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A wizard is never late. Nor is he early; he arrives precisely when he means to.

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 No.1[Reply]

1. Board is for anything Tolkien related, even if that thing happens to be shitty Hollywood adaptations of books about hobbits. So stuff like /tg/ homebrews is fine as well.

2. No spamming the board.

Feel free to post banners, ideas for quotes for the board announcements, or other stuff you feel goes there.

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 No.2039

What's with all the low effort shitposting in the last few months?




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 No.735[Reply]

ITT: Everyone's got at least one thing they didn't like about the films that they want to complain about.

For once, there is a place where this is exactly what the thread is for.

For me, it was Grond. In the films, it hits the doors of Minas Tirith three times & knocks them down. In the books, it hits it until its carriers are killed by arrows–then the Witch King talks to it and it gets up on its own and smashes the gates so hard both gate and ram explode.

It was extremely vivid in my mind. What I got was utterly forgettable, not worthy of a million orcs chanting its fucking name as it rolls up.

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 No.1776

>>1107

For you.


 No.2115

>>1675

>Having Merry and Pippin trick a being as old as the earth to try to make him fight Sauroman was just stupid.

I didn’t mind so much. JRRT said Treebeard was not as smart as he looked, and it was a way to drive home how out-of-touch the ents were.


 No.2116

>>1675

>battle of the Pelennor fields

Agree completely on all accounts.

In the film it’s a stage set for the heroes to show off.

In the book, it feels like a fucking WAR


 No.2118

for derivative action movies, they were decent, but they did not capture the books.

>>1674

>I've always wanted to see a good film adaption of LOTR. I know many people say that Tolkein just doesn't translate into film, but I would disagree. A good faithful translation of LOTR into film, I think, is very possible, just not finanially. And it likely wont happen until some billionaire Tolkein fan decides that the current Films weren't enough.

I think the best adaptation would be a feature-length animation. something along the lines of a studio ghibli film, but in a style like 1940s Disney.


 No.2119

>>2118

Yeah, animation is the way to go. Btw the 70s animated movies is quite good.




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 No.1586[Reply]

I thought we should have an art thread, so here it is

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 No.2108

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TINUVIEL


 No.2109

>>2103

EOWYN AND THE NAZGUL


 No.2110

>>2109

Thanks for clearing that up.


 No.2111

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Glaurung the dragon says: Incest is most assuredly wincest

artwork by Turner Mohan


 No.2117

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 No.1923[Reply]

Mountain crossing

 No.2114

>>1923

Musta been one helluva climb




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 No.1990[Reply]

Let's post and discuss it.

I will begin :

>Melkor can't create life only Eru can really create. Which mean all being depends on God, even the devils being, Melkor only being able to sing his partition God gave him by distorting. Only God being able to create ex nihilo, the mystery of the souls being God's secret.

>Melkor is attracted by the void,… The evil is only void, which comes from traditional theology (the wrong is just a lack of being). I think Tolkien took that from saint Thomas Aquinas. Sins being the fact of being attracted to less being.

>Eru say to Melkor (Satan) he is just making the song that is cosmological history better whith what he think is in opposition. There is no opposition possible to God and his salvation plan, all will be his servant, even against their will.

>Gandalf say he have pity of orc

>inb4 : Tolkien said he didn't made a theological work.

We should not find theological points everywhere in Tolkien's work, that would be abuse as it's not a traditional myth, but we should find good christian moral points like the last I putted. Feel free to post them.

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 No.1992

>>1990

You're that one guy from those other threads aren't you?


 No.1994

>>1991

Indeed, and that he didn't think theologically in the first time.

Also the fact he dismissed allegories is quite interesting. Allegories are none traditional subjective and poor symbols. And he was thinking in symbols. That's a big difference between mythological high-quality stories and poor fantasy work. Religion/traditional thinking don't use allegories but symbols. I think it prove his superiority over all others after him.

>>1992

I posted in the thread about Tolkien's opinion on jews.


 No.1999

>>1994

“I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history – true or feigned– with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.”


 No.2112

>>1999

>varied applicability to the thought & experience of its readers

This is the keystone of the question of inner meaning in JRRT’s legendarium. None was put in deliberately, with a desire to preach (like say Narnia or Pilgrim’s Progress).

