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A wizard is never late. Nor is he early; he arrives precisely when he means to.

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 No.1[Reply]

1. Board is for anything Tolkien related, even if that thing happens to be shitty Hollywood adaptations of books about hobbits. So stuff like /tg/ homebrews is fine as well.

2. No spamming the board.

Feel free to post banners, ideas for quotes for the board announcements, or other stuff you feel goes there.

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 No.2039

What's with all the low effort shitposting in the last few months?




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 No.2044[Reply]

Who else played the old Middle Earth Roleplaying Game? Probably my favorite system as it isn't like stupid D&D with hit, lose 20 HP, heal, gain 15 HP. ICE did a pretty good job on the world too. Great maps and good sourcebooks. Adventures were decent. I always liked that they kept everything low fantasy as magic in Middle Earth is super rare.



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 No.1586[Reply]

I thought we should have an art thread, so here it is

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 No.1924

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 No.1947

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Lake Helevorn


 No.2026

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 No.2027

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By the starlit mere of Cuiviénen, Water of Awakening, they rose from the sleep of Ilúvatar; and while they dwelt yet silent by Cuiviénen their eyes beheld first of all things the stars of heaven. Therefore they have ever loved the starlight, and have revered Varda Elentári above all the Valar.

In the changes of the world the shapes of lands and of seas have been broken and remade; rivers have not kept their courses, neither have mountains remained steadfast; and to Cuiviénen there is no returning. But it is said among the Elves that it lay far off in the east of Middle-earth, and northward, and it was a bay in the Inland Sea of Helcar; and that sea stood where aforetime the roots of the mountain of Illuin had been before Melkor overthrew it Many waters flowed down thither from heights in the east, and the first sound that was heard by the Elves was the sound of water flowing, and the sound of water falling over stone.




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 No.1354[Reply]

Happy Yule /arda/ anons, Men, Elves and Dwarves.

May a warm cozy Shire be awaiting you at the end of the cold evening trek through snow white covered fields.

Figured I'd post a Tolkien Christmas related title.

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 No.1359

>>1358

You should have storytimed it


 No.1360

>>1359

I might be able to get the whole letter if I’m careful


 No.1361

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 No.2024

I read these letters for the first time this year. They were really nice. Tolkien seems like a good father. Most people wouldn't have made the effort.


 No.2025

Beautiful.




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 No.1833[Reply]

J.R.R. Tolkien’s Great Grandson Nicholas Tolkien is a Religious Jew

>The famous author J.R.R. Tolkien, author of The Hobbit, the lord of the Rings and more classics was known for his love for the Jews. The Nazi’s sent him a questionnaire wanting to know about his lineage and if it was ‘tainted with Jewish blood’. If he was a ‘pureblood’ with no Jewish lineage they would allow his books to be published in Germany. (Remember those shameful days?) He answered: “I understand you want to know if I’m from Jewish descent. I can only say that regretfully none of my forebears came from this gifted nation.”

>If he was pained not coming from Jewish descent he would now be pleased to know that he has two Jewish descendants and one of them is an observant Jew who keeps Shabbat and Kosher.

>This descendant that is garnering attention in the media lately is Nicholas Tolkien, a 27 year old playwright and director who produced a play currently being shown called ‘Terezin’ which describes life in the Theresienstadt concentration camp from the eyes of a child.

>Nicholas researched the Theresienstadt concentration camp for 5 years and he also visited there. He describes it as being “full of the ghosts of the past.” The play he wrote about girls in the camo that survived only because of their courageous friendship, is based on stories he heard firsthand from survivors who were children in the camps and on the book “There Are No Butterflies Here” which is a collection of poems and drawings from the children of the Theresienstadt ghetto from 1942-1944.

https://archive.fo/qjFUR

Would Tolkien be proud?

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 No.1876

>>1856

>I half expect that Tolkien's answer to that questionnaire was half out of spite against dirty krauts rather than actual love for jews.

