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A wizard is never late. Nor is he early; he arrives precisely when he means to.

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 No.1[Reply]

1. Board is for anything Tolkien related, even if that thing happens to be shitty Hollywood adaptations of books about hobbits. So stuff like /tg/ homebrews is fine as well.

2. No spamming the board.

Feel free to post banners, ideas for quotes for the board announcements, or other stuff you feel goes there.

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 No.2123

>>2039

This is why >>1638




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 No.2137[Reply]

Too long didn't read: Being Anti-Elf is codeword for Anti-White.

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 No.2149

>>2147

>Some would argue that meds and whites are two separate races

Those are either Lefties or muds like Nicholas Taleb who are trying to decrease the White Man's accomplishments by saying "ayo hol up Greeks was Niggers n sheet".


 No.2159

I wrote a short essay about modern depictions of elves in regards to the way Terry Pratchett illustrates them and where I think the attitude comes from.

I think the post in the OP is a bit off-the-handle but it's not wrong about everything.


 No.2165

>>2159

Care to post the essay? I'd like to read it.


 No.2173

>>2165

‘kay

ANGRY ABOUT ELVES

I think Terry Pratchett’s attitude about elves, and the modern zeitgeist about elves as snooty ageless sissies which I observe in the world of tabletop gaming & modern fantasy literature, comes entirely from a modern anti-classism sentiment that shows up on all levels of our society.

(To wave the hand & say that Tolkien and co. omitted quite a lot of creepy details about elves, is a critique that holds no water. He attributed the abductions and the terrorization of early man to his goblins, which he all but said were elves of another kind.)

Pratchett was a man of the 20th century and all his human villains have been the wealthy and the elite and well-bred. We Americans take that to heart from our revolutionary roots (before us, “rebel” was a pejorative). We see a race of human-like creatures that do not grow old, do not get sick, and always affect an air of gentle superiority and condescension while looking down on us. Pratchett was a cockney and a lower-class man, and we natural born rebels would identify with him when he takes these “higher” beings and vilifies them to an extreme degree. After reading Lords & Ladies and The Science Of Discworld II, it’s very clear to me Pratchett intends them as his supreme Evil.

Whenever my GM makes the elves out to be the source of all the trouble in his games, or when I read online about “working-class-hero” type dwarves & humans, verbally shredding the elves up and down for being effeminate, ignorant, “posh” snobs, I get a sense of an ideal being dragged through the mud.

>”What makes them so special?”

>“Who said they had the right to look down on us?”

>”What’s so great about him we gotta call him King? I didn’t vote for him!”

It’s gotten to the point that anyone who disrespects elves strikes me as someone with an inferiority complex. The only other explanation is that it’s a reflexive backlash against a perceived overrepresentation of the elves as unquestionable paragons, and dragging them down becomes cathartic and feePost too long. Click here to view the full text.


 No.2174

>>2173

>t a perceived overrepresentation of the elves as unquestionable paragons

It's interesting that is that the backlash is so prevalent that it has become wjat seems to be the overrepresented thing




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 No.735[Reply]

ITT: Everyone's got at least one thing they didn't like about the films that they want to complain about.

For once, there is a place where this is exactly what the thread is for.

For me, it was Grond. In the films, it hits the doors of Minas Tirith three times & knocks them down. In the books, it hits it until its carriers are killed by arrows–then the Witch King talks to it and it gets up on its own and smashes the gates so hard both gate and ram explode.

It was extremely vivid in my mind. What I got was utterly forgettable, not worthy of a million orcs chanting its fucking name as it rolls up.

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 No.2116

>>1675

>battle of the Pelennor fields

Agree completely on all accounts.

In the film it’s a stage set for the heroes to show off.

In the book, it feels like a fucking WAR


 No.2118

for derivative action movies, they were decent, but they did not capture the books.

>>1674

>I've always wanted to see a good film adaption of LOTR. I know many people say that Tolkein just doesn't translate into film, but I would disagree. A good faithful translation of LOTR into film, I think, is very possible, just not finanially. And it likely wont happen until some billionaire Tolkein fan decides that the current Films weren't enough.

I think the best adaptation would be a feature-length animation. something along the lines of a studio ghibli film, but in a style like 1940s Disney.


 No.2119

>>2118

Yeah, animation is the way to go. Btw the 70s animated movies is quite good.


 No.2145

>>2118

bring back rotoscoping for it and make it solidly more anglo-saxon esque


 No.2166

HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.

>>2145

Saw this video and though of this thread. worth a veiw.




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 No.1907[Reply]

ayy ulmo

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 No.2017

>>2016

Did Ulmo have pockets? Where did he keep his music shell.


 No.2018

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 No.2160

>>1918

the chainmail was better.