Instead, he stated that he knew these themes were widespread in western literature and should be embraced & contemplated-upon. It is not wrong to say “X symbolizes Y”, only to say “Tolkien meant X to mean Z, so all other evaluations are invalid”.


 No.2113

>Gandalf day he have pity of orc

Don’t forget guys: pitiable ≠ deserving

Being a victim does not entitle one to anything




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 No.1431[Reply]

>lord of dicks

You soyboys will never be as fashy as the warhammerfags. You cucks will never be real men. This frenchise is literally to warhammer what Soytar Wars is for warhammer 40k

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 No.2086

>>2083

The IP is trash.


 No.2090

>>2086

Aw come on, just because it's grimdark and over the top doesn't mean it's bad.


 No.2095

>>1431

>Orcs.

>Literal goblinos embodying the kalergi plan and the evils of the modern world, they are elves who were corrupted into a hideous existance to serve the purposes of a satanic figure.

>Orruks (or whatever geedubs calls them now)

>Just some random swole green monsters lol.


 No.2096

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Clearly the most fascist setting ever.


 No.2102

>>2096

AYO HOL UP




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 No.2004[Reply]

I'm quite curious to what this board's thoughts and comments on the series is. Also things found interesting.

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 No.2007

>>2005

Um, I bought the 2017 edition on Amazon for $167 but I just looked and there now selling for $200.

I found someone selling it for a $134 bear in mind though the paper is incredibly thin on this edition. https://www.abebooks.com/Complete-History-Middle-Earth-Christopher-Tolkien-HarperCollins/22522232221/bd?cm_mmc=gmc-_-new-_-PLA-_-v01&gclid=CjwKCAiA9efgBRAYEiwAUT-jtJF1AElSZKDcAZgsLBSRW7hVb9jHoJAeGYHgNZVXPgeVboiDPcgQthoCLl4QAvD_BwE

If that's to pricey I would dig around on eBay. I can see some used single volumes going for 4 to 10 dollars.


 No.2008

>>2007

I guess 200 isn't that bad since I intend to keep them forever. I did drop some serious cash for this collection

https://www.eastonpress.com/prod/A09/0193/TOLKIEN-S-CLASSICS


 No.2074

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I almost have everything Arda related, just a couple move volumes that are still in the mail.


 No.2100

Real nice collection. How much did you spend on it?


 No.2101

>>2100

Way too much haha, but I'll have them my whole life now so that makes it worth it. Since that pic I got the remaining missing volumes.




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 No.1615[Reply]

Reminder that just because Manwe granted Elrond the fate of elves doesn't make him a real elf.

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 No.1933

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>>1927

Nothing wrong with being a dog


 No.1963

>>1615

saged and reported for D&C shilling

(USER WAS BANISHED TO /tv/)

 No.2068

>>1618

t. Sauron


 No.2092

Why didn't Ilúvatar bitchslap some sense into Morgoth.


 No.2093

>>2092

Ilúvatar made morgoth the way he is for his drama, and every good story needs an antagonist.




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 No.2044[Reply]

Who else played the old Middle Earth Roleplaying Game? Probably my favorite system as it isn't like stupid D&D with hit, lose 20 HP, heal, gain 15 HP. ICE did a pretty good job on the world too. Great maps and good sourcebooks. Adventures were decent. I always liked that they kept everything low fantasy as magic in Middle Earth is super rare.

 No.2045

Never used any of the specifically designed systems, but in my experience I haven't found Middle-earth to work well for roleplaying. There's massive holes pretty much everywhere requiring large doses of OC, but on the other hand the settings tone is strictly defined and fanfiction intrisically required for ttrpgs quickly becomes jarring, especially with players of different levels of familiarity with Tolkien's work. It's easier to use an original setting designed for the kind of game I want from the get-go and just steal the parts I want from Tolkien.


 No.2066

>>2045

It's actually very fun to play. We always stayed away from certain things tho. Like the war of the ring, elves, dwarves and classic fireball magic. We only played as humans or hobbits. You also need a harsh game system like Rolemaster etc. with injuries to make combat hard and punishing. LotR is not suitable for hack n slay. Also travelling was always a big part of the adventures. There are so many source books and adventures that you really don't need to come up with everything.


 No.2080

Post some of the gamebooks, OP.