This. Tolkien fucking hated WWII and didn't think that either side was the good guys. He wasn't some crazed philo-semite who frothed at the mouth for the jews like some /pol/tards would have you believe, he was just butthurt about war and hatred in general. He decried propaganda that dehumanized Germans during the war and advocated forgiveness for Germany after the war, and he equated the outcome of the war to Saruman enslaving Sauron and wiping out the actual good guys. Even for his own time, Tolkien was a million times more sane than your average anglo.


 No.1878

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>>1833

Well, Tolkien was a traditional catholic. And before Vatican II, at the mass of the holy friday, there was a prayer :

>"Oremus et pro perfidis Judaeis"

>Which means "Let's pray for the perfidious jews"

So, since he was a traditional catholic and that ALL the catholic tradition is antisemite, his philo-semitism must be nuanced.

Moreover, it's hard to paint yourself as an antisemite when you have Hitler as an interlocutor since :

>"Hitler dishonored antisemitism" Georges Bernanos, catholic writer

Numerous have been those forced to change their antisemistic positions because of Hitler's stupidity. Because Hitler was financed by jews against other jews racially impure (mixed with polish and others), and denouncing Hitler is denouncing jews.


 No.1955

>>1836

I doubt Tolkien believed this kind of nonsense, but plenty of Anglos bought into the idea that they wuz izriuhlites an shit.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Israelism


 No.2019

>>1833

Whatever fondness Tolkien had for the Jews would probably have come from his knowledge of the historical role of Israel in relation to God; Jesus and the disciples as well as most Old Testament saints having been ethnic Jews. However as a Catholic he would have believed that the Israel of God was now found in the Catholic church. While ethnic Jews could perhaps be proud of having been the first ethnic nation God revealed himself to, practicing rabbinical Judaism (which branched off from Pharisaism) would not have been seen positively by him. I'm certain he would not see an Anglo converting to Judaism as a good thing.


 No.2023

How did Christopher fuck up so badly that hos son blandaed upp with a jewess? Was Christopher's divorce from his first wife her fault, or was he just less Catholic than JRR and got tired of her?




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 No.1625[Reply]

A fantasy writer asserts that author J.R.R. Tolkien embedded themes of racism in his eternal classics The Lord of the Ring and The Hobbit by depicting orcs and similar creatures as races of evil, inferior brutes

Author Andy Duncan offered this opinion during an interview on the Wired Magazine podcast ‘Geek’s Guide to the Galaxy.’

“It’s hard to miss the repeated notion in Tolkien that some races are just worse than others, or that some peoples are just worse than others,” Duncan said. “And this seems to me, in the long term — if you embrace this too much, it has dire consequences for yourself and for society.“A lot of these creatures that were raised out of the earth had not a great deal of choice in the matter of what to do,” he added. “I have this very complicated sense of the politics of all that.”

Duncan seemed to draw oblique correlations between the plight of Tolkien’s grotesque villains and the on-going migrant crisis, specifically the situation unfolding at the southern border of the United States.“It is easier to demonize one’s opponents than to try to understand them and to understand the complex forces that are leading to, for example, refugees trying to cross one’s southern border legally or illegally,” Duncan said. “It’s easier to just build walls and demonize them as ‘scum.'

https://archive.is/juOVX

https://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/geeksguide336final.mp3

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 No.1816

>>1625

>race was stated to be outright created by Melkor to be evil

>OY VEY DAS RAYCISS


 No.1957

>>1644

>Soron


 No.2003

>>1644

Are you retarded?

Read letter 30


 No.2020

>>1644

>Soron is of course Satan/YHVH.

Yahweh is the God of Catholicism, although they don't usually use that name for him. Tolkien would not have agreed with your gnostic identification of God the Father with Satan.


 No.2022

>>2020

Well, technically that's the closest we have to His original name, which was lost to history




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 No.1222[Reply]

http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2017/11/15/104426-in-historic-move-christopher-tolkien-resigns-as-director-of-tolkien-estate/

Archive: https://archive.is/hUxdE

This is the beginning of the end. Next they'll push off or make irrelevant the remaining Tolkiens. They'll peck at the Secondary World like vultures. It'll be a grand old time for the fucking kikes.

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 No.1839

Fuck the kikes.