Nobody in the Silm wears plate because it hadn't been invented yet. The dwarves made chain and sold it, and that's how they became rich.

until the noldor arrived and copied them


 No.2163

>>2160

I wouldn't be too eager to take any mention of any technology of the texts set in Third Age times as definitive about the technology used in-setting. Tolkien emulated the style of epics and romances, in which the people of the writer's past are often presented to have been close the same as the writer's contemporaries. People of the late Third Age used chain mail, ergo the text "written" by them feature chain-mail. Who knows what kind of armour (near-)divine smiths actually made in the hoary olden days?


 No.2164

>>2163

*set in times earlier than Third Age




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 No.2152[Reply]

Denethor is a /doomer/

>Live as the protector of (western) civilization

>Want it and your bloodline to prosper and thrive

>Sauron.exe

>Globohomos seek to destroy everything you have

>Seeing stones are the internet

>they show total destruction and a one-sided pessimistic view for our future

>no hope

>despair

 No.2158

>Seeing stones are the internet

>shows you what you search for, but only in the most negative and demoralizing manner possible, compelling you to draw the wrong conclusion.

>mainly because Sauron is on the other line.

The parallel is uncanny.




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 No.2134[Reply]

>Hollywood movie directed by a man whose claim to fame is directing a Finnish version of "The Hangover", a movie about a skinhead who falls in love with a former coalburner, and the Tom of Finland movie.

I hadn't even heard of this until I saw the poster for it the other day. Were you guys aware of this and just ignoring it because you knew it would be shit?

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 No.2150

Has anyone actually seen it?


 No.2151

>>2150

Yes but I don't see how that is related to this thread.


 No.2153

I only began seeing commercials for it about a week ago. It looks shitty and they try waaaaay too hard in them to go, "See! See! Tolkien, you know, the Lord of The Rings guy! Fiery CGI (that probably barely shows up in the movie to be fair) and shit!"

I'll still probably torrent it once it comes out on Blu-Ray, though.


 No.2154

>>2151

I think a relevant place to talk about having seen the film would be a thread about the film.


 No.2157

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Saw it. It's about JRRT reflecting on his life while in the trenches of WWI. Some of the shots are kino as heck, I could take a couple of stills from this movie and frame them on my wall.

Edith is cute, but pushy.

The best parts are him screwing around with his friends in the TCBS.

Good flick, but little /arda/ unless you're curious about how he discussed his ideas when they were in their infancy.




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 No.1615[Reply]

Reminder that just because Manwe granted Elrond the fate of elves doesn't make him a real elf.

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 No.1963

>>1615

saged and reported for D&C shilling

(USER WAS BANISHED TO /tv/)

 No.2068

>>1618

t. Sauron


 No.2092

Why didn't Ilúvatar bitchslap some sense into Morgoth.


 No.2093

>>2092

Ilúvatar made morgoth the way he is for his drama, and every good story needs an antagonist.


 No.2156

>>1921

>Thinks he's not falling for the argument from abstraction or it's cousin the continuum fallacy

<Literally appeals to the continuum fallacy

>He thinks pointing out the fact that materialist models literally CANNOT explain consciousness in any way, shape or form is saying consciousness "is magic"

How did such a brainlet ever make it through a book as long as the lord of the rings?




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 No.1431[Reply]

>lord of dicks

You soyboys will never be as fashy as the warhammerfags. You cucks will never be real men. This frenchise is literally to warhammer what Soytar Wars is for warhammer 40k

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 No.2090

>>2086

Aw come on, just because it's grimdark and over the top doesn't mean it's bad.


 No.2095

>>1431

>Orcs.

>Literal goblinos embodying the kalergi plan and the evils of the modern world, they are elves who were corrupted into a hideous existance to serve the purposes of a satanic figure.

>Orruks (or whatever geedubs calls them now)

>Just some random swole green monsters lol.


 No.2096

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Clearly the most fascist setting ever.


 No.2102

>>2096

AYO HOL UP


 No.2155

>>2096

Not being a warhammer apologist or holding any pretense of being "fashy", but one of the lotr games already featured knight bix nood of Gondor didn't it?

I seriously doubt the new netflix series is going to abstain from groid hobbits or various other la creatura free peoples, so don't be so quick to cast stones.




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 No.298[Reply]

why are you celebrating tolkenism and tolkien based fantasy

instead of wishing it to end and die

we need to revive the fantasy genre

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 No.2130

Do you have aliens video or files


 No.2131

Do you have aliens video or files


 No.2132

>>2129

>>2130

>>2131

yes. I have aliens.

videos *and* files


 No.2133

>>2129

>>2130

>>2131

I also have videos and files of aliens.


 No.2140

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 No.2004[Reply]

I'm quite curious to what this board's thoughts and comments on the series is. Also things found interesting.