 No.2084




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 No.1354[Reply]

Happy Yule /arda/ anons, Men, Elves and Dwarves.

May a warm cozy Shire be awaiting you at the end of the cold evening trek through snow white covered fields.

Figured I'd post a Tolkien Christmas related title.

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 No.1359

>>1358

You should have storytimed it


 No.1360

>>1359

I might be able to get the whole letter if I’m careful


 No.1361

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 No.2024

I read these letters for the first time this year. They were really nice. Tolkien seems like a good father. Most people wouldn't have made the effort.


 No.2025

Beautiful.




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 No.1833[Reply]

J.R.R. Tolkien’s Great Grandson Nicholas Tolkien is a Religious Jew

>The famous author J.R.R. Tolkien, author of The Hobbit, the lord of the Rings and more classics was known for his love for the Jews. The Nazi’s sent him a questionnaire wanting to know about his lineage and if it was ‘tainted with Jewish blood’. If he was a ‘pureblood’ with no Jewish lineage they would allow his books to be published in Germany. (Remember those shameful days?) He answered: “I understand you want to know if I’m from Jewish descent. I can only say that regretfully none of my forebears came from this gifted nation.”

>If he was pained not coming from Jewish descent he would now be pleased to know that he has two Jewish descendants and one of them is an observant Jew who keeps Shabbat and Kosher.

>This descendant that is garnering attention in the media lately is Nicholas Tolkien, a 27 year old playwright and director who produced a play currently being shown called ‘Terezin’ which describes life in the Theresienstadt concentration camp from the eyes of a child.

>Nicholas researched the Theresienstadt concentration camp for 5 years and he also visited there. He describes it as being “full of the ghosts of the past.” The play he wrote about girls in the camo that survived only because of their courageous friendship, is based on stories he heard firsthand from survivors who were children in the camps and on the book “There Are No Butterflies Here” which is a collection of poems and drawings from the children of the Theresienstadt ghetto from 1942-1944.

https://archive.fo/qjFUR

Would Tolkien be proud?

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 No.1876

>>1856

>I half expect that Tolkien's answer to that questionnaire was half out of spite against dirty krauts rather than actual love for jews.

This. Tolkien fucking hated WWII and didn't think that either side was the good guys. He wasn't some crazed philo-semite who frothed at the mouth for the jews like some /pol/tards would have you believe, he was just butthurt about war and hatred in general. He decried propaganda that dehumanized Germans during the war and advocated forgiveness for Germany after the war, and he equated the outcome of the war to Saruman enslaving Sauron and wiping out the actual good guys. Even for his own time, Tolkien was a million times more sane than your average anglo.


 No.1878

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>>1833

Well, Tolkien was a traditional catholic. And before Vatican II, at the mass of the holy friday, there was a prayer :

>"Oremus et pro perfidis Judaeis"

>Which means "Let's pray for the perfidious jews"

So, since he was a traditional catholic and that ALL the catholic tradition is antisemite, his philo-semitism must be nuanced.

Moreover, it's hard to paint yourself as an antisemite when you have Hitler as an interlocutor since :

>"Hitler dishonored antisemitism" Georges Bernanos, catholic writer

Numerous have been those forced to change their antisemistic positions because of Hitler's stupidity. Because Hitler was financed by jews against other jews racially impure (mixed with polish and others), and denouncing Hitler is denouncing jews.


 No.1955

>>1836

I doubt Tolkien believed this kind of nonsense, but plenty of Anglos bought into the idea that they wuz izriuhlites an shit.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Israelism


 No.2019

>>1833

Whatever fondness Tolkien had for the Jews would probably have come from his knowledge of the historical role of Israel in relation to God; Jesus and the disciples as well as most Old Testament saints having been ethnic Jews. However as a Catholic he would have believed that the Israel of God was now found in the Catholic church. While ethnic Jews could perhaps be proud of having been the first ethnic nation God revealed himself to, practicing rabbinical Judaism (which branched off from Pharisaism) would not have been seen positively by him. I'm certain he would not see an Anglo converting to Judaism as a good thing.


 No.2023

How did Christopher fuck up so badly that hos son blandaed upp with a jewess? Was Christopher's divorce from his first wife her fault, or was he just less Catholic than JRR and got tired of her?