I don't care what they deem canon.

If it wasn't material directly written by Tolkien (directly or indirectly through letters, etc.) I don't care about it.

Shadow of Mordor/War?

Fucking garbage, no thank you.

Extra-kiked shit?

Gas yourself.

Fuck them.


 No.1873

>>1717

>movie series

But the movies removed all of the explicit themes of Aryan supremacy.


 No.1951

>>1873

Yeah but it didn't have a bunch of black cast members like the upcoming TV series.


 No.1958

>>1427

The Jackson Hobbit was terrible. The Rankin Bass Hobbit was good, the Rankin Bass LoTR was bad, and the Jackson LoTR was ok. Baksh LoTR was terrible.


 No.2021

>>1242

>HBO

Wow, how horrible would that be? ASOIAF already had plenty of sex scenes they could have adapted for GoT but that wasn't enough for them, they insisted on shoehorning random tits in all the time just to hold their idiot audience's attention through exposition scenes. And where the books vaguely hinted a character was gay, they threw in graphic gay sex scenes. I hate to think what they would do to Middle-Earth. At least ASOIAF was already somewhat degenerate to begin with.




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 No.1907[Reply]

ayy ulmo

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 No.2002

>>1995

>>1996

If you goof balls would read closely, it states that Eru gave the Dwarves souls same as the other children. Also the Ents contain low level Ainur spirits.


 No.2006

>>2001

Only the line of Durin was believed to be reincarnated.


 No.2016

ayy

ulmo


 No.2017

>>2016

Did Ulmo have pockets? Where did he keep his music shell.


 No.2018

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 No.1060[Reply]

Psst.

Psst, hey Melkor. Yo.

Melkor.

What's in your other hand?

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 No.2011

>>2010

There can be one universe, but multiple dimensions. Hmmm…


 No.2012

>>2010

Considering the sub-creation, is Eru really YHWH reaching down to Tolkien's imagination to enact miracles, like mass-genocide by tectonic activity and pushing midgets in lava?


 No.2013

>>2012

Hello again


 No.2014

Oh fuck fedora tippers are about to derail this thread like they derailed the Elrond thread.


 No.2015

>>2014

Did you even read this over a year old thread? Most of the talk is about pockets, not anything in the OP.




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 No.2004[Reply]

I'm quite curious to what this board's thoughts and comments on the series is. Also things found interesting.

 No.2005

>>2004

You know where the complete set of volumes can be had without spending a fortune? I have PDFs of it, but I couldn't read something like that on my screen.


 No.2007

>>2005

Um, I bought the 2017 edition on Amazon for $167 but I just looked and there now selling for $200.

I found someone selling it for a $134 bear in mind though the paper is incredibly thin on this edition. https://www.abebooks.com/Complete-History-Middle-Earth-Christopher-Tolkien-HarperCollins/22522232221/bd?cm_mmc=gmc-_-new-_-PLA-_-v01&gclid=CjwKCAiA9efgBRAYEiwAUT-jtJF1AElSZKDcAZgsLBSRW7hVb9jHoJAeGYHgNZVXPgeVboiDPcgQthoCLl4QAvD_BwE

If that's to pricey I would dig around on eBay. I can see some used single volumes going for 4 to 10 dollars.


 No.2008

>>2007

I guess 200 isn't that bad since I intend to keep them forever. I did drop some serious cash for this collection

https://www.eastonpress.com/prod/A09/0193/TOLKIEN-S-CLASSICS




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 No.1631[Reply]

Why didn't Beren just ride the eagles to Angband?

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 No.1956

>>1875

>Actually, why didn't Ulmo just take the ring to Valinor and have it unmade in the forges of Aule?

Would that have been possible? I thought it could only be destroyed where it was actually made.


 No.1971

>>1956

Between Aule and all the great craftsmen of the unexiled Noldor, I am completely sure that somebody could have figured out how to melt a little magic gold. Aule must have had access to lava that was at least as hot as what was in Mount Doom.