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 No.2122

>>2121

My covers are the same as that lad. Weird that the spines are different huh…


 No.2124

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i ordered it as soon as i saw this thread

have to finish Fall of Gondolin before i get into it


 No.2125

>>2124

Nice collection


 No.2127

>>2121

I pre-ordered far out on Amazon so it's possible I got a weird first batch of books.


 No.2128

>>2122

It's because yours is the American publisher, mine is Harper Collins. Was a bit daft not to think of that.




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 No.1586[Reply]

I thought we should have an art thread, so here it is

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 No.2108

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TINUVIEL


 No.2109

>>2103

EOWYN AND THE NAZGUL


 No.2110

>>2109

Thanks for clearing that up.


 No.2111

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Glaurung the dragon says: Incest is most assuredly wincest

artwork by Turner Mohan


 No.2117

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 No.1923[Reply]

Mountain crossing

 No.2114

>>1923

Musta been one helluva climb




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 No.1990[Reply]

Let's post and discuss it.

I will begin :

>Melkor can't create life only Eru can really create. Which mean all being depends on God, even the devils being, Melkor only being able to sing his partition God gave him by distorting. Only God being able to create ex nihilo, the mystery of the souls being God's secret.

>Melkor is attracted by the void,… The evil is only void, which comes from traditional theology (the wrong is just a lack of being). I think Tolkien took that from saint Thomas Aquinas. Sins being the fact of being attracted to less being.

>Eru say to Melkor (Satan) he is just making the song that is cosmological history better whith what he think is in opposition. There is no opposition possible to God and his salvation plan, all will be his servant, even against their will.

>Gandalf say he have pity of orc

>inb4 : Tolkien said he didn't made a theological work.

We should not find theological points everywhere in Tolkien's work, that would be abuse as it's not a traditional myth, but we should find good christian moral points like the last I putted. Feel free to post them.

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 No.1992

>>1990

You're that one guy from those other threads aren't you?


 No.1994

>>1991

Indeed, and that he didn't think theologically in the first time.

Also the fact he dismissed allegories is quite interesting. Allegories are none traditional subjective and poor symbols. And he was thinking in symbols. That's a big difference between mythological high-quality stories and poor fantasy work. Religion/traditional thinking don't use allegories but symbols. I think it prove his superiority over all others after him.

>>1992

I posted in the thread about Tolkien's opinion on jews.


 No.1999

>>1994

“I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history – true or feigned– with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.”


 No.2112

>>1999

>varied applicability to the thought & experience of its readers

This is the keystone of the question of inner meaning in JRRT’s legendarium. None was put in deliberately, with a desire to preach (like say Narnia or Pilgrim’s Progress).

Instead, he stated that he knew these themes were widespread in western literature and should be embraced & contemplated-upon. It is not wrong to say “X symbolizes Y”, only to say “Tolkien meant X to mean Z, so all other evaluations are invalid”.


 No.2113

>Gandalf day he have pity of orc

Don’t forget guys: pitiable ≠ deserving

Being a victim does not entitle one to anything




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 No.2044[Reply]

Who else played the old Middle Earth Roleplaying Game? Probably my favorite system as it isn't like stupid D&D with hit, lose 20 HP, heal, gain 15 HP. ICE did a pretty good job on the world too. Great maps and good sourcebooks. Adventures were decent. I always liked that they kept everything low fantasy as magic in Middle Earth is super rare.

 No.2045

Never used any of the specifically designed systems, but in my experience I haven't found Middle-earth to work well for roleplaying. There's massive holes pretty much everywhere requiring large doses of OC, but on the other hand the settings tone is strictly defined and fanfiction intrisically required for ttrpgs quickly becomes jarring, especially with players of different levels of familiarity with Tolkien's work. It's easier to use an original setting designed for the kind of game I want from the get-go and just steal the parts I want from Tolkien.


 No.2066

>>2045

It's actually very fun to play. We always stayed away from certain things tho. Like the war of the ring, elves, dwarves and classic fireball magic. We only played as humans or hobbits. You also need a harsh game system like Rolemaster etc. with injuries to make combat hard and punishing. LotR is not suitable for hack n slay. Also travelling was always a big part of the adventures. There are so many source books and adventures that you really don't need to come up with everything.


 No.2080

Post some of the gamebooks, OP.


 No.2084




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 No.1354[Reply]

Happy Yule /arda/ anons, Men, Elves and Dwarves.

May a warm cozy Shire be awaiting you at the end of the cold evening trek through snow white covered fields.

Figured I'd post a Tolkien Christmas related title.

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 No.1359

>>1358

You should have storytimed it


 No.1360

>>1359

I might be able to get the whole letter if I’m careful


 No.1361

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 No.2024

I read these letters for the first time this year. They were really nice. Tolkien seems like a good father. Most people wouldn't have made the effort.


 No.2025

Beautiful.




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