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 No.1625[Reply]

A fantasy writer asserts that author J.R.R. Tolkien embedded themes of racism in his eternal classics The Lord of the Ring and The Hobbit by depicting orcs and similar creatures as races of evil, inferior brutes

Author Andy Duncan offered this opinion during an interview on the Wired Magazine podcast ‘Geek’s Guide to the Galaxy.’

“It’s hard to miss the repeated notion in Tolkien that some races are just worse than others, or that some peoples are just worse than others,” Duncan said. “And this seems to me, in the long term — if you embrace this too much, it has dire consequences for yourself and for society.“A lot of these creatures that were raised out of the earth had not a great deal of choice in the matter of what to do,” he added. “I have this very complicated sense of the politics of all that.”

Duncan seemed to draw oblique correlations between the plight of Tolkien’s grotesque villains and the on-going migrant crisis, specifically the situation unfolding at the southern border of the United States.“It is easier to demonize one’s opponents than to try to understand them and to understand the complex forces that are leading to, for example, refugees trying to cross one’s southern border legally or illegally,” Duncan said. “It’s easier to just build walls and demonize them as ‘scum.'

https://archive.is/juOVX

https://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/geeksguide336final.mp3

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 No.1816

>>1625

>race was stated to be outright created by Melkor to be evil

>OY VEY DAS RAYCISS


 No.1957

>>1644

>Soron


 No.2003

>>1644

Are you retarded?

Read letter 30


 No.2020

>>1644

>Soron is of course Satan/YHVH.

Yahweh is the God of Catholicism, although they don't usually use that name for him. Tolkien would not have agreed with your gnostic identification of God the Father with Satan.


 No.2022

>>2020

Well, technically that's the closest we have to His original name, which was lost to history




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 No.1222[Reply]

http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2017/11/15/104426-in-historic-move-christopher-tolkien-resigns-as-director-of-tolkien-estate/

Archive: https://archive.is/hUxdE

This is the beginning of the end. Next they'll push off or make irrelevant the remaining Tolkiens. They'll peck at the Secondary World like vultures. It'll be a grand old time for the fucking kikes.

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 No.1839

Fuck the kikes.

I don't care what they deem canon.

If it wasn't material directly written by Tolkien (directly or indirectly through letters, etc.) I don't care about it.

Shadow of Mordor/War?

Fucking garbage, no thank you.

Extra-kiked shit?

Gas yourself.

Fuck them.


 No.1873

>>1717

>movie series

But the movies removed all of the explicit themes of Aryan supremacy.


 No.1951

>>1873

Yeah but it didn't have a bunch of black cast members like the upcoming TV series.


 No.1958

>>1427

The Jackson Hobbit was terrible. The Rankin Bass Hobbit was good, the Rankin Bass LoTR was bad, and the Jackson LoTR was ok. Baksh LoTR was terrible.


 No.2021

>>1242

>HBO

Wow, how horrible would that be? ASOIAF already had plenty of sex scenes they could have adapted for GoT but that wasn't enough for them, they insisted on shoehorning random tits in all the time just to hold their idiot audience's attention through exposition scenes. And where the books vaguely hinted a character was gay, they threw in graphic gay sex scenes. I hate to think what they would do to Middle-Earth. At least ASOIAF was already somewhat degenerate to begin with.




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 No.1907[Reply]

ayy ulmo

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 No.2002

>>1995

>>1996

If you goof balls would read closely, it states that Eru gave the Dwarves souls same as the other children. Also the Ents contain low level Ainur spirits.


 No.2006

>>2001

Only the line of Durin was believed to be reincarnated.


 No.2016

ayy

ulmo


 No.2017

>>2016

Did Ulmo have pockets? Where did he keep his music shell.


 No.2018

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 No.1060[Reply]

Psst.

Psst, hey Melkor. Yo.

Melkor.

What's in your other hand?

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 No.2011

>>2010

There can be one universe, but multiple dimensions. Hmmm…


 No.2012

>>2010

Considering the sub-creation, is Eru really YHWH reaching down to Tolkien's imagination to enact miracles, like mass-genocide by tectonic activity and pushing midgets in lava?


 No.2013

>>2012

Hello again


 No.2014

Oh fuck fedora tippers are about to derail this thread like they derailed the Elrond thread.


 No.2015

>>2014

Did you even read this over a year old thread? Most of the talk is about pockets, not anything in the OP.




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