 No.1973

>>1971

I agree that they should have had the means to destroy the Ring. But in order for that to happen, firstly they would have needed one someone willing to take the Ring to Aman. Secondly the Ring would have to be to possible to moved to Aman. I could see it as too tied to Arda to be removed from it. A thirdly, the smiths at Aman would have needed to be able to destroy the Ring before someone started shit trying to claim it for themselves. Sauron could have boobytrapped it against his ex-master. Or maybe Aulë's own resentment for being such an eternal fuck-up would finally have boiled over and he would have claimed the Ring for himself (and propably remaking it into a better one), becoming Melkor 2.0 except weaker and even more pathetic.


 No.1977

>>1973

The council of Elrond discussed sending it over the sea in a ship, so it was probably possible. And again, Ulmo could have just grabbed it and spirited it over to Valinor during the centuries it was sitting on a riverbed. And I could see the Ring corrupting maybe some of the Noldor, but I doubt if it could have corrupted any of the Valar. Like Tom Bombadil, they should have been beyond the powers of the Ring.


 No.2000

>>1971

>>1973

iirc the Ring was too closely bound to Arda, so it could not travel beyond to Aman.




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 No.1990[Reply]

Let's post and discuss it.

I will begin :

>Melkor can't create life only Eru can really create. Which mean all being depends on God, even the devils being, Melkor only being able to sing his partition God gave him by distorting. Only God being able to create ex nihilo, the mystery of the souls being God's secret.

>Melkor is attracted by the void,… The evil is only void, which comes from traditional theology (the wrong is just a lack of being). I think Tolkien took that from saint Thomas Aquinas. Sins being the fact of being attracted to less being.

>Eru say to Melkor (Satan) he is just making the song that is cosmological history better whith what he think is in opposition. There is no opposition possible to God and his salvation plan, all will be his servant, even against their will.

>Gandalf say he have pity of orc

>inb4 : Tolkien said he didn't made a theological work.

We should not find theological points everywhere in Tolkien's work, that would be abuse as it's not a traditional myth, but we should find good christian moral points like the last I putted. Feel free to post them.

 No.1991

>>1990

>>inb4 : Tolkien said he didn't made a theological work

He said he didn't make an allegorical work


 No.1992

>>1990

You're that one guy from those other threads aren't you?


 No.1994

>>1991

Indeed, and that he didn't think theologically in the first time.

Also the fact he dismissed allegories is quite interesting. Allegories are none traditional subjective and poor symbols. And he was thinking in symbols. That's a big difference between mythological high-quality stories and poor fantasy work. Religion/traditional thinking don't use allegories but symbols. I think it prove his superiority over all others after him.

>>1992

I posted in the thread about Tolkien's opinion on jews.


 No.1999

>>1994

“I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history – true or feigned– with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.”




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 No.1431[Reply]

>lord of dicks

You soyboys will never be as fashy as the warhammerfags. You cucks will never be real men. This frenchise is literally to warhammer what Soytar Wars is for warhammer 40k

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 No.1964

>>1962

>For stating facts

I see you've taken to ban evasion now.


 No.1965

>>1962

>implying grots aren't just small, weedy orks


 No.1966

>>1962

>for stating facts?

Nah, it was for being a surface level normalfag who knows nothing about Tolkien's legendarium


 No.1969

>>1962

>implying /tv/ chads support cuckhammer

Vols are covering for obvious /tg/ raiders.


 No.1972

I just do not understand the appeal of WH. It's too over the top and supremely asinine. I guess it's basically the fantasy equivalent of Family Guy or something like that. And don't even get me started on 40k




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 No.1615[Reply]

Reminder that just because Manwe granted Elrond the fate of elves doesn't make him a real elf.

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 No.1927

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>>1925

And how fertile are mules?


 No.1928

>>1925

You could certainly have picked a better example. Like homo sapiens varieties and other homos.


 No.1929

>>1927

>>1928

I'll leave that for the professionals. ;)


 No.1933

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>>1927

Nothing wrong with being a dog


 No.1963

>>1615

saged and reported for D&C shilling

(USER WAS BANISHED TO /tv/)



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 No.1923[Reply]

Mountain crossing



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