movie series

But the movies removed all of the explicit themes of Aryan supremacy.

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Anyone else notice the multiple anti-lotr posts on /tv/?

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>Expecting any kind of quality from /tv/ of all boards

You have no one to blame except yourself anon, /tv/ is a just /b/ but focused on television and movies.


/tv/ hates potter way more than lotr and they are shitheads



>/tv/ hates potter

So they have good taste after all


Yeah, but keep in mind there are people who think superhero movies are the finest fiction available.


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When will the transgender movement finally be revealed for the evil that it is?

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Both look pretty good to me.




>replying to bait




Reported for being faggots.



Found the homosexual.



it's not bait, you orc.



both are good, but I agree that the lefthand version is best. I prefer the gray coloration with subtle blues.

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Ebery day thewre are habbenungs in Okinawa and mainland Japan.

Me thinks none are coincidental either…

A US soldier carrying a gun in Okinawa was arrested near a temporary escaping private residential area

A man of Air Force soldiers belonging to U.S. Army Kadena base temporarily escaped on 6th while possessing a handgun from inside the base and found that the US military was arrested around the private residential area of ​​Yomitan village Uza during the same day. Firing was not confirmed. Meanwhile, the US military did not contact the Okinawa Defense Bureau until the Okinawa Times inquired on the 7th, and it was not transmitted to the surrounding municipalities. The Japan-U.S. Agreement stipulates that "promptly notify the local authorities concerning public safety or environmental influences," there is a possibility of conflict. (Department of Social Affairs ·

Beretta 92F bag

 According to the 18th flight team, deserters belong to the 353 Special Operations Force. A deserter was not in the office and searched for it. As a result of searching, the security forces found and restrained within 3 hours. At that time, he said he had a handgun Beretta 92F in his car bag . The reason why a handgun was brought out is unknown.

 Although deserters are out of office due to absenteeism, there is a possibility that it is outside official affairs, but the prefectural police have not publicized because the US side secured his former person. For the crime of soldiers and military personnel, the

 Japan-US Nation Agreement states that the first jurisdiction will be on the US side if it is "official" and on the Japanese side if it is "off the public service." However, if the US side secures his / her first role even outside official duty, in principle, it will not be handed over to Japan until prosecution.

Rifle erection also

 On the 7th, the Defense Agency offered information to Okinawa City, Kadena Town, Chatanicho Town of the three municipal town liaison councils on Kadena Air Base in addition to the prefecture and Yomitan village. We asked the US side to prevent recuPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Need a new news network. We will miss Q when this Mil Op is complete. History Books

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